Amazing new crop circle

[Mr. Not]

QUOTE (JohnnyBlaze @ Aug 26 2012, 10:52 PM)

QUOTE (rushgoober @ Aug 27 2012, 02:27 PM) QUOTE (JohnnyBlaze @ Aug 26 2012, 09:26 PM) QUOTE (presto123 @ Aug 27 2012, 12:27 PM) QUOTE (t2s @ Aug 26 2012, 10:25 PM) QUOTE (presto123 @ Aug 26 2012, 08:24 PM) For those of you that think it is college students with planks and boards how do you explain the plants being changed at a cellular level(as research has shown) in many of the famous crop circles? Planks and boards can't do that. Links? It's on my Unsolved Mysteries DVD's about crop circles. The actual structure of the plant is changed and proven in the lab. Unsolved Mysteries? You mean the show with Robert Stack? One of the biggest mysteries in the universe and you're going to trust this trench coat-wearing geezer? http://epguides.com/UnsolvedMysteries/cast.jpg   And of course that's the easiest way to refute anything, just call the people with more challenging theories that can't be proved scientifically (even if they can't be proved unscientifically either) a bunch of loons and you don't have to think about anything at all. You're way too serious. It's a crop circle. I doubt anyone will change their mind no matter what evidence is shown or not shown. Maybe he's always been this way, but recently I've really been noticing...   Where do I sign for the "Anti-Hippy Treeduck Club"?

[rushgoober]

QUOTE (JohnnyBlaze @ Aug 26 2012, 10:52 PM)

QUOTE (rushgoober @ Aug 27 2012, 02:27 PM) QUOTE (JohnnyBlaze @ Aug 26 2012, 09:26 PM) QUOTE (presto123 @ Aug 27 2012, 12:27 PM) QUOTE (t2s @ Aug 26 2012, 10:25 PM) QUOTE (presto123 @ Aug 26 2012, 08:24 PM) For those of you that think it is college students with planks and boards how do you explain the plants being changed at a cellular level(as research has shown) in many of the famous crop circles? Planks and boards can't do that. Links? It's on my Unsolved Mysteries DVD's about crop circles. The actual structure of the plant is changed and proven in the lab. Unsolved Mysteries? You mean the show with Robert Stack? One of the biggest mysteries in the universe and you're going to trust this trench coat-wearing geezer? http://epguides.com/UnsolvedMysteries/cast.jpg   And of course that's the easiest way to refute anything, just call the people with more challenging theories that can't be proved scientifically (even if they can't be proved unscientifically either) a bunch of loons and you don't have to think about anything at all. You're way too serious. It's a crop circle. I doubt anyone will change their mind no matter what evidence is shown or not shown. Which of course is ridiculous, but you're absolutely right. For those closed-minded to certain ideas, things like facts, logic, information and firsthand accounts make no difference whatsoever, and the need to have something solved with some explanation that only falls within a limited closed worldview automatically discounts a whole host of possibilities, including often what might be the actual correct explanation of mysterious events.

[Mr. Not]

QUOTE (rushgoober @ Aug 26 2012, 11:04 PM)

Which of course is ridiculous, but you're absolutely right. For those closed-minded to certain ideas, things like facts, logic, information and firsthand accounts make no difference whatsoever, and the need to have something solved with some explanation that only falls within a limited closed worldview automatically discounts a whole host of possibilities, including often what might be the actual correct explanation of mysterious events.

Disregard convention completely and focus on the difference between probability and possibility. "Facts and logic" point away from the supernatural blah. As NDT pointed out, assuming a "UFO" is an alien/supernatural craft is preordained itself...

[HomesickAlien]

QUOTE (rushgoober @ Aug 27 2012, 01:04 AM)

QUOTE (JohnnyBlaze @ Aug 26 2012, 10:52 PM) QUOTE (rushgoober @ Aug 27 2012, 02:27 PM) QUOTE (JohnnyBlaze @ Aug 26 2012, 09:26 PM) QUOTE (presto123 @ Aug 27 2012, 12:27 PM) QUOTE (t2s @ Aug 26 2012, 10:25 PM) QUOTE (presto123 @ Aug 26 2012, 08:24 PM) For those of you that think it is college students with planks and boards how do you explain the plants being changed at a cellular level(as research has shown) in many of the famous crop circles? Planks and boards can't do that. Links? It's on my Unsolved Mysteries DVD's about crop circles. The actual structure of the plant is changed and proven in the lab. Unsolved Mysteries? You mean the show with Robert Stack? One of the biggest mysteries in the universe and you're going to trust this trench coat-wearing geezer? http://epguides.com/UnsolvedMysteries/cast.jpg   And of course that's the easiest way to refute anything, just call the people with more challenging theories that can't be proved scientifically (even if they can't be proved unscientifically either) a bunch of loons and you don't have to think about anything at all. You're way too serious. It's a crop circle. I doubt anyone will change their mind no matter what evidence is shown or not shown. Which of course is ridiculous, but you're absolutely right. For those closed-minded to certain ideas, things like facts, logic, information and firsthand accounts make no difference whatsoever, and the need to have something solved with some explanation that only falls within a limited closed worldview automatically discounts a whole host of possibilities, including often what might be the actual correct explanation of mysterious events. I'll rely on methodological naturalism to explain the world around me, and you can rely on wacky supernatural explanations. I'm bored with this thread.   You and Mr. IsNot can fight it out!

[Mr. Not]

QUOTE (substancewithoutstyle @ Aug 26 2012, 11:16 PM)

QUOTE (rushgoober @ Aug 27 2012, 01:04 AM) QUOTE (JohnnyBlaze @ Aug 26 2012, 10:52 PM) QUOTE (rushgoober @ Aug 27 2012, 02:27 PM) QUOTE (JohnnyBlaze @ Aug 26 2012, 09:26 PM) QUOTE (presto123 @ Aug 27 2012, 12:27 PM) QUOTE (t2s @ Aug 26 2012, 10:25 PM) QUOTE (presto123 @ Aug 26 2012, 08:24 PM) For those of you that think it is college students with planks and boards how do you explain the plants being changed at a cellular level(as research has shown) in many of the famous crop circles? Planks and boards can't do that. Links? It's on my Unsolved Mysteries DVD's about crop circles. The actual structure of the plant is changed and proven in the lab. Unsolved Mysteries? You mean the show with Robert Stack? One of the biggest mysteries in the universe and you're going to trust this trench coat-wearing geezer? http://epguides.com/UnsolvedMysteries/cast.jpg   And of course that's the easiest way to refute anything, just call the people with more challenging theories that can't be proved scientifically (even if they can't be proved unscientifically either) a bunch of loons and you don't have to think about anything at all. You're way too serious. It's a crop circle. I doubt anyone will change their mind no matter what evidence is shown or not shown. Which of course is ridiculous, but you're absolutely right. For those closed-minded to certain ideas, things like facts, logic, information and firsthand accounts make no difference whatsoever, and the need to have something solved with some explanation that only falls within a limited closed worldview automatically discounts a whole host of possibilities, including often what might be the actual correct explanation of mysterious events. I'll rely on methodological naturalism to explain the world around me, and you can rely on wacky supernatural explanations. I'm bored with this thread.   You and Mr. IsNot can fight it out!   You should stay, perhaps you can teach me more about the reality of this universe. I enjoyed the brief talk about the Drake equation.   But you're right. There is only a certain point you can go to before it's all in vain.   No one will admit their wrong on the spot, but maybe over the weeks or months things will seek in and realization will occur. It happens to a lot of us, and if not, then we simply hope personal experience and research prevails in leading to the truth.

[HomesickAlien]

QUOTE (Mr. IsNot @ Aug 27 2012, 01:23 AM)

QUOTE (substancewithoutstyle @ Aug 26 2012, 11:16 PM) QUOTE (rushgoober @ Aug 27 2012, 01:04 AM) QUOTE (JohnnyBlaze @ Aug 26 2012, 10:52 PM) QUOTE (rushgoober @ Aug 27 2012, 02:27 PM) QUOTE (JohnnyBlaze @ Aug 26 2012, 09:26 PM) QUOTE (presto123 @ Aug 27 2012, 12:27 PM) QUOTE (t2s @ Aug 26 2012, 10:25 PM) QUOTE (presto123 @ Aug 26 2012, 08:24 PM) For those of you that think it is college students with planks and boards how do you explain the plants being changed at a cellular level(as research has shown) in many of the famous crop circles? Planks and boards can't do that. Links? It's on my Unsolved Mysteries DVD's about crop circles. The actual structure of the plant is changed and proven in the lab. Unsolved Mysteries? You mean the show with Robert Stack? One of the biggest mysteries in the universe and you're going to trust this trench coat-wearing geezer? http://epguides.com/UnsolvedMysteries/cast.jpg   And of course that's the easiest way to refute anything, just call the people with more challenging theories that can't be proved scientifically (even if they can't be proved unscientifically either) a bunch of loons and you don't have to think about anything at all. You're way too serious. It's a crop circle. I doubt anyone will change their mind no matter what evidence is shown or not shown. Which of course is ridiculous, but you're absolutely right. For those closed-minded to certain ideas, things like facts, logic, information and firsthand accounts make no difference whatsoever, and the need to have something solved with some explanation that only falls within a limited closed worldview automatically discounts a whole host of possibilities, including often what might be the actual correct explanation of mysterious events. I'll rely on methodological naturalism to explain the world around me, and you can rely on wacky supernatural explanations. I'm bored with this thread.   You and Mr. IsNot can fight it out!   You should stay, perhaps you can teach me more about the reality of this universe. I enjoyed the brief talk about the Drake equation.   But you're right. There is only a certain point you can go to before it's all in vain.   No one will admit their wrong on the spot, but maybe over the weeks or months things will seek in and realization will occur. It happens to a lot of us, and if not, then we simply hope personal experience and research prevails in leading to the truth. Don't count on me to explain anything about the reality of the universe!     I guess we're all just searching for the truth. The frustrating thing is we'll probably never know!

[rushgoober]

QUOTE (substancewithoutstyle @ Aug 26 2012, 11:16 PM)

QUOTE (rushgoober @ Aug 27 2012, 01:04 AM) QUOTE (JohnnyBlaze @ Aug 26 2012, 10:52 PM) QUOTE (rushgoober @ Aug 27 2012, 02:27 PM) QUOTE (JohnnyBlaze @ Aug 26 2012, 09:26 PM) QUOTE (presto123 @ Aug 27 2012, 12:27 PM) QUOTE (t2s @ Aug 26 2012, 10:25 PM) QUOTE (presto123 @ Aug 26 2012, 08:24 PM) For those of you that think it is college students with planks and boards how do you explain the plants being changed at a cellular level(as research has shown) in many of the famous crop circles? Planks and boards can't do that. Links? It's on my Unsolved Mysteries DVD's about crop circles. The actual structure of the plant is changed and proven in the lab. Unsolved Mysteries? You mean the show with Robert Stack? One of the biggest mysteries in the universe and you're going to trust this trench coat-wearing geezer? http://epguides.com/UnsolvedMysteries/cast.jpg   And of course that's the easiest way to refute anything, just call the people with more challenging theories that can't be proved scientifically (even if they can't be proved unscientifically either) a bunch of loons and you don't have to think about anything at all. You're way too serious. It's a crop circle. I doubt anyone will change their mind no matter what evidence is shown or not shown. Which of course is ridiculous, but you're absolutely right. For those closed-minded to certain ideas, things like facts, logic, information and firsthand accounts make no difference whatsoever, and the need to have something solved with some explanation that only falls within a limited closed worldview automatically discounts a whole host of possibilities, including often what might be the actual correct explanation of mysterious events. I'll rely on methodological naturalism to explain the world around me, and you can rely on wacky supernatural explanations. I'm bored with this thread.   You and Mr. IsNot can fight it out!   I'm pretty bored with it too honestly. The "scientific only" point of view is tedious and limited, and it's very closed off to a lot of the mystery and wonder of life and existence under the guise of reason. I actually find it a very sad perspective.   Obviously this goes well beyond the topic at hand, but applies towards any phenomena where the supernatural or spiritual or anything beyond what can be currently proven scientifically to what seems to me to be an arbitrary set of criteria is at issue.   Getting to the heart of mystery is about seeking the truth wherever that takes you, not merely clinging for dear life to a limited set of possibilities, or trying to mold reality to fit in with a limited worldview. And within that, I keep myself out of being hypocritical by remaining open to some mysteries being solved by that limited set of possibilities, but the universe and reality is just too vast for that kind of narrow framework. There is simply too much out there that can't be readily explained by the limits of what is considered scientific, logical and rational. Of course, however, if you embrace a wider worldview, those beliefs become logical and rational, even if they don't seem so from a more limited perspective.   Take all that for what you will, which if you're closed off to anything supernatural existing at all, will of course be zero, which makes this, unfortunately, a pointless conversation. No amount of verbal gymnastics will open someone's mind if they insist on keeping it closed.

Edited August 27, 2012 by rushgoober

[treeduck]

QUOTE (Ancient Ways @ Aug 26 2012, 06:58 PM)

QUOTE (treeduck @ Aug 26 2012, 07:49 PM) QUOTE (Ancient Ways @ Aug 26 2012, 06:39 PM) QUOTE (Mr. IsNot @ Aug 26 2012, 06:44 PM) QUOTE (rushgoober @ Aug 26 2012, 03:41 PM) QUOTE (substancewithoutstyle @ Aug 26 2012, 12:40 PM) QUOTE (treeduck @ Aug 26 2012, 02:34 PM) Hackpen Hill (3), nr Broad Hinton. Wiltshire. Reported 26th August. I wonder how many people it took to make this in the dead of night.   The funny thing is, whenever you see people who try and recreate crop circles to show them as a hoax, they always look horribly clumsy compared to the actual crop circles. I can't imagine the kind of operation it would take for a bunch of hoaxers to make a design this intricate and beautiful and mathematically perfect in one night without waking the entire countryside. Humans are pretty smart. what makes anyone think this was done in one night? There isn;t people flying around looking for these things so it could be done over days or nights. The farmer will probably notice a gang of men with planks and spirit levels...   And if he's in on it? They'll draw pigs and wagon wheels...

[treeduck]

QUOTE (JohnnyBlaze @ Aug 26 2012, 11:24 PM)

QUOTE (treeduck @ Aug 27 2012, 08:08 AM) QUOTE (substancewithoutstyle @ Aug 26 2012, 06:04 PM) QUOTE (treeduck @ Aug 26 2012, 05:59 PM) QUOTE (rushgoober @ Aug 26 2012, 05:53 PM) QUOTE (treeduck @ Aug 26 2012, 03:51 PM) QUOTE (Mr. IsNot @ Aug 26 2012, 05:31 PM) The Milky Way is what, 106 Light Years long? And we're somewhere on the outer middle... You're right, it would take a lifetime to travel this place, A bit more than a lifetime...   The Voyager spacecraft is traveling away from the Sun at a rate of 17.3 km/s. If Voyager were to travel to the center of our Galaxy, it would take more than 450,000,000 years to travel the 8 kpc. If it could travel at the speed of light, an impossibility due to Special Relativity, it would still take over 26,000 years to arrive!   At 17.3 km/s, it would take Voyager over 1,700,000,000 years to traverse the entire length of the Milky Way Galaxy. Even traveling at the speed of light, it would take nearly a hundred thousand years! This is of course assuming that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light, because of course nothing can exist that can't be proven scientifically with the information we presently have at hand. The world is still flat, just as scientists have always believed based on the unchanging information that has always existed. Aye...   And there are many sun-like stars that are millions of years older than Sol. Imagine where we will be in 10 million years, imagine us in 10 thousand. And would a civilization 10 million years more advanced than our own bother to try to communicate with us? Would we try to communicate with an anthill? Would the ants realise they were being contacted? Homo sapiens will be extinct in 10 million years. And...   Homo sapiens if they are extinct, will just have given way to a superior competitor... http://xrpg.rpcommunity.com/images/magneto.jpg

[Babycat]

QUOTE (treeduck @ Aug 26 2012, 08:34 PM)

Hackpen Hill (3), nr Broad Hinton. Wiltshire. Reported 26th August. http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2012/hackpenhill3/6259-HackpenObl.jpg http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2012/hackpenhill3/6254-HackpenOb.jpg http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2012/hackpenhill3/6184Hackpen3OH.jpg http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2012/hackpenhill3/6184-Hackpen3OH.jpg http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2012/hackpenhill3/6193-HackpenHorse.jpg

It's beautiful, but was it human-made or ..?

[Test4VitalSigns]

[Tombstone Mountain]

QUOTE (substancewithoutstyle @ Aug 26 2012, 02:40 PM)

QUOTE (treeduck @ Aug 26 2012, 02:34 PM) Hackpen Hill (3), nr Broad Hinton. Wiltshire. Reported 26th August. http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2012/hackpenhill3/6259-HackpenObl.jpg http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2012/hackpenhill3/6254-HackpenOb.jpg http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2012/hackpenhill3/6184Hackpen3OH.jpg http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2012/hackpenhill3/6184-Hackpen3OH.jpg http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2012/hackpenhill3/6193-HackpenHorse.jpg I wonder how many people it took to make this in the dead of night.   Can anybody just do this? I mean, this looks like the work of MIT grads compared to what's been done before...

[rushgoober]

QUOTE (Tombstone Mountain @ Aug 27 2012, 06:27 AM)

QUOTE (substancewithoutstyle @ Aug 26 2012, 02:40 PM) QUOTE (treeduck @ Aug 26 2012, 02:34 PM) Hackpen Hill (3), nr Broad Hinton. Wiltshire. Reported 26th August. http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2012/hackpenhill3/6259-HackpenObl.jpg http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2012/hackpenhill3/6254-HackpenOb.jpg http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2012/hackpenhill3/6184Hackpen3OH.jpg http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2012/hackpenhill3/6184-Hackpen3OH.jpg http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2012/hackpenhill3/6193-HackpenHorse.jpg I wonder how many people it took to make this in the dead of night.   Can anybody just do this? I mean, this looks like the work of MIT grads compared to what's been done before... Look it up online, there are HUNDREDS of them that are as involved as this one, and often even more intricate.   What's more plausible?   1. Dozens of engineers, designers and teams of individuals in the dead of night laying out string and surveying equipment and going through an incredibly arduous, intricate and involved process with a lot of supervision to do these highly involved and advanced shapes and patterns with mathematical precision that can only be seen from the sky, which would likely take tens, if not hundreds of man hours to do IN THE DARK, or more likely with bright lights without getting caught. Of course the bright lights would then need a source of electricity, or a bunch of loud generators, or would be run off a car battery, not considering that there are never tire tracks or even footprints or evidence of people having been there. And then of course there's the way the stalks are broken and changed at the cellular level. And then they're not even taking credit for it, but are doing it why, for the love of doing it? Because some generous hoaxer is bored and rich and is paying them to do it? To play a big joke on humanity? And then it's orchestrated by dozens or hundreds of people in several countries over decades?   OR   2. That some greater force that can do it quite easily is doing it for as of now unknown reasons.   Obviously for those who refuse to believe in anything supernatural, they'd rather believe the first option because at least that they can understand and it fits in with their worldview, even though it's pretty farfetched when you think about it. They have no choice but to believe in that option.   Yes, some crop circles are fake, and they tend to be the simpler ones. Some hoaxers have taken credit for some of them, but there are tons that no one has taken credit for, and many of these are INCREDIBLY complex - and beautiful. They look like very, very involved art projects that would take a tremendous amount of time and work and planning to bring about, even with a large team.   At the minimum it's a mystery, but some refuse to accept even that, and their world isn't right if they can't come up with a more rational explanation, no matter how implausible, so they never have to think that it could be something that they refuse to consider.

[Tombstone Mountain]

QUOTE (rushgoober @ Aug 27 2012, 11:33 AM)

QUOTE (Tombstone Mountain @ Aug 27 2012, 06:27 AM) QUOTE (substancewithoutstyle @ Aug 26 2012, 02:40 PM) QUOTE (treeduck @ Aug 26 2012, 02:34 PM) Hackpen Hill (3), nr Broad Hinton. Wiltshire. Reported 26th August. http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2012/hackpenhill3/6259-HackpenObl.jpg http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2012/hackpenhill3/6254-HackpenOb.jpg http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2012/hackpenhill3/6184Hackpen3OH.jpg http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2012/hackpenhill3/6184-Hackpen3OH.jpg http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2012/hackpenhill3/6193-HackpenHorse.jpg I wonder how many people it took to make this in the dead of night.   Can anybody just do this? I mean, this looks like the work of MIT grads compared to what's been done before... Look it up online, there are HUNDREDS of them that are as involved as this one, and often even more intricate.   What's more plausible?   1. Dozens of engineers, designers and teams of individuals in the dead of night laying out string and surveying equipment and going through an incredibly arduous, intricate and involved process with a lot of supervision to do these highly involved and advanced shapes and patterns with mathematical precision that can only be seen from the sky, which would likely take tens, if not hundreds of man hours to do IN THE DARK, or more likely with bright lights without getting caught. Of course the bright lights would then need a source of electricity, or a bunch of loud generators, or would be run off a car battery, not considering that there are never tire tracks or even footprints or evidence of people having been there. And then of course there's the way the stalks are broken and changed at the cellular level. And then they're not even taking credit for it, but are doing it why, for the love of doing it? Because some generous hoaxer is bored and rich and is paying them to do it? To play a big joke on humanity? And then it's orchestrated by dozens or hundreds of people in several countries over decades?   OR   2. That some greater force that can do it quite easily is doing it for as of now unknown reasons.   Obviously for those who refuse to believe in anything supernatural, they'd rather believe the first option because at least that they can understand and it fits in with their worldview, even though it's pretty farfetched when you think about it. They have no choice but to believe in that option.   Yes, some crop circles are fake, and they tend to be the simpler ones. Some hoaxers have taken credit for some of them, but there are tons that no one has taken credit for, and many of these are INCREDIBLY complex - and beautiful. They look like very, very involved art projects that would take a tremendous amount of time and work and planning to bring about, even with a large team.   At the minimum it's a mystery, but some refuse to accept even that, and their world isn't right if they can't come up with a more rational explanation, no matter how implausible, so they never have to think that it could be something that they refuse to consider. I'd like to see one more intricate...pretty complex. Art as expression I guess

[tel]

QUOTE (treeduck @ Aug 26 2012, 05:51 PM)

QUOTE (Mr. IsNot @ Aug 26 2012, 05:31 PM) The Milky Way is what, 106 Light Years long? And we're somewhere on the outer middle... You're right, it would take a lifetime to travel this place, A bit more than a lifetime...   The Voyager spacecraft is traveling away from the Sun at a rate of 17.3 km/s. If Voyager were to travel to the center of our Galaxy, it would take more than 450,000,000 years to travel the 8 kpc. If it could travel at the speed of light, an impossibility due to Special Relativity, it would still take over 26,000 years to arrive!   At 17.3 km/s, it would take Voyager over 1,700,000,000 years to traverse the entire length of the Milky Way Galaxy. Even traveling at the speed of light, it would take nearly a hundred thousand years! wormholes

[treeduck]

QUOTE (tel @ Aug 27 2012, 01:04 PM)

QUOTE (treeduck @ Aug 26 2012, 05:51 PM) QUOTE (Mr. IsNot @ Aug 26 2012, 05:31 PM) The Milky Way is what, 106 Light Years long? And we're somewhere on the outer middle... You're right, it would take a lifetime to travel this place, A bit more than a lifetime...   The Voyager spacecraft is traveling away from the Sun at a rate of 17.3 km/s. If Voyager were to travel to the center of our Galaxy, it would take more than 450,000,000 years to travel the 8 kpc. If it could travel at the speed of light, an impossibility due to Special Relativity, it would still take over 26,000 years to arrive!   At 17.3 km/s, it would take Voyager over 1,700,000,000 years to traverse the entire length of the Milky Way Galaxy. Even traveling at the speed of light, it would take nearly a hundred thousand years! wormholes Or star gates, or something else we can't even yet imagine...

[ILSnwdog]

QUOTE (Tombstone Mountain @ Aug 27 2012, 08:27 AM)

QUOTE (substancewithoutstyle @ Aug 26 2012, 02:40 PM) QUOTE (treeduck @ Aug 26 2012, 02:34 PM) Hackpen Hill (3), nr Broad Hinton. Wiltshire. Reported 26th August. http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2012/hackpenhill3/6259-HackpenObl.jpg http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2012/hackpenhill3/6254-HackpenOb.jpg http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2012/hackpenhill3/6184Hackpen3OH.jpg http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2012/hackpenhill3/6184-Hackpen3OH.jpg http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2012/hackpenhill3/6193-HackpenHorse.jpg I wonder how many people it took to make this in the dead of night.   Can anybody just do this? Only someone with a shit load of free time.

[Babycat]

QUOTE (ILSnwdog @ Aug 27 2012, 07:26 PM)

QUOTE (Tombstone Mountain @ Aug 27 2012, 08:27 AM) QUOTE (substancewithoutstyle @ Aug 26 2012, 02:40 PM) QUOTE (treeduck @ Aug 26 2012, 02:34 PM) Hackpen Hill (3), nr Broad Hinton. Wiltshire. Reported 26th August. http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2012/hackpenhill3/6259-HackpenObl.jpg http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2012/hackpenhill3/6254-HackpenOb.jpg http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2012/hackpenhill3/6184Hackpen3OH.jpg http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2012/hackpenhill3/6184-Hackpen3OH.jpg http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2012/hackpenhill3/6193-HackpenHorse.jpg I wonder how many people it took to make this in the dead of night.   Can anybody just do this? Only someone with a shit load of free time.

[Principled Man]

QUOTE (rushgoober @ Aug 27 2012, 11:33 AM)

At the minimum it's a mystery, but some refuse to accept even that, and their world isn't right if they can't come up with a more rational explanation, no matter how implausible, so they never have to think that it could be something that they refuse to consider.

 

There are many unknown and mysterious things in this world. Personally, I don't have any problem with it. It's impossible to know every little part of Life, the Universe, and Everything. All we can do is keep trying the best we can.

 

Now, if someone is suggesting that a "supernatural force" created many of these complex crop circles, then OK fine. However, if I am going to believe it, then I must be shown proof of the existence of this supernatural force. It's rather silly to simply say, "X created it" or "forces we don't understand created it"....and then expect anyone to accept that statement at face value. This is the irrational part that people refuse to consider.

 

Provide evidence of such a supernatural force, and many people will believe you. If you don't, then why should anyone listen to you? Provide evidence, and you will give people a rational explanation....and they will believe you.

 

 

 

 

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

 

-- Arthur C. Clarke

[Mr. Not]

It's legitimately concerning that people like goober reject research because of it being challenging an uninteresting (in their opinion) and instead just turn to an illogical and unrealistic assumption instead.

 

"so open minded that the brain falls out" certainly applies here.

[t2s]

QUOTE (Mr. IsNot @ Aug 27 2012, 01:17 PM)

It's legitimately concerning that people like goober reject research because of it being challenging an uninteresting (in their opinion) and instead just turn to an illogical and unrealistic assumption instead. "so open minded that the brain falls out" certainly applies here.

[HomesickAlien]

QUOTE (Workaholic Man @ Aug 27 2012, 03:10 PM)

QUOTE (rushgoober @ Aug 27 2012, 11:33 AM) At the minimum it's a mystery, but some refuse to accept even that, and their world isn't right if they can't come up with a more rational explanation, no matter how implausible, so they never have to think that it could be something that they refuse to consider.   There are many unknown and mysterious things in this world. Personally, I don't have any problem with it. It's impossible to know every little part of Life, the Universe, and Everything. All we can do is keep trying the best we can.   Now, if someone is suggesting that a "supernatural force" created many of these complex crop circles, then OK fine. However, if I am going to believe it, then I must be shown proof of the existence of this supernatural force. It's rather silly to simply say, "X created it" or "forces we don't understand created it"....and then expect anyone to accept that statement at face value. This is the irrational part that people refuse to consider.   Provide evidence of such a supernatural force, and many people will believe you. If you don't, then why should anyone listen to you? Provide evidence, and you will give people a rational explanation....and they will believe you.         Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.   -- Arthur C. Clarke Supernatural forces, by definition, exist outside the laws of nature, and can be neither proved nor disproved by science.   That's the beauty of claiming something is the work of a such a force. You don't have to prove anything.

[Principled Man]

QUOTE (substancewithoutstyle @ Aug 27 2012, 03:19 PM)

QUOTE (Workaholic Man @ Aug 27 2012, 03:10 PM) QUOTE (rushgoober @ Aug 27 2012, 11:33 AM) At the minimum it's a mystery, but some refuse to accept even that, and their world isn't right if they can't come up with a more rational explanation, no matter how implausible, so they never have to think that it could be something that they refuse to consider.   There are many unknown and mysterious things in this world. Personally, I don't have any problem with it. It's impossible to know every little part of Life, the Universe, and Everything. All we can do is keep trying the best we can.   Now, if someone is suggesting that a "supernatural force" created many of these complex crop circles, then OK fine. However, if I am going to believe it, then I must be shown proof of the existence of this supernatural force. It's rather silly to simply say, "X created it" or "forces we don't understand created it"....and then expect anyone to accept that statement at face value. This is the irrational part that people refuse to consider.   Provide evidence of such a supernatural force, and many people will believe you. If you don't, then why should anyone listen to you? Provide evidence, and you will give people a rational explanation....and they will believe you.         Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.   -- Arthur C. Clarke Supernatural forces, by definition, exist outside the laws of nature, and can be neither proved nor disproved by science.   That's the beauty of claiming something is the work of a such a force. You don't have to prove anything.     Agree 100% 1,000 years ago, TV, telephone, and airplanes would have been considered supernatural forces. Hell, even a flashlight may have been seen as magic. But, take those devices apart, show the people how they work, and it's no longer magic to them. It's no longer supernatural.   I've been accused (elsewhere; not here at TRF) of having an "anti-supernatural bias", to which I've responded, "How do you mean? How can I be biased against something that has never been proven to exist? Show it to me, and I'll believe it! Don't just tell me about it...SHOW ME!! "

[rushgoober]

QUOTE (Workaholic Man @ Aug 27 2012, 01:10 PM)

QUOTE (rushgoober @ Aug 27 2012, 11:33 AM) At the minimum it's a mystery, but some refuse to accept even that, and their world isn't right if they can't come up with a more rational explanation, no matter how implausible, so they never have to think that it could be something that they refuse to consider.   There are many unknown and mysterious things in this world. Personally, I don't have any problem with it. It's impossible to know every little part of Life, the Universe, and Everything. All we can do is keep trying the best we can.   Now, if someone is suggesting that a "supernatural force" created many of these complex crop circles, then OK fine. However, if I am going to believe it, then I must be shown proof of the existence of this supernatural force. It's rather silly to simply say, "X created it" or "forces we don't understand created it"....and then expect anyone to accept that statement at face value. This is the irrational part that people refuse to consider.   Provide evidence of such a supernatural force, and many people will believe you. If you don't, then why should anyone listen to you? Provide evidence, and you will give people a rational explanation....and they will believe you.         Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.   -- Arthur C. Clarke And that's always the impasse. We can't prove it's supernatural any more than we can prove it's natural. It all then boils down to what makes sense to you. If you're open to supernatural anything, it's really a FAR more logical option than the enormity of time and work it would take for a team of people to do these under virtually impossible circumstances.

[rushgoober]

QUOTE (Mr. IsNot @ Aug 27 2012, 01:17 PM)

It's legitimately concerning that people like goober reject research because of it being challenging an uninteresting (in their opinion) and instead just turn to an illogical and unrealistic assumption instead. "so open minded that the brain falls out" certainly applies here.

If your research legitimately explained easily and rationally the creation of each crop circle, that's one thing, but it simply can't. You consider what I believe to be outlandish, and vice-versa. Again an impasse. I'm way too open minded, you're way too closed minded, no one budges an inch, the end.