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The original line-up formed in summer 1968, consisting of Jeff Jones on bass and lead vocals, Alex Lifeson on guitars, and John Rutsey on drums. In September 1968 (and before they had even played their first gig), Jones was replaced by Geddy Lee, a schoolmate of Lifeson

 

I've read this before, but never tried to confirm the info until now.

 

But is anyone else aware that the origional Rush line up was

 

Alex Lifeson

Jeff Jones

John Rutsey

 

 

 

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Not only was Jeff Jones the original bassist, but Rush has had a total of three different bassists!

 

Geddy Lee was kicked out at one point and replaced by Joe Perna!

 

And let's also not forget that Rush was a four-piece band on two seperate occassions before 1974! Lindy Young was a keyboardist / 2nd guitarist for a while, and Mitch Bossi was also a 2nd guitarist...

 

Here is a quote from http://www.excelcier.com/history.html outlining the early history of Rush...

 

 

 

SPRING.. 1968 - 'RUSH' was born.

- Alex Lifeson (Guitarist), John Rutsey (On the Drums),

and Jeff Jones (Bass guitar, Vox) formed 'Rush'.

- The band's name came from an idea by John's older brother

Bill that spring.

 

 

SEPTEMBER 1968 - Geddy Lee joined 'Rush' as Bassist.

- Jeff Jones is asked to leave the band.

 

 

CHRISTMAS DAY 1968 - Lindy Young joins Rush as a keyboardist and backup on guitar.

Band now consists of: Alex Lifeson Geddy Lee

John Rutsey Lindy Young

 

 

MAY 1969 - Geddy Lee is kicked out of the band by John Rutsey and

company.

- They change their name from 'Rush' to 'Hadrian'.

- Ray Danniels becomes the band's first manager.

- Joe Perna joins the band to replace Geddy. The band now

consists of: Alex Lifeson Lindy Young

John Rutsey Joe Perna

 

 

JUNE 1969 - Geddy Lee joined a rythm & blues band called Ogilvie whom

later changed it's name to Judd.

- Ray Danniels also managed Geddy Lee's band, 'Judd'.

 

 

JULY 1969 - Lindy Young quits 'Hadrian', and Joe persues other

interests.

- 'Hadrian' is disbanded leaving Alex and John on their own.

 

 

SEPTEMBER 1969 - Geddy Lee's band 'Judd' breaks up.

- Alex calls Geddy and 'Rush' is re-born.

- There is now: John Rutsey (Drums) - Headlines the band

Alex Lifeson (Guitarist)

Geddy Lee (Bass Guitar, Vox)

 

 

1970 - 'Rush' begins avidly playing in bars around Toronto.

- Ray Danniels becomes a full time manager with the band.

 

 

FEBRUARY 1971 - Mitch Bossi joined the band as a backup guitarist, but

his stay was short and was kicked out after a few months.

 

 

1971 - 1972 - 'Rush' begins playing in other cities at highschools

outside of Toronto. They performed in Sudbury,

North Bay, Cochrane, Kirkland Lake, London, Deep River,

and Windsor Ontario.

 

 

LATE 1972 - The band made their first amateur recording in a primative

studio at Rochdale College in Toronto.

- Bill Bryant produced a two track recording with Rush in

a garage like facility called Sound Horn.

 

 

EARLY 1973 - Vic Wilson became a joint manager for Rush.

 

 

SUMMER 1973 - Rush's first single is recorded.

- Produced by David Stock at Easter Sound Studios in

Toronto.

- Recorded under Moon Records Lable.

- Songs Recorded: Not Fade Away

You Can't fight It (B-side)

 

 

LATE 1973 - Rush performed for the first time outside of Canada in

Lansing Michigan for a crowd of 3000 people.

 

 

JANUARY 1974 - Rush's first album is recorded.

- Produced by Terry Brown at Toronto Sound Studios.

- Album title: RUSH

- Recorded under Moon Records Lable.

- In Canada original album cover was Red.

- Released: January 1974 (3500 copies)

 

 

JUNE 1974 - Ira Blacker became a United States manager which ended

in a dispute costing Rush $250 000 a few years later.

 

 

JULY 1974 - John Rutsey quits the band just before Rush's first

concert tour in early August.

- Howard Ungerleider becomes Rush's first road manager.

 

 

JULY 29, 1974 - Neil Pert joins Rush as their new drummer on Geddy Lee's

birthday.

- Neil had been previously playing in a band called Hush;

kind of ironic since Neil was probably the loudest

drummer around.

 

 

AUGUST 1974 - Rush's first album is re-recorded and re-released.

- The album cover is changed to Pink.

- Recorded under Mercury Records lable.

 

 

AUG. 14, 1974 - The band's first 5 month tour begins in Pittsburgh

Pennsylvania.

- This is Neil's first time ever playing on stage with the

band. His debut with the band was in front of 11,642

people at the Civic Arena in Pittsburgh.

It was a hit!!

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Wow, never knew Ged was kicked out of the band! Very interesting stuff, especially since Ged and Alex seem to be such great pals.

 

Anyway, to me, the band really became 2.gif when Neil joined them. To me, they were not 2.gif before then, even though that was their name.

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QUOTE (R30Chris @ Sep 9 2007, 03:59 AM)
If I recall correctly, Geddy was called to fill in for a gig (I guess their first one) because the bassist suffered some injury. The rest is history.

Oh sweet injury!!!

Chris

I didn't know that Geddy knew Tonya Harding... laugh.gif

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QUOTE (The Owl @ Sep 9 2007, 12:50 AM)
QUOTE ( wikipedia)
The original line-up formed in summer 1968, consisting of Jeff Jones on bass and lead vocals, Alex Lifeson on guitars, and John Rutsey on drums. In September 1968 (and before they had even played their first gig), Jones was replaced by Geddy Lee, a schoolmate of Lifeson

 

I've read this before, but never tried to confirm the info until now.

 

But is anyone else aware that the origional Rush line up was

 

Alex Lifeson

Jeff Jones

John Rutsey

Read Chapter 1 and Chapter 2 of Rush Visions, an excellent out-of-print biography released in 1988. On a side note, the band cut off the author (a huge Rush fan whom they had befriended). Rumor has it he played one of their albums on the radio before it was released and without their permission. Nonetheless, I recommend picking up this bio used.

 

From it, you can see that the http://www.excelcier.com/history.html timeline has several some mistakes/typos:

  • It says Alex Lifeson was born in 1966, but he was born in 1953
  • Rush was formed/named in Summer of 1968 (not Spring)
  • Their first album was recorded 1973 and was supposed to be released that December. It was postponed until Jan 1974 because of the oil crisis (the petroleum shortage affect the release of vinyl records)
  • They did not re-record their first album after Neil Peart joined the band
I only skimmed the rest of that webpage, so I dunno if there are more errors.
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QUOTE (deslock @ Sep 10 2007, 08:59 PM)
QUOTE (The Owl @ Sep 9 2007, 12:50 AM)
QUOTE ( wikipedia)
The original line-up formed in summer 1968, consisting of Jeff Jones on bass and lead vocals, Alex Lifeson on guitars, and John Rutsey on drums. In September 1968 (and before they had even played their first gig), Jones was replaced by Geddy Lee, a schoolmate of Lifeson

 

I've read this before, but never tried to confirm the info until now.

 

But is anyone else aware that the origional Rush line up was

 

Alex Lifeson

Jeff Jones

John Rutsey

Read Chapter 1 and Chapter 2 of Rush Visions, an excellent out-of-print biography released in 1988. On a side note, the band cut off the author (a huge Rush fan whom they had befriended). Rumor has it he played one of their albums on the radio before it was released and without their permission. Nonetheless, I recommend picking up this bio used.

 

From it, you can see that the http://www.excelcier.com/history.html timeline has several some mistakes/typos:

  • It says Alex Lifeson was born in 1966, but he was born in 1953
  • Rush was formed/named in Summer of 1968 (not Spring)
  • Their first album was recorded 1973 and was supposed to be released that December. It was postponed until Jan 1974 because of the oil crisis (the petroleum shortage affect the release of vinyl records)
  • They did not re-record their first album after Neil Peart joined the band
I only skimmed the rest of that webpage, so I dunno if there are more errors.

I noticed this too:

 

QUOTE
AUGUST 1974 - Rush's first album is re-recorded and re-released.
- The album cover is changed to Pink.
- Recorded under Mercury Records lable.

 

That would indicate that Peart did the "re-recording."

 

It may have been polished up, but it was not re-recorded. More likely, this is the timing of the label switch.

 

Thanks for the tip about "Rush Visions." That's actually the first I have heard of that one.

 

 

 

 

 

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QUOTE (rushbass @ Sep 9 2007, 11:56 AM)
Not only was Jeff Jones the original bassist, but Rush has had a total of three different bassists!

Geddy Lee was kicked out at one point and replaced by Joe Perna!

And let's also not forget that Rush was a four-piece band on two seperate occassions before 1974! Lindy Young was a keyboardist / 2nd guitarist for a while, and Mitch Bossi was also a 2nd guitarist...

Here is a quote from http://www.excelcier.com/history.html outlining the early history of Rush...



SPRING.. 1968 - 'RUSH' was born.
- Alex Lifeson (Guitarist), John Rutsey (On the Drums),
and Jeff Jones (Bass guitar, Vox) formed 'Rush'.
- The band's name came from an idea by John's older brother
Bill that spring.


SEPTEMBER 1968 - Geddy Lee joined 'Rush' as Bassist.
- Jeff Jones is asked to leave the band.


CHRISTMAS DAY 1968 - Lindy Young joins Rush as a keyboardist and backup on guitar.
Band now consists of: Alex Lifeson Geddy Lee
John Rutsey Lindy Young


MAY 1969 - Geddy Lee is kicked out of the band by John Rutsey and
company.
- They change their name from 'Rush' to 'Hadrian'.
- Ray Danniels becomes the band's first manager.
- Joe Perna joins the band to replace Geddy. The band now
consists of: Alex Lifeson Lindy Young
John Rutsey Joe Perna


JUNE 1969 - Geddy Lee joined a rythm & blues band called Ogilvie whom
later changed it's name to Judd.
- Ray Danniels also managed Geddy Lee's band, 'Judd'.


JULY 1969 - Lindy Young quits 'Hadrian', and Joe persues other
interests.
- 'Hadrian' is disbanded leaving Alex and John on their own.


SEPTEMBER 1969 - Geddy Lee's band 'Judd' breaks up.
- Alex calls Geddy and 'Rush' is re-born.
- There is now: John Rutsey (Drums) - Headlines the band
Alex Lifeson (Guitarist)
Geddy Lee (Bass Guitar, Vox)


1970 - 'Rush' begins avidly playing in bars around Toronto.
- Ray Danniels becomes a full time manager with the band.


FEBRUARY 1971 - Mitch Bossi joined the band as a backup guitarist, but
his stay was short and was kicked out after a few months.


1971 - 1972 - 'Rush' begins playing in other cities at highschools
outside of Toronto. They performed in Sudbury,
North Bay, Cochrane, Kirkland Lake, London, Deep River,
and Windsor Ontario.


LATE 1972 - The band made their first amateur recording in a primative
studio at Rochdale College in Toronto.
- Bill Bryant produced a two track recording with Rush in
a garage like facility called Sound Horn.


EARLY 1973 - Vic Wilson became a joint manager for Rush.


SUMMER 1973 - Rush's first single is recorded.
- Produced by David Stock at Easter Sound Studios in
Toronto.
- Recorded under Moon Records Lable.
- Songs Recorded: Not Fade Away
You Can't fight It (B-side)


LATE 1973 - Rush performed for the first time outside of Canada in
Lansing Michigan for a crowd of 3000 people.


JANUARY 1974 - Rush's first album is recorded.
- Produced by Terry Brown at Toronto Sound Studios.
- Album title: RUSH
- Recorded under Moon Records Lable.
- In Canada original album cover was Red.
- Released: January 1974 (3500 copies)


JUNE 1974 - Ira Blacker became a United States manager which ended
in a dispute costing Rush $250 000 a few years later.


JULY 1974 - John Rutsey quits the band just before Rush's first
concert tour in early August.
- Howard Ungerleider becomes Rush's first road manager.


JULY 29, 1974 - Neil Pert joins Rush as their new drummer on Geddy Lee's
birthday.
- Neil had been previously playing in a band called Hush;
kind of ironic since Neil was probably the loudest
drummer around.


AUGUST 1974 - Rush's first album is re-recorded and re-released.
- The album cover is changed to Pink.
- Recorded under Mercury Records lable.


AUG. 14, 1974 - The band's first 5 month tour begins in Pittsburgh
Pennsylvania.
- This is Neil's first time ever playing on stage with the
band. His debut with the band was in front of 11,642
people at the Civic Arena in Pittsburgh.
It was a hit!!

ohmy.gif You're a fountain of knowledge! How do you know all this!? Books and shit!?

 

I've been reading the wrong ones!

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QUOTE (deslock @ Sep 11 2007, 12:59 AM)

Read Chapter 1 and Chapter 2 of Rush Visions, an excellent out-of-print biography released in 1988.  On a side note, the band cut off the author (a huge Rush fan whom they had befriended). Rumor has it he played one of their albums on the radio before it was released and without their permission.  Nonetheless, I recommend picking up this bio used.

 

 

No Way! I still have my copy of "Visions", B-Man's writing style is excellent, and he does get really deep. I always wondered why that book was never updated. "Rush: Chemistry" by John Collins only skims the surface when it should be twice as thick a read.

 

Lindy Young is Geddy's brother in law, isn't he? Geddy married Nancy, Lindy's sister.

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QUOTE (steelcaressed @ Sep 10 2007, 08:34 PM)
QUOTE (deslock @ Sep 10 2007, 08:59 PM)
QUOTE (The Owl @ Sep 9 2007, 12:50 AM)
QUOTE ( wikipedia)
The original line-up formed in summer 1968, consisting of Jeff Jones on bass and lead vocals, Alex Lifeson on guitars, and John Rutsey on drums. In September 1968 (and before they had even played their first gig), Jones was replaced by Geddy Lee, a schoolmate of Lifeson

 

I've read this before, but never tried to confirm the info until now.

 

But is anyone else aware that the origional Rush line up was

 

Alex Lifeson

Jeff Jones

John Rutsey

Read Chapter 1 and Chapter 2 of Rush Visions, an excellent out-of-print biography released in 1988. On a side note, the band cut off the author (a huge Rush fan whom they had befriended). Rumor has it he played one of their albums on the radio before it was released and without their permission. Nonetheless, I recommend picking up this bio used.

 

From it, you can see that the http://www.excelcier.com/history.html timeline has several some mistakes/typos:

It says Alex Lifeson was born in 1966, but he was born in 1953

Rush was formed/named in Summer of 1968 (not Spring)

Their first album was recorded 1973 and was supposed to be released that December. It was postponed until Jan 1974 because of the oil crisis (the petroleum shortage affect the release of vinyl records)

They did not re-record their first album after Neil Peart joined the band

I only skimmed the rest of that webpage, so I dunno if there are more errors.

I noticed this too:

 

QUOTE
AUGUST 1974 - Rush's first album is re-recorded and re-released.
- The album cover is changed to Pink.
- Recorded under Mercury Records lable.

 

That would indicate that Peart did the "re-recording."

 

It may have been polished up, but it was not re-recorded. More likely, this is the timing of the label switch.

 

Thanks for the tip about "Rush Visions." That's actually the first I have heard of that one.

I'll have to let you borrow my 'Visions' next time our paths cross again.

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Two more interesting tidbits:

 

1. Geddy ended up marrying Lindy Young's sister Nancy. They are still married.

 

2. Lindy has a female relative who posts (posted?) on this forum. I can't recall if it's another sister or cousin or what.

 

 

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It's nice to know that Geddy and Nancy are still married.

 

One thing which did bother me reading (in Rush: Chemistry) though, was the fact that Alex was involved in a fracas (along with his son and daughter in law) before the R30 Tour, which, if he was convicted, would've meant that he would've been unable to travel (especially overseas).

 

That was a surprise to read, because Alex is a pretty quiet guy.

 

Which is the best Rush Biog to read?

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QUOTE (Atomic @ Oct 23 2007, 09:55 PM)
Didn't Jeff Jones go on to play bass for Red Rider, (from which Tom Cochrane springboarded a solo career)?

Maybe/maybe not? He did join Red Rider even before Cochrane did (late 70s). And interestingly Red Rider (with a Jeff Jones on board) DID open for Rush in the early 80s. And that same Red Rider Jeff Jones has worked with Terry Brown before. But since there's no mention anywhere of the RR Jones being the Rush Jeff Jones, I'm guessing they're not the same person.

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Damn. You need a scorecard to keep up with the early history of this group.

 

It's been a while since I read Contents Under Pressure (which I thought was a good bio) and Chemistry. I had forgotten how complicated things were for Rush when they were starting out.

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