Wow! Neil Peart Copied Paul Simon! "The Sound Of

[RUSHHEAD666]

Wow you guys!! Has this ever been discussed on The Rush Forum yet after all of these years????

 

I was at my local used record store as usual going through all the used cd bins as they were playing "The Sound Of Silence."

 

For some reason my brain picked up on the last part of the song and the lyrical content hit a nerve!!

 

Check this shit out my fellow Rush fans!!

 

Did Neil rip off Paul Simon or is it merely a homage or coincidence?

 

 

"The Sound Of Silence"

 

"And the sign said, the words of the prophets are written on the subway walls

And the tenement halls. And whispered in the sounds of silence."

 

"Sprit Of Radio"

 

"For the words of the prophets were written on the studio wall, concert hall.

And echoes with the sounds of salesmen. Of salesmen. Of salesmen."

 

WTF??????

 

 

Edited June 13, 2012 by RUSHHEAD666

[MMCXII]

Edited June 13, 2012 by MMCXII

[treeduck]

QUOTE (RUSHHEAD666 @ Jun 13 2012, 04:47 AM)

Wow you guys!! Has this ever been discussed on The Rush Forum yet after all of these years???? I was at my local used record store as usual going through all the used cd bins as they were playing "The Sound Of Silence." For some reason my brain picked up on the last part of the song and the lyrical content hit a nerve!! Check this shit out my fellow Rush fans!! Did Neil rip off Paul Simon or is it merely a homage or coincidence? "The Sound Of Silence" "And the sign said, the words of the prophets are written on the subway walls And the tenement halls. And whispered in the sounds of silence." "Sprit Of Radio" "For the words of the prophets were written on the studio wall, concert hall. And echoes with the sounds of salesmen. Of salesmen. Of salesmen." WTF??????

Paul needed some beefing up in the riff department...

 

[laughedatbytime]

S&G--more metal than S&A.

 

[Gompers]

QUOTE (RUSHHEAD666 @ Jun 13 2012, 05:47 AM)

Wow you guys!! Has this ever been discussed on The Rush Forum yet after all of these years???? I was at my local used record store as usual going through all the used cd bins as they were playing "The Sound Of Silence." For some reason my brain picked up on the last part of the song and the lyrical content hit a nerve!! Check this shit out my fellow Rush fans!! Did Neil rip off Paul Simon or is it merely a homage or coincidence? "The Sound Of Silence" "And the sign said, the words of the prophets are written on the subway walls And the tenement halls. And whispered in the sounds of silence." "Sprit Of Radio" "For the words of the prophets were written on the studio wall, concert hall. And echoes with the sounds of salesmen. Of salesmen. Of salesmen." WTF??????

Silly RUSHHEAD...of course every seasoned Rush fan knows about this. Especially us old-timers.

[vitalsigns318]

QUOTE (RUSHHEAD666 @ Jun 13 2012, 04:47 AM)

Wow you guys!!  Has this ever been discussed on The Rush Forum yet after all of these years???? I was at my local used record store as usual going through all the used cd bins as they were playing "The Sound Of Silence." For some reason my brain picked up on the last part of the song and the lyrical content hit a nerve!! Check this shit out my fellow Rush fans!! Did Neil rip off Paul Simon or is it merely a homage or coincidence? "The Sound Of Silence" "And the sign said, the words of the prophets are written on the subway walls And the tenement halls.  And whispered in the sounds of silence." "Sprit Of Radio" "For the words of the prophets were written on the studio wall, concert hall. And echoes with the sounds of salesmen.  Of salesmen.  Of salesmen." WTF??????

He does the same thing with Shakespeare and many other writers. It's called transformativeness and it's perfectly legal to incorporate one art form into another as long as the context is new.

Edited June 13, 2012 by vitalsigns318

[gudbuytjane]

Just wait 'til you read Samuel Taylor Coleridge's Kubla Khan.

 

QUOTE (vitalsigns318 @ Jun 13 2012, 07:26 AM)

He does the same thing with Shakespeare and many other writers. It's called transformativeness and it's perfectly legal to incorporate one art form into another as long as the context is new.

 

Yeah, and in the case of TSoR, it is an intentional reference to TSoS. I've always felt it was a great contrast to take the idealistic lyrics of Paul Simon from 1966 and turn them over into a statement on how cynical the music industry had become by 1979/80.

 

-Jane

 

[vitalsigns318]

QUOTE (gudbuytjane @ Jun 13 2012, 08:01 AM)

Just wait 'til you read Samuel Taylor Coleridge's Kubla Khan. QUOTE (vitalsigns318 @ Jun 13 2012, 07:26 AM) He does the same thing with Shakespeare and many other writers. It's called transformativeness and it's perfectly legal to incorporate one art form into another as long as the context is new.   Yeah, and in the case of TSoR, it is an intentional reference to TSoS. I've always felt it was a great contrast to take the idealistic lyrics of Paul Simon from 1966 and turn them over into a statement on how cynical the music industry had become by 1979/80.   -Jane I came across that poem when I was a senior in high school in 1992 and it really brightened my day to find a Neil Peart reference in my English class.

[Union 5-3992]

This is old news to me. Thanks Guitar Hero 5!

[Digital Man]

The original was from the Bible, a burning finger wrote on a wall.

 

Hence the saying: :The (hand)writing is on the wall"

 

It's an old, old reference and they both borrowed and tweaked it to fit their lyrics.

[Czarcasm]

There are still people out there who didn't know this?

[Ancient Ways]

Are you serious? I also hear he used to be into Ayn Rand and may have some references to her work in some songs.

[beherit]

ha!

[Sword and Armor]

QUOTE (Gompers @ Jun 13 2012, 06:23 AM)

QUOTE (RUSHHEAD666 @ Jun 13 2012, 05:47 AM) Wow you guys!!  Has this ever been discussed on The Rush Forum yet after all of these years???? I was at my local used record store as usual going through all the used cd bins as they were playing "The Sound Of Silence." For some reason my brain picked up on the last part of the song and the lyrical content hit a nerve!! Check this shit out my fellow Rush fans!! Did Neil rip off Paul Simon or is it merely a homage or coincidence? "The Sound Of Silence" "And the sign said, the words of the prophets are written on the subway walls And the tenement halls.  And whispered in the sounds of silence." "Sprit Of Radio" "For the words of the prophets were written on the studio wall, concert hall. And echoes with the sounds of salesmen.  Of salesmen.  Of salesmen." WTF?????? Silly RUSHHEAD...of course every seasoned Rush fan knows about this. Especially us old-timers.

[Sword and Armor]

QUOTE (Ancient Ways @ Jun 13 2012, 05:54 PM)

Are you serious? I also hear he used to be into Ayn Rand and may have some references to her work in some songs.

Stop it!!! That CAN'T be possible!!!!!

 

You mean that Neil wrote a song (or epic) about a totalitarian society run by autocratic leaders that decided everything for the people?????

 

I'm in shock.....

 

[beherit]

QUOTE (Sword and Armor @ Jun 13 2012, 07:56 PM)

QUOTE (Ancient Ways @ Jun 13 2012, 05:54 PM) Are you serious?  I also hear he used to be into Ayn Rand and may have some references to her work in some songs. Stop it!!! That CAN'T be possible!!!!!   You mean that Neil wrote a song (or epic) about a totalitarian society run by autocratic leaders that decided everything for the people?????   I'm in shock.....   In all fairness, he could be "ripping off" Orwell/Huxley/etc

[Sword and Armor]

[RUSHHEAD666]

QUOTE (Gompers @ Jun 13 2012, 04:23 AM)

QUOTE (RUSHHEAD666 @ Jun 13 2012, 05:47 AM) Wow you guys!!  Has this ever been discussed on The Rush Forum yet after all of these years???? I was at my local used record store as usual going through all the used cd bins as they were playing "The Sound Of Silence." For some reason my brain picked up on the last part of the song and the lyrical content hit a nerve!! Check this shit out my fellow Rush fans!! Did Neil rip off Paul Simon or is it merely a homage or coincidence? "The Sound Of Silence" "And the sign said, the words of the prophets are written on the subway walls And the tenement halls.  And whispered in the sounds of silence." "Sprit Of Radio" "For the words of the prophets were written on the studio wall, concert hall. And echoes with the sounds of salesmen.  Of salesmen.  Of salesmen." WTF?????? Silly RUSHHEAD...of course every seasoned Rush fan knows about this. Especially us old-timers. Geezus Gomps!!! I'm a seasoned Rush Veteran too but it looks like I have to go back to Rush School!!!   My brain is wired for the music first. Sadly I don't pay much attention to lyrics. I will try to change that moving forward but being a drummer I seem to simply tune out the vocals and follow the instruments!!   I guess I was sort of stating the obvious with this thread!!   Shit I'm 44 now and I've been into Rush since 1981 yet I still learn something new about this band. Even if it is old news to many of you!   RUSH ON!

[RUSHHEAD666]

QUOTE (Ancient Ways @ Jun 13 2012, 03:54 PM)

Are you serious? I also hear he used to be into Ayn Rand and may have some references to her work in some songs.

Very funny.

[RUSHHEAD666]

QUOTE (Digital Man @ Jun 13 2012, 09:32 AM)

The original was from the Bible, a burning finger wrote on a wall. Hence the saying: :The (hand)writing is on the wall" It's an old, old reference and they both borrowed and tweaked it to fit their lyrics.

I never knew that either.

[troutman]

When the tune came out,

 

It's the first thing I thought of.

[RUSHHEAD666]

QUOTE (troutman @ Jun 13 2012, 07:17 PM)

When the tune came out, It's the first thing I thought of.

Haha! But you are the Troutman! You are at one with nature!

 

I am a "New World Man!"

 

Shit goes over my head.

 

Signed,

 

RUSHHEAD

 

How's it going stranger?

 

Hope all is well up there in Alaska!!!

 

Catch any salmon lately?

[treeduck]

I heard that the Beverly Hills police once arrested Neil for being drunk and disorderly. He was said to be naked except for flippers and was waving a southern cross bandana and singing L.A Woman in a high tenor...

 

[goose]

Hey, a couple ofdays ago I started a thread for this very kind of thing!

 

I called it "Neil, Inspired"

 

http://www.therushforum.com/index.php?showtopic=74742

[Tony R]

QUOTE (RUSHHEAD666 @ Jun 13 2012, 10:47 AM)

Wow you guys!! Has this ever been discussed on The Rush Forum yet after all of these years???? I was at my local used record store as usual going through all the used cd bins as they were playing "The Sound Of Silence." For some reason my brain picked up on the last part of the song and the lyrical content hit a nerve!! Check this shit out my fellow Rush fans!! Did Neil rip off Paul Simon or is it merely a homage or coincidence? "The Sound Of Silence" "And the sign said, the words of the prophets are written on the subway walls And the tenement halls. And whispered in the sounds of silence." "Sprit Of Radio" "For the words of the prophets were written on the studio wall, concert hall. And echoes with the sounds of salesmen. Of salesmen. Of salesmen." WTF??????

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