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  1. 1. Van Halen Trilogy vs. Rush Trilogy: Which Is Better?

    • Van Halen, Van Halen II, Women And Children First
    • Caress Of Steel, 2112, A Farewell To Kings


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An album commonly considered to be the band's nadir (it's not in my eyes, that wouldn't happen for another 12 years) and a wildly overrated "prog masterpiece" that is actually Xanadu

I have no idea why this is almost always considered the best Rush song on this forum. This song wouldn't make my Top 20, or Top 25. As I said, not sure why this is so gushed on. The intro? (dee doo dee doo dee doo). Alex going up and down his scales? A thing I've seen people say to backup is "Neil added chimes," as if it makes it a lot better. One hell of an overrated song for sure.

 

To you.

 

Look, if you haven't figured out why people love Xanadu at this point (it's not just because of the intro, and the intro is NOT just Alex playing up and down a scale) then you should probably quit whining about it. It's a beloved song and considered a classic, even by folks like Rick or Goose who aren't huge fans of the album it comes from. Maybe one day it will click for you, maybe it won't, but loudly expressing your dismay that it's so revered just gets on my nerves after a while. No offense intended.

 

Xanadu is a great song, especially live. My objection to the AFTK love is that IMO Xanadu is surrounded by somewhat weak tracks.

 

Compared to Xanadu, I can understand how much of the rest of the album might sound weaker to someone. It's still my fav though. :)

 

That's a very common opinion, especially here. I recognize I'm an outlier.

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TBH, only Hemispheres through Signals would give you a shot at a 3 or 4 album run that MIGHT beat out the VH through 1984 run. MIGHT.

Totally. Not sure where I`d sit on Hemispheres and Permanent Waves vs WACF and FW... pretty much the four greatest records I`ve heard.

 

I’d put anything from Hemispheres to Moving Pictures definitely beating VH’s debut (their best). But to be clear, they’re all perfect 10s.

TBH, the only thing that made me have to think twice about this vote was Caress of Steel. It just falls short. But 2112 and AFTK are unstoppable giants IMO.

 

To me, 2112 and AFTK are right behind my aforementioned Big 3. 2112 & AFTK flip flop for that #4 position too. On a good day they’re both 10s, on a weaker day they’re 9.99.

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Same.

 

I don't like that it's a trilogy. Should be the first six records from each band.

 

RUSH

FLY BY NIGHT

CARESS OF STEEL

2112

A FAREWELL TO KINGS

HEMISPHERES

 

VS

 

VAN HALEN

VAN HALEN II

WOMEN AND CHILDREN FIRST

FAIR WARNING

DIVER DOWN

1984

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A "Sextet" sounds more sexy than a trilogy.

Yeah .... a sexy sextet .......... sounds like an all girl band!
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Same.

 

I don't like that it's a trilogy. Should be the first six records from each band.

 

RUSH

FLY BY NIGHT

CARESS OF STEEL

2112

A FAREWELL TO KINGS

HEMISPHERES

 

VS

 

VAN HALEN

VAN HALEN II

WOMEN AND CHILDREN FIRST

FAIR WARNING

DIVER DOWN

1984

 

2112-Hemispheres is too much meat for the best 3 (whatever they are) from VH.

 

But, VH debut > Rush debut

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Not sure I want to vote on this.

 

Same.

 

I don't like that it's a trilogy. Should be the first six records from each band.

 

RUSH

FLY BY NIGHT

CARESS OF STEEL

2112

A FAREWELL TO KINGS

HEMISPHERES

 

VS

 

VAN HALEN

VAN HALEN II

WOMEN AND CHILDREN FIRST

FAIR WARNING

DIVER DOWN

1984

 

2112-Hemispheres is too much meat for the best 3 (whatever they are) from VH.

 

But, VH debut > Rush debut

 

No question, lol.

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Not sure I want to vote on this.

 

Same.

 

I don't like that it's a trilogy. Should be the first six records from each band.

 

RUSH

FLY BY NIGHT

CARESS OF STEEL

2112

A FAREWELL TO KINGS

HEMISPHERES

 

VS

 

VAN HALEN

VAN HALEN II

WOMEN AND CHILDREN FIRST

FAIR WARNING

DIVER DOWN

1984

 

2112-Hemispheres is too much meat for the best 3 (whatever they are) from VH.

 

But, VH debut > Rush debut

 

No question, lol.

 

Not sure how much VH would win by but I assume they’d win if it’s debut vs debut

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Not sure I want to vote on this.

 

Same.

 

I don't like that it's a trilogy. Should be the first six records from each band.

 

RUSH

FLY BY NIGHT

CARESS OF STEEL

2112

A FAREWELL TO KINGS

HEMISPHERES

 

VS

 

VAN HALEN

VAN HALEN II

WOMEN AND CHILDREN FIRST

FAIR WARNING

DIVER DOWN

1984

 

2112-Hemispheres is too much meat for the best 3 (whatever they are) from VH.

 

But, VH debut > Rush debut

 

No question, lol.

 

Not sure how much VH would win by but I assume they’d win if it’s debut vs debut

 

For me

 

Rush < < VH1

FBN < VHII

CoS < / = WACF

2112 > / = FW

AFTK > > DD

Hems > 1984

 

Actually stacks up pretty evenly come to think of it, but the Rush albums that beat the VH albums I love more than the VH albums that beat the Rush albums.

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Not sure I want to vote on this.

 

Same.

 

I don't like that it's a trilogy. Should be the first six records from each band.

 

RUSH

FLY BY NIGHT

CARESS OF STEEL

2112

A FAREWELL TO KINGS

HEMISPHERES

 

VS

 

VAN HALEN

VAN HALEN II

WOMEN AND CHILDREN FIRST

FAIR WARNING

DIVER DOWN

1984

 

2112-Hemispheres is too much meat for the best 3 (whatever they are) from VH.

 

But, VH debut > Rush debut

 

No question, lol.

 

Not sure how much VH would win by but I assume they’d win if it’s debut vs debut

 

For me

 

Rush < < VH1

FBN < VHII

CoS < / = WACF

2112 > / = FW

AFTK > > DD

Hems > 1984

 

Actually stacks up pretty evenly come to think of it, but the Rush albums that beat the VH albums I love more than the VH albums that beat the Rush albums.

 

Mine wouldn’t be too different.

 

I’d go like this...

 

Rush << VH1

FBN > VHII

CoS < WaCF

2112 >> FW

AFTK >> DD

Hemispheres >>> 1984

 

Note: My least liked album here (maybe DD) is still probably a 7 on a 1 to 10 scale. And 1984 is an 8 or 9 yet gets hammered by Hemispheres.

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I`m skipping the debut, as it was missing a key Rush ingredient. So this means I skip VH`s debut too. If you go beyond six for VH obviously it then changes to another band completely.

 

And I`m skipping my least favourite Rush record which allows in the one I consider their best, so I end up with ...

 

Fly By Night = VHII

CoS < WACF

2112 < FW

Hemispheres > DD

Permanent Waves > 1984

 

So all is well with the world.

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Because I love both bands, I will refrain from indicating the margin of victory:

 

Rush < Van Halen

Fly By Night < Van Halen II

Caress of Steel < Women and Children First

2112 < Fair Warning

A Farewell to Kings < Diver Down

Hemispheres = 1984

Permanent Waves > 5150

Moving Pictures > OU812

Signals > For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge

Grace Under Pressure > Balance

Power Windows > Van Halen III

Hold Your Fire < A Different Kind of Truth

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Because I love both bands, I will refrain from indicating the margin of victory:

 

Rush < Van Halen

Fly By Night < Van Halen II

Caress of Steel < Women and Children First

2112 < Fair Warning

A Farewell to Kings < Diver Down

Hemispheres = 1984

Permanent Waves > 5150

Moving Pictures > OU812

Signals > For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge

Grace Under Pressure > Balance

Power Windows > Van Halen III

Hold Your Fire < A Different Kind of Truth

Perfect!
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I`m skipping the debut, as it was missing a key Rush ingredient. So this means I skip VH`s debut too. If you go beyond six for VH obviously it then changes to another band completely.

 

And I`m skipping my least favourite Rush record which allows in the one I consider their best, so I end up with ...

 

Fly By Night = VHII

CoS < WACF

2112 < FW

Hemispheres > DD

Permanent Waves > 1984

 

So all is well with the world.

 

You’re like a boxing promoter who handpicks the next fighter for his main acquisition :P

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I`m skipping the debut, as it was missing a key Rush ingredient. So this means I skip VH`s debut too. If you go beyond six for VH obviously it then changes to another band completely.

 

And I`m skipping my least favourite Rush record which allows in the one I consider their best, so I end up with ...

 

Fly By Night = VHII

CoS < WACF

2112 < FW

Hemispheres > DD

Permanent Waves > 1984

 

So all is well with the world.

 

You’re like a boxing promoter who handpicks the next fighter for his main acquisition :P

Just giving the people what they want to see :popcorn:
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I`m skipping the debut, as it was missing a key Rush ingredient. So this means I skip VH`s debut too. If you go beyond six for VH obviously it then changes to another band completely.

 

And I`m skipping my least favourite Rush record which allows in the one I consider their best, so I end up with ...

 

Fly By Night = VHII

CoS < WACF

2112 < FW

Hemispheres > DD

Permanent Waves > 1984

 

So all is well with the world.

 

You’re like a boxing promoter who handpicks the next fighter for his main acquisition :P

Just giving the people what they want to see :popcorn:

 

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