Favorite Song On Clockwork Angels

[x1yyz]

Why even bother adding BU2B2? (and for that matter, BU2B1 is garbage as it is)

 

When I first heard the Caravan/BU2B single (around the time of the Time Machine tour, before the album was released) I didn't care for Caravan at all. To me it sounded like the stuff they had been releasing the previous ~10 years, a lot of which I didn't like. But I did like BU2B a lot; it represented a new direction (which just happened to be somewhat like their old stuff).

 

Fast forward a year or so when CA came out and I heard Caravan in context—it works with the album, and now I like the song. I still like BU2B but there are several other, better, stronger songs on there.

[EagleMoon]

 

It's a pretty dark album lyrically, and I'm sure it can trigger depression in some. As I put the CD in the player I ask, "do I really want to go on this trip again"? The production makes it difficult to listen to. I can listen to Signals, Counterparts, and Permanent Waves on 11, for example, but I find myself turning CA down. It's noisy as hell, and the loudness of it is harsh on the ears. The separation between guitar and bass isn't really apparent through most of it. The synths sound weird in the mix. Overall, I don't hear how it's much better than the original VT as far as the production is concerned.

 

These points are my biggest complaint about the album. Subject-wise it's very dark. Not something I want to listen to and experience on a regular basis. That's the biggest turn off other than the production, which is way too loud and too compressed. The songs that I do like off of the album, Headlong Flight, Caravan and The Garden are a bit more upbeat but they still suffer from the bad production.

[bluefox4000]

It's a pretty dark album lyrically, and I'm sure it can trigger depression in some. As I put the CD in the player I ask, "do I really want to go on this trip again"? The production makes it difficult to listen to. I can listen to Signals, Counterparts, and Permanent Waves on 11, for example, but I find myself turning CA down. It's noisy as hell, and the loudness of it is harsh on the ears. The separation between guitar and bass isn't really apparent through most of it. The synths sound weird in the mix. Overall, I don't hear how it's much better than the original VT as far as the production is concerned.

 

These points are my biggest complaint about the album. Subject-wise it's very dark. Not something I want to listen to and experience on a regular basis. That's the biggest turn off other than the production, which is way too loud and too compressed. The songs that I do like off of the album, Headlong Flight, Caravan and The Garden are a bit more upbeat but they still suffer from the bad production.

 

I'm a survivor of a deep depression. Have been ok for years now. But i can see how CA could trigger it in some.

 

The production is crap. Even if you are a huge fan of CA, I don't see how you could talk or rationalize your way around it. It's just.....sonic bullshit. A big ole headache inducing mush.

 

This is me every time. "I'll give CA another run. maybe it'll be better then....HOLY SHIT, OW!!!!!" lol

 

Mick

[Mr. Not]

Why even bother adding BU2B2? (and for that matter, BU2B1 is garbage as it is)

 

When I first heard the Caravan/BU2B single (around the time of the Time Machine tour, before the album was released) I didn't care for Caravan at all. To me it sounded like the stuff they had been releasing the previous ~10 years, a lot of which I didn't like. But I did like BU2B a lot; it represented a new direction (which just happened to be somewhat like their old stuff).

 

Fast forward a year or so when CA came out and I heard Caravan in context—it works with the album, and now I like the song. I still like BU2B but there are several other, better, stronger songs on there.

 

In my mind BU2B is just a decent song, with an insufferable riff during the verses yet a wonderfully beautiful bridge. The lyrics are repetitive and a bit snide as well. I prefer nearly any S&A song.

[EagleMoon]

It's a pretty dark album lyrically, and I'm sure it can trigger depression in some. As I put the CD in the player I ask, "do I really want to go on this trip again"? The production makes it difficult to listen to. I can listen to Signals, Counterparts, and Permanent Waves on 11, for example, but I find myself turning CA down. It's noisy as hell, and the loudness of it is harsh on the ears. The separation between guitar and bass isn't really apparent through most of it. The synths sound weird in the mix. Overall, I don't hear how it's much better than the original VT as far as the production is concerned.

 

These points are my biggest complaint about the album. Subject-wise it's very dark. Not something I want to listen to and experience on a regular basis. That's the biggest turn off other than the production, which is way too loud and too compressed. The songs that I do like off of the album, Headlong Flight, Caravan and The Garden are a bit more upbeat but they still suffer from the bad production.

 

I'm a survivor of a deep depression. Have been ok for years now. But i can see how CA could trigger it in some.

 

The production is crap. Even if you are a huge fan of CA, I don't see how you could talk or rationalize your way around it. It's just.....sonic bullshit. A big ole headache inducing mush.

 

This is me every time. "I'll give CA another run. maybe it'll be better then....HOLY SHIT, OW!!!!!" lol

 

Mick

 

This is why have trouble listening to the last Foo Fighters album that Nick R. produced. It's not quite as bad but it suffers from the extreme loudness/compression problem too. There should be sonic space in music. You should be able to pick out the different instruments. It shouldn't sound like an aural goulash.

[anima]

Impossible to decide. I have 8 favourites on this album and none that I don't like. I even chose to listen to BU2B2 a couple of weeks ago (admittedly it was a bad week).

This isn't the place to go into detail, but over the past 14 months we have just had crisis after crisis and Rush has been one of the main things to keep me going. CA has been the backing track and the lifeline through everything and it kind of feels like part of me now.

[Slack jaw gaze]

What do I choose if I don't like any of the songs on the album?

If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.

 

You should choose a path that's clear. You should choose Freewill.

Edited March 12, 2014 by Slack jaw gaze

[Slack jaw gaze]

If The Garden is Rush's favorite song off the album, it is good enough for me. Geddy says so.

They never speak in absolutes about songs or albums. It's always "one of our favorites".

[Slack jaw gaze]

Why even bother adding BU2B2? (and for that matter, BU2B1 is garbage as it is)

 

I chose Headlong Flight. The Anarchist would be second.

 

 

To be fair, someone's voted for BU2B2.

Neil's performance was flawless.

[jamie]

I like Wish Them Well because it has a great meaning that helped me walk away from a terrible friendship.

[Tombstone Mountain]

It's a pretty dark album lyrically, and I'm sure it can trigger depression in some. As I put the CD in the player I ask, "do I really want to go on this trip again"? The production makes it difficult to listen to. I can listen to Signals, Counterparts, and Permanent Waves on 11, for example, but I find myself turning CA down. It's noisy as hell, and the loudness of it is harsh on the ears. The separation between guitar and bass isn't really apparent through most of it. The synths sound weird in the mix. Overall, I don't hear how it's much better than the original VT as far as the production is concerned.

 

These points are my biggest complaint about the album. Subject-wise it's very dark. Not something I want to listen to and experience on a regular basis. That's the biggest turn off other than the production, which is way too loud and too compressed. The songs that I do like off of the album, Headlong Flight, Caravan and The Garden are a bit more upbeat but they still suffer from the bad production.

 

I'm a survivor of a deep depression. Have been ok for years now. But i can see how CA could trigger it in some.

 

The production is crap. Even if you are a huge fan of CA, I don't see how you could talk or rationalize your way around it. It's just.....sonic bullshit. A big ole headache inducing mush.

 

This is me every time. "I'll give CA another run. maybe it'll be better then....HOLY SHIT, OW!!!!!" lol

 

Mick

There should...

You should...

It shouldn't sound like...

 

I can appreciate these thoughts but I'm glad none of you are producers for Rush. You really seem to want the band remain in the past. I'm so done with the past. I can appreciate and enjoy that work but it's time to grow and move on.

 

Clockwork Angels is a crowning achievement—suck it!

[EagleMoon]

It's a pretty dark album lyrically, and I'm sure it can trigger depression in some. As I put the CD in the player I ask, "do I really want to go on this trip again"? The production makes it difficult to listen to. I can listen to Signals, Counterparts, and Permanent Waves on 11, for example, but I find myself turning CA down. It's noisy as hell, and the loudness of it is harsh on the ears. The separation between guitar and bass isn't really apparent through most of it. The synths sound weird in the mix. Overall, I don't hear how it's much better than the original VT as far as the production is concerned.

 

These points are my biggest complaint about the album. Subject-wise it's very dark. Not something I want to listen to and experience on a regular basis. That's the biggest turn off other than the production, which is way too loud and too compressed. The songs that I do like off of the album, Headlong Flight, Caravan and The Garden are a bit more upbeat but they still suffer from the bad production.

 

I'm a survivor of a deep depression. Have been ok for years now. But i can see how CA could trigger it in some.

 

The production is crap. Even if you are a huge fan of CA, I don't see how you could talk or rationalize your way around it. It's just.....sonic bullshit. A big ole headache inducing mush.

 

This is me every time. "I'll give CA another run. maybe it'll be better then....HOLY SHIT, OW!!!!!" lol

 

Mick

There should...

You should...

It shouldn't sound like...

 

I can appreciate these thoughts but I'm glad none of you are producers for Rush. You really seem to want the band remain in the past. I'm so done with the past. I can appreciate and enjoy that work but it's time to grow and move on.

 

Clockwork Angels is a crowning achievement—suck it!

 

How do you get that out of what we said? You're reading something into what was said that isn't there. I didn't say anything about wanting them to remain in the past. I said the production sucks, and it does. There's good production and bad production and this is bad. No matter what genre of music it is, or who is making it, that's pretty much standard.

Edited March 13, 2014 by EagleMoon

[EagleMoon]

It's a pretty dark album lyrically, and I'm sure it can trigger depression in some. As I put the CD in the player I ask, "do I really want to go on this trip again"? The production makes it difficult to listen to. I can listen to Signals, Counterparts, and Permanent Waves on 11, for example, but I find myself turning CA down. It's noisy as hell, and the loudness of it is harsh on the ears. The separation between guitar and bass isn't really apparent through most of it. The synths sound weird in the mix. Overall, I don't hear how it's much better than the original VT as far as the production is concerned.

 

These points are my biggest complaint about the album. Subject-wise it's very dark. Not something I want to listen to and experience on a regular basis. That's the biggest turn off other than the production, which is way too loud and too compressed. The songs that I do like off of the album, Headlong Flight, Caravan and The Garden are a bit more upbeat but they still suffer from the bad production.

 

I'm a survivor of a deep depression. Have been ok for years now. But i can see how CA could trigger it in some.

 

The production is crap. Even if you are a huge fan of CA, I don't see how you could talk or rationalize your way around it. It's just.....sonic bullshit. A big ole headache inducing mush.

 

This is me every time. "I'll give CA another run. maybe it'll be better then....HOLY SHIT, OW!!!!!" lol

 

Mick

There should...

You should...

It shouldn't sound like...

 

I can appreciate these thoughts but I'm glad none of you are producers for Rush. You really seem to want the band remain in the past. I'm so done with the past. I can appreciate and enjoy that work but it's time to grow and move on.

 

Clockwork Angels is a crowning achievement—suck it!

 

How do you get that out of what we said? You're reading something into what was said that isn't there. I didn't say anything about wanting them to remain in the past. I said the production sucks, and it does. There's good production and bad production and this is bad. No matter what genre of music it is, or who is making it, that's pretty much standard. Nobody is crapping your yard so buck up.

[bluefox4000]

It's a pretty dark album lyrically, and I'm sure it can trigger depression in some. As I put the CD in the player I ask, "do I really want to go on this trip again"? The production makes it difficult to listen to. I can listen to Signals, Counterparts, and Permanent Waves on 11, for example, but I find myself turning CA down. It's noisy as hell, and the loudness of it is harsh on the ears. The separation between guitar and bass isn't really apparent through most of it. The synths sound weird in the mix. Overall, I don't hear how it's much better than the original VT as far as the production is concerned.

 

These points are my biggest complaint about the album. Subject-wise it's very dark. Not something I want to listen to and experience on a regular basis. That's the biggest turn off other than the production, which is way too loud and too compressed. The songs that I do like off of the album, Headlong Flight, Caravan and The Garden are a bit more upbeat but they still suffer from the bad production.

 

I'm a survivor of a deep depression. Have been ok for years now. But i can see how CA could trigger it in some.

 

The production is crap. Even if you are a huge fan of CA, I don't see how you could talk or rationalize your way around it. It's just.....sonic bullshit. A big ole headache inducing mush.

 

This is me every time. "I'll give CA another run. maybe it'll be better then....HOLY SHIT, OW!!!!!" lol

 

Mick

There should...

You should...

It shouldn't sound like...

 

I can appreciate these thoughts but I'm glad none of you are producers for Rush. You really seem to want the band remain in the past. I'm so done with the past. I can appreciate and enjoy that work but it's time to grow and move on.

 

Clockwork Angels is a crowning achievement—suck it!

 

How do you get that out of what we said? You're reading something into what was said that isn't there. I didn't say anything about wanting them to remain in the past. I said the production sucks, and it does. There's good production and bad production and this is bad. No matter what genre of music it is, or who is making it, that's pretty much standard.

 

That's why I try not to get into it With CA fans. I really am glad that people like the damn record but it always seems they can't accept other views.

 

Mick

[Narps]

It's a pretty dark album lyrically, and I'm sure it can trigger depression in some. As I put the CD in the player I ask, "do I really want to go on this trip again"? The production makes it difficult to listen to. I can listen to Signals, Counterparts, and Permanent Waves on 11, for example, but I find myself turning CA down. It's noisy as hell, and the loudness of it is harsh on the ears. The separation between guitar and bass isn't really apparent through most of it. The synths sound weird in the mix. Overall, I don't hear how it's much better than the original VT as far as the production is concerned.

 

These points are my biggest complaint about the album. Subject-wise it's very dark. Not something I want to listen to and experience on a regular basis. That's the biggest turn off other than the production, which is way too loud and too compressed. The songs that I do like off of the album, Headlong Flight, Caravan and The Garden are a bit more upbeat but they still suffer from the bad production.

 

I'm a survivor of a deep depression. Have been ok for years now. But i can see how CA could trigger it in some.

 

The production is crap. Even if you are a huge fan of CA, I don't see how you could talk or rationalize your way around it. It's just.....sonic bullshit. A big ole headache inducing mush.

 

This is me every time. "I'll give CA another run. maybe it'll be better then....HOLY SHIT, OW!!!!!" lol

 

Mick

There should...

You should...

It shouldn't sound like...

 

I can appreciate these thoughts but I'm glad none of you are producers for Rush. You really seem to want the band remain in the past. I'm so done with the past. I can appreciate and enjoy that work but it's time to grow and move on.

 

Clockwork Angels is a crowning achievement—suck it!

 

How do you get that out of what we said? You're reading something into what was said that isn't there. I didn't say anything about wanting them to remain in the past. I said the production sucks, and it does. There's good production and bad production and this is bad. No matter what genre of music it is, or who is making it, that's pretty much standard.

In all fairness and to lighten the mood a touch (hopefully), I am the one who wants the production style of the past.... :D

[Disk98]

Headlong Flight. That last line: "Oh, I wish that I could LIVE IT ALL AGAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIN!" never fails to send shivers down my spine. Not to mention I'm a bassist and the bass line is really cool.

 

By the way, I'm surprised Carnies hasn't gotten any love. That's in my top three.

[Tombstone Mountain]

It's a pretty dark album lyrically, and I'm sure it can trigger depression in some. As I put the CD in the player I ask, "do I really want to go on this trip again"? The production makes it difficult to listen to. I can listen to Signals, Counterparts, and Permanent Waves on 11, for example, but I find myself turning CA down. It's noisy as hell, and the loudness of it is harsh on the ears. The separation between guitar and bass isn't really apparent through most of it. The synths sound weird in the mix. Overall, I don't hear how it's much better than the original VT as far as the production is concerned.

 

These points are my biggest complaint about the album. Subject-wise it's very dark. Not something I want to listen to and experience on a regular basis. That's the biggest turn off other than the production, which is way too loud and too compressed. The songs that I do like off of the album, Headlong Flight, Caravan and The Garden are a bit more upbeat but they still suffer from the bad production.

 

I'm a survivor of a deep depression. Have been ok for years now. But i can see how CA could trigger it in some.

 

The production is crap. Even if you are a huge fan of CA, I don't see how you could talk or rationalize your way around it. It's just.....sonic bullshit. A big ole headache inducing mush.

 

This is me every time. "I'll give CA another run. maybe it'll be better then....HOLY SHIT, OW!!!!!" lol

 

Mick

There should...

You should...

It shouldn't sound like...

 

I can appreciate these thoughts but I'm glad none of you are producers for Rush. You really seem to want the band remain in the past. I'm so done with the past. I can appreciate and enjoy that work but it's time to grow and move on.

 

Clockwork Angels is a crowning achievement—suck it!

 

How do you get that out of what we said? You're reading something into what was said that isn't there. I didn't say anything about wanting them to remain in the past. I said the production sucks, and it does. There's good production and bad production and this is bad. No matter what genre of music it is, or who is making it, that's pretty much standard.

There is no standard. Metallica put out Garage Days, which is barely produced, and it is one powerful record. The songs carry the record and tracks 1-12 are hauling the mail.

 

As for reading into your statement, didn't you proclaim how music SHOULD sound? Just wondering because that's how I read your statement. Anyway...no fuss...just a reaction

[GeminiRising79]

Crowning acheivement?... put the bong down, TM. CA is what an asteroid is to Antares, when comparing it to any of Rush's circum-1980s works.

[GeminiRising79]

Duplicate post Edited March 13, 2014 by GeminiRising79

[EagleMoon]

It's a pretty dark album lyrically, and I'm sure it can trigger depression in some. As I put the CD in the player I ask, "do I really want to go on this trip again"? The production makes it difficult to listen to. I can listen to Signals, Counterparts, and Permanent Waves on 11, for example, but I find myself turning CA down. It's noisy as hell, and the loudness of it is harsh on the ears. The separation between guitar and bass isn't really apparent through most of it. The synths sound weird in the mix. Overall, I don't hear how it's much better than the original VT as far as the production is concerned.

 

These points are my biggest complaint about the album. Subject-wise it's very dark. Not something I want to listen to and experience on a regular basis. That's the biggest turn off other than the production, which is way too loud and too compressed. The songs that I do like off of the album, Headlong Flight, Caravan and The Garden are a bit more upbeat but they still suffer from the bad production.

 

I'm a survivor of a deep depression. Have been ok for years now. But i can see how CA could trigger it in some.

 

The production is crap. Even if you are a huge fan of CA, I don't see how you could talk or rationalize your way around it. It's just.....sonic bullshit. A big ole headache inducing mush.

 

This is me every time. "I'll give CA another run. maybe it'll be better then....HOLY SHIT, OW!!!!!" lol

 

Mick

There should...

You should...

It shouldn't sound like...

 

I can appreciate these thoughts but I'm glad none of you are producers for Rush. You really seem to want the band remain in the past. I'm so done with the past. I can appreciate and enjoy that work but it's time to grow and move on.

 

Clockwork Angels is a crowning achievement—suck it!

 

How do you get that out of what we said? You're reading something into what was said that isn't there. I didn't say anything about wanting them to remain in the past. I said the production sucks, and it does. There's good production and bad production and this is bad. No matter what genre of music it is, or who is making it, that's pretty much standard.

There is no standard. Metallica put out Garage Days, which is barely produced, and it is one powerful record. The songs carry the record and tracks 1-12 are hauling the mail.

 

As for reading into your statement, didn't you proclaim how music SHOULD sound? Just wondering because that's how I read your statement. Anyway...no fuss...just a reaction

 

I guess that's the difference in somebody who does music for a living and someone who doesn't. I've been doing music for a living ever since I was about 18 so maybe I just have a more discerning ear. There are certain standards for music production just like there are for other professions. I'm sorry if you feel like you're getting your toes walked on but I'm just stating how production standards are. You can choose not to agree, and that's fine. I'm not commenting on the music itself. Just the production values.

[Tombstone Mountain]

It's a pretty dark album lyrically, and I'm sure it can trigger depression in some. As I put the CD in the player I ask, "do I really want to go on this trip again"? The production makes it difficult to listen to. I can listen to Signals, Counterparts, and Permanent Waves on 11, for example, but I find myself turning CA down. It's noisy as hell, and the loudness of it is harsh on the ears. The separation between guitar and bass isn't really apparent through most of it. The synths sound weird in the mix. Overall, I don't hear how it's much better than the original VT as far as the production is concerned.

 

These points are my biggest complaint about the album. Subject-wise it's very dark. Not something I want to listen to and experience on a regular basis. That's the biggest turn off other than the production, which is way too loud and too compressed. The songs that I do like off of the album, Headlong Flight, Caravan and The Garden are a bit more upbeat but they still suffer from the bad production.

 

I'm a survivor of a deep depression. Have been ok for years now. But i can see how CA could trigger it in some.

 

The production is crap. Even if you are a huge fan of CA, I don't see how you could talk or rationalize your way around it. It's just.....sonic bullshit. A big ole headache inducing mush.

 

This is me every time. "I'll give CA another run. maybe it'll be better then....HOLY SHIT, OW!!!!!" lol

 

Mick

There should...

You should...

It shouldn't sound like...

 

I can appreciate these thoughts but I'm glad none of you are producers for Rush. You really seem to want the band remain in the past. I'm so done with the past. I can appreciate and enjoy that work but it's time to grow and move on.

 

Clockwork Angels is a crowning achievement—suck it!

 

How do you get that out of what we said? You're reading something into what was said that isn't there. I didn't say anything about wanting them to remain in the past. I said the production sucks, and it does. There's good production and bad production and this is bad. No matter what genre of music it is, or who is making it, that's pretty much standard.

There is no standard. Metallica put out Garage Days, which is barely produced, and it is one powerful record. The songs carry the record and tracks 1-12 are hauling the mail.

 

As for reading into your statement, didn't you proclaim how music SHOULD sound? Just wondering because that's how I read your statement. Anyway...no fuss...just a reaction

 

I guess that's the difference in somebody who does music for a living and someone who doesn't. I've been doing music for a living ever since I was about 18 so maybe I just have a more discerning ear. There are certain standards for music production just like there are for other professions. I'm sorry if you feel like you're getting your toes walked on but I'm just stating how production standards are. You can choose not to agree, and that's fine. I'm not commenting on the music itself. Just the production values.

I'm sure you're experience as a "current" working musician qualifies you as an expert. I'm certainly not a professional musician so I could never understand your level of expertise. Who am I to judge? You're an expert.

 

I just know what kicks ass.

 

Give me Nick's production standard anyday. He's understands the essence of this band profoundly and has delivered FAR beyond my expectations.

 

 

[GeminiRising79]

It's a pretty dark album lyrically, and I'm sure it can trigger depression in some. As I put the CD in the player I ask, "do I really want to go on this trip again"? The production makes it difficult to listen to. I can listen to Signals, Counterparts, and Permanent Waves on 11, for example, but I find myself turning CA down. It's noisy as hell, and the loudness of it is harsh on the ears. The separation between guitar and bass isn't really apparent through most of it. The synths sound weird in the mix. Overall, I don't hear how it's much better than the original VT as far as the production is concerned.

 

These points are my biggest complaint about the album. Subject-wise it's very dark. Not something I want to listen to and experience on a regular basis. That's the biggest turn off other than the production, which is way too loud and too compressed. The songs that I do like off of the album, Headlong Flight, Caravan and The Garden are a bit more upbeat but they still suffer from the bad production.

 

I'm a survivor of a deep depression. Have been ok for years now. But i can see how CA could trigger it in some.

 

The production is crap. Even if you are a huge fan of CA, I don't see how you could talk or rationalize your way around it. It's just.....sonic bullshit. A big ole headache inducing mush.

 

This is me every time. "I'll give CA another run. maybe it'll be better then....HOLY SHIT, OW!!!!!" lol

 

Mick

There should...

You should...

It shouldn't sound like...

 

I can appreciate these thoughts but I'm glad none of you are producers for Rush. You really seem to want the band remain in the past. I'm so done with the past. I can appreciate and enjoy that work but it's time to grow and move on.

 

Clockwork Angels is a crowning achievement—suck it!

 

How do you get that out of what we said? You're reading something into what was said that isn't there. I didn't say anything about wanting them to remain in the past. I said the production sucks, and it does. There's good production and bad production and this is bad. No matter what genre of music it is, or who is making it, that's pretty much standard.

There is no standard. Metallica put out Garage Days, which is barely produced, and it is one powerful record. The songs carry the record and tracks 1-12 are hauling the mail.

 

As for reading into your statement, didn't you proclaim how music SHOULD sound? Just wondering because that's how I read your statement. Anyway...no fuss...just a reaction

 

I guess that's the difference in somebody who does music for a living and someone who doesn't. I've been doing music for a living ever since I was about 18 so maybe I just have a more discerning ear. There are certain standards for music production just like there are for other professions. I'm sorry if you feel like you're getting your toes walked on but I'm just stating how production standards are. You can choose not to agree, and that's fine. I'm not commenting on the music itself. Just the production values.

I'm sure you're experience as a "current" working musician qualifies you as an expert. I'm certainly not a professional musician so I could never understand your level of expertise. Who am I to judge? You're an expert.

 

I just know what kicks ass.

 

Give me Nick's production standard anyday. He's understands the essence of this band profoundly and has delivered FAR beyond my expectations.

 

Hey John Bigbooty. I too know what "kicks ass", and it ain't Clockwok Angels.

[lifeson90]

BU2B

 

sensational. satanic.

 

rush at their very very progressive best.

 

for me, maybe the band's best ever track.

[Tombstone Mountain]

It's a pretty dark album lyrically, and I'm sure it can trigger depression in some. As I put the CD in the player I ask, "do I really want to go on this trip again"? The production makes it difficult to listen to. I can listen to Signals, Counterparts, and Permanent Waves on 11, for example, but I find myself turning CA down. It's noisy as hell, and the loudness of it is harsh on the ears. The separation between guitar and bass isn't really apparent through most of it. The synths sound weird in the mix. Overall, I don't hear how it's much better than the original VT as far as the production is concerned.

 

These points are my biggest complaint about the album. Subject-wise it's very dark. Not something I want to listen to and experience on a regular basis. That's the biggest turn off other than the production, which is way too loud and too compressed. The songs that I do like off of the album, Headlong Flight, Caravan and The Garden are a bit more upbeat but they still suffer from the bad production.

 

I'm a survivor of a deep depression. Have been ok for years now. But i can see how CA could trigger it in some.

 

The production is crap. Even if you are a huge fan of CA, I don't see how you could talk or rationalize your way around it. It's just.....sonic bullshit. A big ole headache inducing mush.

 

This is me every time. "I'll give CA another run. maybe it'll be better then....HOLY SHIT, OW!!!!!" lol

 

Mick

There should...

You should...

It shouldn't sound like...

 

I can appreciate these thoughts but I'm glad none of you are producers for Rush. You really seem to want the band remain in the past. I'm so done with the past. I can appreciate and enjoy that work but it's time to grow and move on.

 

Clockwork Angels is a crowning achievement—suck it!

 

How do you get that out of what we said? You're reading something into what was said that isn't there. I didn't say anything about wanting them to remain in the past. I said the production sucks, and it does. There's good production and bad production and this is bad. No matter what genre of music it is, or who is making it, that's pretty much standard.

There is no standard. Metallica put out Garage Days, which is barely produced, and it is one powerful record. The songs carry the record and tracks 1-12 are hauling the mail.

 

As for reading into your statement, didn't you proclaim how music SHOULD sound? Just wondering because that's how I read your statement. Anyway...no fuss...just a reaction

 

I guess that's the difference in somebody who does music for a living and someone who doesn't. I've been doing music for a living ever since I was about 18 so maybe I just have a more discerning ear. There are certain standards for music production just like there are for other professions. I'm sorry if you feel like you're getting your toes walked on but I'm just stating how production standards are. You can choose not to agree, and that's fine. I'm not commenting on the music itself. Just the production values.

I'm sure you're experience as a "current" working musician qualifies you as an expert. I'm certainly not a professional musician so I could never understand your level of expertise. Who am I to judge? You're an expert.

 

I just know what kicks ass.

 

Give me Nick's production standard anyday. He's understands the essence of this band profoundly and has delivered FAR beyond my expectations.

 

Hey John Bigbooty. I too know what "kicks ass", and it ain't Clockwok Angels.

 

Hey Captain Buzzkill, we all know you consider "Hangin' Tough" kick ass...so you're suspect!

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It's a pretty dark album lyrically, and I'm sure it can trigger depression in some. As I put the CD in the player I ask, "do I really want to go on this trip again"? The production makes it difficult to listen to. I can listen to Signals, Counterparts, and Permanent Waves on 11, for example, but I find myself turning CA down. It's noisy as hell, and the loudness of it is harsh on the ears. The separation between guitar and bass isn't really apparent through most of it. The synths sound weird in the mix. Overall, I don't hear how it's much better than the original VT as far as the production is concerned.

 

These points are my biggest complaint about the album. Subject-wise it's very dark. Not something I want to listen to and experience on a regular basis. That's the biggest turn off other than the production, which is way too loud and too compressed. The songs that I do like off of the album, Headlong Flight, Caravan and The Garden are a bit more upbeat but they still suffer from the bad production.

 

I'm a survivor of a deep depression. Have been ok for years now. But i can see how CA could trigger it in some.

 

The production is crap. Even if you are a huge fan of CA, I don't see how you could talk or rationalize your way around it. It's just.....sonic bullshit. A big ole headache inducing mush.

 

This is me every time. "I'll give CA another run. maybe it'll be better then....HOLY SHIT, OW!!!!!" lol

 

Mick

There should...

You should...

It shouldn't sound like...

 

I can appreciate these thoughts but I'm glad none of you are producers for Rush. You really seem to want the band remain in the past. I'm so done with the past. I can appreciate and enjoy that work but it's time to grow and move on.

 

Clockwork Angels is a crowning achievement—suck it!

 

How do you get that out of what we said? You're reading something into what was said that isn't there. I didn't say anything about wanting them to remain in the past. I said the production sucks, and it does. There's good production and bad production and this is bad. No matter what genre of music it is, or who is making it, that's pretty much standard.

There is no standard. Metallica put out Garage Days, which is barely produced, and it is one powerful record. The songs carry the record and tracks 1-12 are hauling the mail.

 

As for reading into your statement, didn't you proclaim how music SHOULD sound? Just wondering because that's how I read your statement. Anyway...no fuss...just a reaction

 

I guess that's the difference in somebody who does music for a living and someone who doesn't. I've been doing music for a living ever since I was about 18 so maybe I just have a more discerning ear. There are certain standards for music production just like there are for other professions. I'm sorry if you feel like you're getting your toes walked on but I'm just stating how production standards are. You can choose not to agree, and that's fine. I'm not commenting on the music itself. Just the production values.

I'm sure you're experience as a "current" working musician qualifies you as an expert. I'm certainly not a professional musician so I could never understand your level of expertise. Who am I to judge? You're an expert.

 

I just know what kicks ass.

 

Give me Nick's production standard anyday. He's understands the essence of this band profoundly and has delivered FAR beyond my expectations.

 

Well the thing is, Rush would kick ass regardless of who produced them. It's the quality of the mixing that I'm talking about, not the songs. I'm glad you like the album. It just could have sounded a lot better.