What decade does Permanent Waves really belong in?

[Pound of Obscure]

Recorded in 1979, mixed in 1979, shrink wrapped in 1979. Nothing changes that.

So was I, but nobody saw or played with me until I popped out, the next year. So how old am I? :laughing guy:

[JohnnyBlaze]

Some of you really need to seek professional help for OCD.

The obsession I see. But what's the compulsion? The continuous posting in here? If so, I disagree. As a former mental health professional, I say that it's NOT compulsive enough. We'd need to hit something like 50 pages within the next 48 hours. OR two or more members (because you said "some of you") would need to post consistently within a VERY short period of time regardless of replying to someone else. So yeah, in order to reach true OCD levels, we need to be MORE compulsive.

[Lorraine]

Some of you really need to seek professional help for OCD.

The obsession I see. But what's the compulsion? The continuous posting in here? If so, I disagree. As a former mental health professional, I say that it's NOT compulsive enough. We'd need to hit something like 50 pages within the next 48 hours. OR two or more members (because you said "some of you") would need to post consistently within a VERY short period of time regardless of replying to someone else. So yeah, in order to reach true OCD levels, we need to be MORE compulsive.

The true OCDers are the 7,500 plus that viewed the thread. ;)

 

What were they hoping to find? An answer??

Edited December 22, 2015 by Lorraine

[toymaker]

The answer was established long ago. This thread is just for those who still refuse to accept (for whatever bizarre personal reasons of their own) that Permanent Waves is a 70s album, as logic and evidence clearly demonstrate.

 

It was released after it was made. It's making and its releasing are two different things. The making of the thing is what matters, what places it squarely into a particular time and place, in this case the 70s - late 70s, true, and part of a changing zeitgeist, but the 70s nonetheless.

 

Still, someone will post and try to convince us all that it's an 80s record. There will be no compelling rationale for this misinformed opinion. Sad, really.

Edited December 22, 2015 by toymaker

[JohnnyBlaze]

TRFers who think it's an 80s album that are trying to convince others:

http://www.supertightstuff.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/bull-riding.jpg

 

TRFers who think it's a 70s album that are trying to convince others:

http://www.realwestern.com/rodeo/events/bullriding/bullriding.jpg

 

Me as I read each page:

http://api.ning.com/files/YFgwq7KMi-IrTXhRnj97Ag3wnK1ZaPRKbhvJDhHgXCBT9A2E93VuEctVImDXpZF-5WpQrtvggj-LcRECx8txmMXg5Jz2FIGe/joker704285.jpg?width=480&height=365

[toymaker]

TRFers who think it's an 80s album that are trying to convince others:

http://www.supertightstuff.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/bull-riding.jpg

 

TRFers who think it's a 70s album that are trying to convince others:

http://www.realwestern.com/rodeo/events/bullriding/bullriding.jpg

 

Me as I read each page:

http://api.ning.com/files/YFgwq7KMi-IrTXhRnj97Ag3wnK1ZaPRKbhvJDhHgXCBT9A2E93VuEctVImDXpZF-5WpQrtvggj-LcRECx8txmMXg5Jz2FIGe/joker704285.jpg?width=480&height=365

 

The 70s rodeo guy is clearly more in control of his bull.

 

Wait . . . that didn't come out right.

[Lorraine]

I don't know about that, Toymaker. He looks like he might be in pain to me.

[Lorraine]

http://api.ning.com/files/YFgwq7KMi-IrTXhRnj97Ag3wnK1ZaPRKbhvJDhHgXCBT9A2E93VuEctVImDXpZF-5WpQrtvggj-LcRECx8txmMXg5Jz2FIGe/joker704285.jpg?width=480&height=365

 

Johnny looks happy though. Nice smile!

[toymaker]

I don't know about that, Toymaker. He looks like he might be in pain to me.

 

Maybe, but I can't see his face. It does look as though his bum is facing front, though, and that's gotta hurt.

[toymaker]

http://api.ning.com/files/YFgwq7KMi-IrTXhRnj97Ag3wnK1ZaPRKbhvJDhHgXCBT9A2E93VuEctVImDXpZF-5WpQrtvggj-LcRECx8txmMXg5Jz2FIGe/joker704285.jpg?width=480&height=365

 

Johnny looks happy though. Nice smile!

 

Perhaps some whitening strips would help, though.

[Lorraine]

http://api.ning.com/files/YFgwq7KMi-IrTXhRnj97Ag3wnK1ZaPRKbhvJDhHgXCBT9A2E93VuEctVImDXpZF-5WpQrtvggj-LcRECx8txmMXg5Jz2FIGe/joker704285.jpg?width=480&height=365

 

Johnny looks happy though. Nice smile!

 

Perhaps some whitening strips would help, though.

 

I'll hook him up with my dentist. His teeth will be so white and shiny, Foster Grants won't even stop the glare when he approaches.

[toymaker]

http://api.ning.com/files/YFgwq7KMi-IrTXhRnj97Ag3wnK1ZaPRKbhvJDhHgXCBT9A2E93VuEctVImDXpZF-5WpQrtvggj-LcRECx8txmMXg5Jz2FIGe/joker704285.jpg?width=480&height=365

 

Johnny looks happy though. Nice smile!

 

Perhaps some whitening strips would help, though.

 

I'll hook him up with my dentist. His teeth will be so white and shiny, Foster Grants won't even stop the glare when he approaches.

 

I don't know - your dentist sounds scary.

[Lorraine]

http://api.ning.com/files/YFgwq7KMi-IrTXhRnj97Ag3wnK1ZaPRKbhvJDhHgXCBT9A2E93VuEctVImDXpZF-5WpQrtvggj-LcRECx8txmMXg5Jz2FIGe/joker704285.jpg?width=480&height=365

 

Johnny looks happy though. Nice smile!

 

Perhaps some whitening strips would help, though.

 

I'll hook him up with my dentist. His teeth will be so white and shiny, Foster Grants won't even stop the glare when he approaches.

 

I don't know - your dentist sounds scary.

 

[Lucas]

http://api.ning.com/files/YFgwq7KMi-IrTXhRnj97Ag3wnK1ZaPRKbhvJDhHgXCBT9A2E93VuEctVImDXpZF-5WpQrtvggj-LcRECx8txmMXg5Jz2FIGe/joker704285.jpg?width=480&height=365

 

Johnny looks happy though. Nice smile!

 

Perhaps some whitening strips would help, though.

 

I'll hook him up with my dentist. His teeth will be so white and shiny, Foster Grants won't even stop the glare when he approaches.

 

I don't know - your dentist sounds scary.

 

 

Nice teeth

 

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/E87F/production/_85491595_baycityrollers_two.jpg

Edited December 22, 2015 by Lucas

[JohnnyBlaze]

http://api.ning.com/files/YFgwq7KMi-IrTXhRnj97Ag3wnK1ZaPRKbhvJDhHgXCBT9A2E93VuEctVImDXpZF-5WpQrtvggj-LcRECx8txmMXg5Jz2FIGe/joker704285.jpg?width=480&height=365

 

Johnny looks happy though. Nice smile!

 

Perhaps some whitening strips would help, though.

http://www.hirextra.hu/data/Image/kultura/2009/01/13/Heath_Ledger_01.jpg

[That One Guy]

1980's

[toymaker]

1980's

 

It's gonna be okay . . . we'll get you through this.

 

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[Your_Lion]

The 80's didn't start until 1984, anyway.

Before that it went from Nineteen-Seventy-Nine, to Nineteen-Seventy-Ten, Nineteen-Seventy-Eleven, Nineteen-Seventy-Twelve, Nineteen-Seventy-Thirteen, only then did it become Nineteen-Eighty-Four

[toymaker]

The 80's didn't start until 1984, anyway.

Before that it went from Nineteen-Seventy-Nine, to Nineteen-Seventy-Ten, Nineteen-Seventy-Eleven, Nineteen-Seventy-Twelve, Nineteen-Seventy-Thirteen, only then did it become Nineteen-Eighty-Four

 

Right. There's the "80s," but then there's also the eighties.

 

One is boring and calendrical (and I don't even care if that's a word); the other is zeitgeisty and consumery.

[EagleMoon]

The 80's didn't start until 1984, anyway.

Before that it went from Nineteen-Seventy-Nine, to Nineteen-Seventy-Ten, Nineteen-Seventy-Eleven, Nineteen-Seventy-Twelve, Nineteen-Seventy-Thirteen, only then did it become Nineteen-Eighty-Four

 

Right. There's the "80s," but then there's also the eighties.

 

One is boring and calendrical (and I don't even care if that's a word); the other is zeitgeisty and consumery.

 

And let's not forget....

http://thisiscommonsense.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/1984.jpg

[circumstantial tree]

1980s album. It would be a 70s album if they had included the Sir Gawain and the Green Knight suite instead of Natural Science.

[toymaker]

1980s album. It would be a 70s album if they had included the Sir Gawain and the Green Knight suite instead of Natural Science.

 

Please explain?

[circumstantial tree]

1980s album. It would be a 70s album if they had included the Sir Gawain and the Green Knight suite instead of Natural Science.

 

Please explain?

 

Sir Gawain and the Green Knight was a piece of English literature that would have had more of a 1970s Yes or KC vibe to i had it ever been made into song. Natural Science is had that streamlined 80s rock vibe.

[toymaker]

1980s album. It would be a 70s album if they had included the Sir Gawain and the Green Knight suite instead of Natural Science.

 

Please explain?

 

Sir Gawain and the Green Knight was a piece of English literature that would have had more of a 1970s Yes or KC vibe to i had it ever been made into song. Natural Science is had that streamlined 80s rock vibe.

 

But how can you compare a song that you've never heard (because it never existed) to what we have? At any rate, whether they wrote a song about one of Arthur's knights or about scientific perspective and integrity or about a giraffe wearing a tutu, it still would have been written and recorded in 1979.

 

Permanent Waves contains brilliant 70s style muscular riffery; Jacob's Ladder has the same sweet blend of hard rock trance-inducing awesomeness as Cygnus X1. Natural Science is a three-part suite that's more akin to 70s stuff. Every note on this album is purer musical performance, untainted by the kind of synthy gooiness and guitar tone colors and boring mathematical polyrhythms that characterized a lot of 80s music.

 

Just my opinion of course.

Edited December 22, 2015 by toymaker

[circumstantial tree]

1980s album. It would be a 70s album if they had included the Sir Gawain and the Green Knight suite instead of Natural Science.

 

Please explain?

 

Sir Gawain and the Green Knight was a piece of English literature that would have had more of a 1970s Yes or KC vibe to i had it ever been made into song. Natural Science is had that streamlined 80s rock vibe.

 

But how can you compare a song that you've never heard (because it never existed) to what we have? At any rate, whether they wrote a song about one of Arthur's knights or about scientific perspective and integrity or about a giraffe wearing a tutu, it still would have been written and recorded in 1979.

 

Permanent Waves contains brilliant 70s style muscular riffery; Jacob's Ladder has the same sweet blend of hard rock trance-inducing awesomeness as Cygnus X1. Natural Science is a three-part suite that's more akin to 70s stuff. Every note on this album is purer musical performance, untainted by the kind of synthy gooiness and guitar tone colors and boring mathematical polyrhythms that characterized a lot of 80s music.

 

Just my opinion of course.

 

Because Geddy said that Sir Gawain had that English Renaissance vibe to it and it didn't fit the rest of the album. Permanent Waves was looking forward. The sidelong pieces were a thing of the 1970s anyway, which is one reason they decided to stop doing them.