kevorkazito Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Yesterday was the 35th anniversary of Rush's ATWAS stop in my city. I wasn't there but my friend who was told me about Alex breaking strings. Alex broke a lot of strings then and my friend then told me that the Working Man solo's in ATWAS were dubbed-in later because of a broken string during the recording. As we know, there were three shows in June 1976 and the the version of Working Man with the broken string had to be used as it sounded the best. So Alex was forced to over-dub the solos. I've been into Rush since 1979 and I never knew that tid-bit. Anyone else surprised? One of my favorite things about Alex's playing is how hard he bites into his strings when he solos. When I play I use Dunlop nylon .60mm picks and could kinda get it. What brand of picks does Alex use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReRushed Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Surprised? Not at all. It's a very common and acceptable practice. He simply killed the "Working Man" solo on the Time Machine Tour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilbertk Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 QUOTE (ReRushed @ Oct 18 2011, 02:38 PM) Surprised? Not at all. It's a very common and acceptable practice. He simply killed the "Working Man" solo on the Time Machine Tour. He certainly did! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevorkazito Posted October 18, 2011 Author Share Posted October 18, 2011 Any other notable over-duds in ATWAS that anyone is aware of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastille Dave Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 I didnt know that but I'm not surprised at all. Virtually every live album from back in the day had overdubs on them, some more than others. That is why I'm such a big fan of bootlegs of FM recordings, KBFH shows, and audience recordings. What they play is what you hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 QUOTE (Bastille Dave @ Oct 18 2011, 05:49 PM) I didnt know that but I'm not surprised at all. Virtually every live album from back in the day had overdubs on them, some more than others. That is why I'm such a big fan of bootlegs of FM recordings, KBFH shows, and audience recordings. What they play is what you hear. One reason I love Queen's "Live Killers" album - no dubs. Pretty much all live efforts have dubs, though. Maiden Japan says it well, "Who gives a *&%!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevorkazito Posted October 19, 2011 Author Share Posted October 19, 2011 QUOTE (Bastille Dave @ Oct 18 2011, 05:49 PM)I didnt know that but I'm not surprised at all. Virtually every live album from back in the day had overdubs on them, some more than others. That is why I'm such a big fan of bootlegs of FM recordings, KBFH shows, and audience recordings. What they play is what you hear. KISS Alive is another of my favorite 'live' albums that, according to Eddie Kramer, was totally redone except for the drums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlameCanada Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 QUOTE (kevorkazito @ Oct 18 2011, 03:14 PM)When I play I use Dunlop nylon .60mm picks and could kinda get it. What brand of picks does Alex use? The only thing I recall reading about his picks is from the 1980 Guitar player Magazine interview: QUOTE I like white nylon ones made by Kay [3057 N. Rockwell Ave., Chicago, IL 60618]. They're about equal in thickness to Fender mediums. More currently, see 11:10 of this video of his TM rig rundown (Dunlop mediums): I'm sure with enough searching on the web, one could find what kind of socks he wore on each tour as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBob Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Dude, I love Live Killers!! What about Different Stages was there any overdubs cause that is sweet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 QUOTE (BigBob @ Oct 20 2011, 07:41 AM) Dude, I love Live Killers!! What about Different Stages was there any overdubs cause that is sweet! for Killers. Not sure about DS, but I'm guessing it's doctored, esp for vocals(?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Lerxst Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 From what I recall seeing written in various locations, a large portion of ESL is also overdubbed. Limelight from that footage strikes me as sounding "too good". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druid13 Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Somewhere....I think its during 2112 Neil breaks a snare...or should I say the connecting strap holding on his snares broke...leaving him with a tom sounding snare for awhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sco703 Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Shouldn't a live album sound 'live'? I mean, what's the point of a live album if it's going to sound just like a studio recording? I think it should be natural. If I want to hear perfect interpretations of the songs I'll listen to the studio versions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevorkazito Posted October 20, 2011 Author Share Posted October 20, 2011 QUOTE More currently, see 11:10 of this video of his TM rig rundown (Dunlop mediums): I remember that GP... wearing the rose colored shirt... Thanks for the link... I think that's where I am at by using the nylon Dunlops at .60mm( the gray ones). I have to get one of his actual used in show picks... you never know the veracity of claims when you see them on eBay. Now I know what the Time Machine ones look like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 ESL is more of a studio album than a live album,there's loadsa overdubs on it....still great tho' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 of the 7 Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (BlameCanada @ Oct 20 2011, 07:13 AM) I'm sure with enough searching on the web, one could find what kind of socks he wore on each tour as well... In one pic of Alex from the Time Machine tour, I could swear he was wearing the Rush socks they sold during the tour I guess it's cool if they like their merch well enough to wear it themselves! I love old pics of Geddy where he's wearing Rush tees...makes me smile Edited October 21, 2011 by 1 of the 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaminbenb Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 I don't think ATWAS was overdubbed that much...I think I remember reading that they fixed an out of tune note here and there....ESL was pretty much ALL overdubbed! And like someone else said it sounded like they recorded it live in a studio! I think they tried to overcompensate for the RAW sound of ATWAS by making ESL a little more "warm" I can't stand the sound of ASOH! I think they finally got the "live" sound rounded out on Different Stages and after! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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