rushgoober Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 QUOTE (Workaholic Man @ Jun 18 2012, 03:30 AM) QUOTE (rushgoober @ Jun 18 2012, 12:12 AM) Anyone who says differently doesn't want to deal with the truth. More like you can't handle anyone who disagrees with you. FYI, Wikipedia is not the official authority on what is considered an LP or EP. Wikipedia is nothing. Posting some little snippet from Wikipedia is nothing. Ok, well then how about just being able to count? There are tons and tons of groups that have released EP's, and anytime those groups are ever talked about, the EP's are NOT included when discussing how many albums they've released. Suddenly Roadrunner or whomever wants to rewrite history and call an EP an album so the number is nice and even. There are 19. Be stubborn and insist there are 20 if you must, but you're wrong. This is not an opinion. They've made 19 albums. And 1 EP of covers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg2112 Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 QUOTE (Jomboni @ Jun 17 2012, 09:22 PM) The band seems to count Feedback. Right, so its 20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexmai Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Being that VT, S&A and CA are 60+ minutes long, they should count as double albums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jomboni Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 I have LPs from bands with more songs than Feedback, where the album length is still shorter than Feedback, and I consider them full length albums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deslock Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Was discussed at http://www.therushforum.com/index.php?showtopic=74531 IMO, technically Feedback is an EP and not a studio album (aka not an LP). For reference, Primus' 28:18 long "Animals Should Not Try to Act Like People" is generally referred to as an EP, not as a studio album. Of course, the real answer to whether CA is Rush's 19th or 20th studio album is "Who cares?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rushgoober Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 QUOTE (deslock @ Jun 18 2012, 05:23 AM) Was discussed at http://www.therushforum.com/index.php?showtopic=74531 IMO, technically Feedback is an EP and not a studio album (aka not an LP). For reference, Primus' 28:18 long "Animals Should Not Try to Act Like People" is generally referred to as an EP, not as a studio album. Of course, the real answer to whether CA is Rush's 19th or 20th studio album is "Who cares?" Obviously the marketing team at Roadrunner Records cares! But that still doesn't make it the 20th album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lerxster Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 QUOTE (rushgoober @ Jun 18 2012, 07:24 AM) QUOTE (deslock @ Jun 18 2012, 05:23 AM) Was discussed at http://www.therushforum.com/index.php?showtopic=74531 IMO, technically Feedback is an EP and not a studio album (aka not an LP). For reference, Primus' 28:18 long "Animals Should Not Try to Act Like People" is generally referred to as an EP, not as a studio album. Of course, the real answer to whether CA is Rush's 19th or 20th studio album is "Who cares?" Obviously the marketing team at Roadrunner Records cares! But that still doesn't make it the 20th album. Except, Rush call it their 20th studio album. Who are we going to believe.. Rush or you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Principled Man Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 QUOTE (rushgoober @ Jun 18 2012, 05:33 AM)There are 19. Be stubborn and insist there are 20 if you must, but you're wrong. This is not an opinion. They've made 19 albums. And 1 EP of covers. It's not about being stubborn. It's about facts. It is a fact that there is no official consensus on what constitutes an EP. It is a fact that there are no official time lengths for EP's. Different people have different definitions. What you call an EP is not what I call an EP, which is not what Rush or Billboard or the British charts call an EP. There is no Final Answer. Call it an EP if you like, but it's just your opinion - not a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionDetector Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 QUOTE (losingit2k @ Jun 17 2012, 11:11 PM) If and everyone else in the media is calling it there 20th studio album, I'm jumping on the same bandwagon! There's a surprise... Nope, to me Feedback does not count. When I think studio albums, I think original material. It was a covers EP, and I wouldn't count it IMO. Still waiting for their 20th... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lerxster Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionDetector Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 QUOTE (Lerxster @ Jun 18 2012, 08:59 AM) QUOTE (rushgoober @ Jun 18 2012, 07:24 AM) QUOTE (deslock @ Jun 18 2012, 05:23 AM) Was discussed at http://www.therushforum.com/index.php?showtopic=74531 IMO, technically Feedback is an EP and not a studio album (aka not an LP). For reference, Primus' 28:18 long "Animals Should Not Try to Act Like People" is generally referred to as an EP, not as a studio album. Of course, the real answer to whether CA is Rush's 19th or 20th studio album is "Who cares?" Obviously the marketing team at Roadrunner Records cares! But that still doesn't make it the 20th album. Except, Rush call it their 20th studio album. Who are we going to believe.. Rush or you? Yeah...but why are they calling it their 20th? Simple. It's a selling ploy. It sounds fantastic to be able to say 20th in the media, and all of the banners and such for CA. It's got a nice ring to it. Either way, I don't care. We will all disagree. Some consider Feedback, and others don't. I definitely don't. Feedback to me, is just a side-project for the band. Like I said before, if you recall back in 2004, Geddy stated that they wanted to go on tour for their 30th Anniversary, but "felt bad" going on tour without anything to 'support', so they decided to throw together this mini-EP of covers. To me, that sounds like a side project (similar to a solo album), and nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shredder2 Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Screw what it says! I don't count Feedback! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lerxster Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 QUOTE (EmotionDetector @ Jun 18 2012, 08:39 AM) QUOTE (Lerxster @ Jun 18 2012, 08:59 AM) QUOTE (rushgoober @ Jun 18 2012, 07:24 AM) QUOTE (deslock @ Jun 18 2012, 05:23 AM) Was discussed at http://www.therushforum.com/index.php?showtopic=74531 IMO, technically Feedback is an EP and not a studio album (aka not an LP). For reference, Primus' 28:18 long "Animals Should Not Try to Act Like People" is generally referred to as an EP, not as a studio album. Of course, the real answer to whether CA is Rush's 19th or 20th studio album is "Who cares?" Obviously the marketing team at Roadrunner Records cares! But that still doesn't make it the 20th album. Except, Rush call it their 20th studio album. Who are we going to believe.. Rush or you? Yeah...but why are they calling it their 20th? Simple. It's a selling ploy. It sounds fantastic to be able to say 20th in the media, and all of the banners and such for CA. It's got a nice ring to it. Either way, I don't care. We will all disagree. Some consider Feedback, and others don't. I definitely don't. Feedback to me, is just a side-project for the band. Like I said before, if you recall back in 2004, Geddy stated that they wanted to go on tour for their 30th Anniversary, but "felt bad" going on tour without anything to 'support', so they decided to throw together this mini-EP of covers. To me, that sounds like a side project (similar to a solo album), and nothing more. It could be a shrewd marketing ploy. RR research determined more people will buy a band's 20th album over their 19th album But, it could just be their 20th studio album. The world may never know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormtron Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 I don't count Feedback either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Not Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EveryNerveAware Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 QUOTE (Lerxster @ Jun 18 2012, 08:54 AM)The world may never know http://www.rlnaquin.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/tootsie+pop.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Owl Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 It's all semantics... but the way I see it: 20th studio album= 20Th full legnth LP= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jomboni Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Hey, Garden Road & Fancy Dancer were recorded in a studio right? I guess this is album #21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBluePhoenix Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 I don't count Feedback simply because it's not original material. When you talk about the bands creativity, an album of covers is just not relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionDetector Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 QUOTE (Jomboni @ Jun 18 2012, 10:10 AM) Hey, Garden Road & Fancy Dancer were recorded in a studio right? I guess this is album #21 Compilations are chalk-full of studio-recorded songs too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionDetector Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 QUOTE (TheBluePhoenix @ Jun 18 2012, 10:13 AM) I don't count Feedback simply because it's not original material. When you talk about the bands creativity, an album of covers is just not relevant. You got it...that's exactly my stance on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ged Lent's sis Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Yeah, it's not original material, so I guess it's not an album, then. And "RUSH" doesn't have Peart on it, so that doesn't count. And, my god, Roll the Bones!? That ain' no album! Not to mention Test for Echo and the one with a bunny on the cover. So I guess that Clockwork 'd be their 12th studio album, simply 'cuz'n I say so (there were two others that don't count that I decided not to mention). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Principled Man Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 QUOTE (The Owl @ Jun 18 2012, 09:06 AM) It's all semantics... but the way I see it: 20th studio album= 20Th full legnth LP= I agree with this. The word "album" simply means a collection of songs, photos, videos, etc. There is no minimum or maximum number of items in an album, just like there is no requirement that the songs be original. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jomboni Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 QUOTE (Workaholic Man @ Jun 18 2012, 10:23 AM) QUOTE (The Owl @ Jun 18 2012, 09:06 AM) It's all semantics... but the way I see it: 20th studio album= 20Th full legnth LP= I agree with this. The word "album" simply means a collection of songs, photos, videos, etc. There is no minimum or maximum number of items in an album, just like there is no requirement that the songs be original. end of thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
circumstantial tree Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 19th studio album of original material composed and written by Lee, Lifeson, and Peart. Case closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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