Gedneil Alpeart Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 When HF released as a single a month or two before the full album, I remember reading a lot of criticism about it here and elsewhere. Now that we hear the song in the full album context, it seems to have gathered higher praise when I see song ratings and other comments about the song since the album release. For me too, I liked it more in the context of the full album, but Im wondering why. Yes, we now have the whole story for the song to be heard in lyrical context, but even musically, it just jumps out at me much better than it did when I first heard it. Im wondering if the song prior to it, Wreckers, increased my liking for HF more due to some of the contrasts between the two songs. Interesting how hearing some songs consecutively can influence our opinion of the individual songs than just hearing them in isolation.....kind of like the perceptual illusion of seeing the same color darker or brighter depending on which other color it's paired with, making it not look like the same color or hue. Anyone else share a similar experience? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombstone Mountain Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 QUOTE (Gedneil Alpeart @ Jul 23 2012, 07:53 PM) When HF released as a single a month or two before the full album, I remember reading a lot of criticism about it here and elsewhere. Now that we hear the song in the full album context, it seems to have gathered higher praise when I see song ratings and other comments about the song since the album release. For me too, I liked it more in the context of the full album, but Im wondering why. Yes, we now have the whole story for the song to be heard in lyrical context, but even musically, it just jumps out at me much better than it did when I first heard it. Im wondering if the song prior to it, Wreckers, increased my liking for HF more due to some of the contrasts between the two songs. Interesting how hearing some songs consecutively can influence our opinion of the individual songs than just hearing them in isolation.....kind of like the perceptual illusion of seeing the same color darker or brighter depending on which other color it's paired with, making it not look like the same color or hue. Anyone else share a similar experience? Bu2b and clock angels did something quite similar for me. Interesting observations. Keep em coming brudda!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchemingDemon Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Yeah, I actually love Headlong Flight a lot more now that we've got it in context. Same with Caravan, but not really BU2B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CygnusGal Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 I keep loving the album with each spin and find all of songs exceptionally well crafted (yes, even the much maligned BU2B2...lots of love from this camp). I believe the album is magnificent, certainly their strongest effort since Moving Pictures though I am still waiting for the honeymoon to wear off and won't truly know until this time next year when the NA tour is over and I replay the album to see how it holds up. I think it will do very, very well over time. Loving all of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gedneil Alpeart Posted July 24, 2012 Author Share Posted July 24, 2012 QUOTE (CygnusGal @ Jul 23 2012, 08:41 PM) I keep loving the album with each spin and find all of songs exceptionally well crafted (yes, even the much maligned BU2B2...lots of love from this camp). I believe the album is magnificent, certainly their strongest effort since Moving Pictures though I am still waiting for the honeymoon to wear off and won't truly know until this time next year when the NA tour is over and I replay the album to see how it holds up. I think it will do very, very well over time. Loving all of it. Agree word for word with you, except that I think it's their strongest since Signals. But, aren't you glad that you're loving it so much? Would suck to have to wait for so long for a Rush album only to be disappointed. Glad I'm not one of them! Yeah, hopefully it holds up well over time and like you, I predict it will! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CygnusGal Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 QUOTE (Gedneil Alpeart @ Jul 23 2012, 09:46 PM)QUOTE (CygnusGal @ Jul 23 2012, 08:41 PM) I keep loving the album with each spin and find all of songs exceptionally well crafted (yes, even the much maligned BU2B2...lots of love from this camp). I believe the album is magnificent, certainly their strongest effort since Moving Pictures though I am still waiting for the honeymoon to wear off and won't truly know until this time next year when the NA tour is over and I replay the album to see how it holds up. I think it will do very, very well over time. Loving all of it. Agree word for word with you, except that I think it's their strongest since Signals. But, aren't you glad that you're loving it so much? Would suck to have to wait for so long for a Rush album only to be disappointed. Glad I'm not one of them! Yeah, hopefully it holds up well over time and like you, I predict it will! Wish Them Well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYM86 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 I wasn't big on the lyrics when it was a single and I'm still not, but I've always loved everything else about the song. Absolutely rocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eshine Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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rushgoober Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 QUOTE (Tombstone Mountain @ Jul 23 2012, 06:00 PM) QUOTE (Gedneil Alpeart @ Jul 23 2012, 07:53 PM) When HF released as a single a month or two before the full album, I remember reading a lot of criticism about it here and elsewhere. Now that we hear the song in the full album context, it seems to have gathered higher praise when I see song ratings and other comments about the song since the album release. For me too, I liked it more in the context of the full album, but Im wondering why. Yes, we now have the whole story for the song to be heard in lyrical context, but even musically, it just jumps out at me much better than it did when I first heard it. Im wondering if the song prior to it, Wreckers, increased my liking for HF more due to some of the contrasts between the two songs. Interesting how hearing some songs consecutively can influence our opinion of the individual songs than just hearing them in isolation.....kind of like the perceptual illusion of seeing the same color darker or brighter depending on which other color it's paired with, making it not look like the same color or hue. Anyone else share a similar experience? Bu2b and clock angels did something quite similar for me. Interesting observations. Keep em coming brudda!!! Caravan and BU2B grew on me immensely in context. Headlong Flight didn't, as I thought they lyrics were great regardless.. Don't get me wrong, it's a GREAT song, but it was growing and growing on me prior to the album being released. It's one of the best songs on the album, but not necessarily because of context. In fact, it works brilliantly on its own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
condemned2bfree Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 So rewarding to listen to this album in one. It works so well as a collective piece. Each song links up. Hard pushed to think of a rush album that does this so well. Reminds me of Pink floyd's dsotm, for flowing ability~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tangy Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 i love all the references to their old material. the best i can the necromancer like narration but most especially i love the fact that they are still ing.... I have stoked the fire on the big steel wheels- clearly a nod to a passage to bangkok. Steered the airship right across the stars- On my ship, the Rocinante Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anchorman Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 QUOTE (Gedneil Alpeart @ Jul 23 2012, 08:46 PM) QUOTE (CygnusGal @ Jul 23 2012, 08:41 PM) I keep loving the album with each spin and find all of songs exceptionally well crafted (yes, even the much maligned BU2B2...lots of love from this camp). I believe the album is magnificent, certainly their strongest effort since Moving Pictures though I am still waiting for the honeymoon to wear off and won't truly know until this time next year when the NA tour is over and I replay the album to see how it holds up. I think it will do very, very well over time. Loving all of it. Agree word for word with you, except that I think it's their strongest since Signals. But, aren't you glad that you're loving it so much? Would suck to have to wait for so long for a Rush album only to be disappointed. Glad I'm not one of them! Yeah, hopefully it holds up well over time and like you, I predict it will! Too funny. I consider it the strongest since Grace Under Pressure. There wasn't a weak track on that old album. Can you believe its been over 28 years ago ? I remember listening to it non-stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gompers Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 It grew on me quite a bit. One of the top 5 on the release. Sadly, others though have countered its greatness to drag the album experience down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Enemy Without Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 The story doesn't really interest me compared to other great concept albums. Context didn't really do much. I think it has something with not being able to understand Geddy without reading the lyrics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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rushgoober Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 QUOTE (An Enemy Without @ Jul 24 2012, 08:37 AM) The story doesn't really interest me compared to other great concept albums. Context didn't really do much. I think it has something with not being able to understand Geddy without reading the lyrics. That doesn't make any sense to me with this song in particular. I remember when the song was released prior to the album and we were able to decipher almost all of the lyrics pretty quickly. Other songs on the album are harder to get without the liner notes... but that's often been the case with Rush for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rushman14 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 QUOTE (Tombstone Mountain @ Jul 24 2012, 08:40 AM) Best since Permanent Waves in my book. better than Moving Pictures? does not compute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gompers Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 QUOTE (Rushman14 @ Jul 24 2012, 11:56 AM) QUOTE (Tombstone Mountain @ Jul 24 2012, 08:40 AM) Best since Permanent Waves in my book. better than Moving Pictures? does not compute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombstone Mountain Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 QUOTE (Gompers @ Jul 24 2012, 10:59 AM) QUOTE (Rushman14 @ Jul 24 2012, 11:56 AM) QUOTE (Tombstone Mountain @ Jul 24 2012, 08:40 AM) Best since Permanent Waves in my book. better than Moving Pictures? does not compute. Does not compute....hmmmmm....sounds like an old commodore 64 model yer workin with there! Moving Pictures is a great album no doubt. Clockwork Angels is just better. I know, I know...now I'll be the subject of a witch hunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rushgoober Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 QUOTE (Tombstone Mountain @ Jul 24 2012, 09:08 AM) QUOTE (Gompers @ Jul 24 2012, 10:59 AM) QUOTE (Rushman14 @ Jul 24 2012, 11:56 AM) QUOTE (Tombstone Mountain @ Jul 24 2012, 08:40 AM) Best since Permanent Waves in my book. better than Moving Pictures? does not compute. Does not compute....hmmmmm....sounds like an old commodore 64 model yer workin with there! Moving Pictures is a great album no doubt. Clockwork Angels is just better. I know, I know...now I'll be the subject of a witch hunt. More like subject of a wrong hunt since you're wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Enemy Without Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 QUOTE (rushgoober @ Jul 24 2012, 10:53 AM) QUOTE (An Enemy Without @ Jul 24 2012, 08:37 AM) The story doesn't really interest me compared to other great concept albums. Context didn't really do much. I think it has something with not being able to understand Geddy without reading the lyrics. That doesn't make any sense to me with this song in particular. I remember when the song was released prior to the album and we were able to decipher almost all of the lyrics pretty quickly. Other songs on the album are harder to get without the liner notes... but that's often been the case with Rush for a long time. But even if you get the lyrics to HF, it doesn't really matter for context if you don't understand the context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombstone Mountain Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 QUOTE (rushgoober @ Jul 24 2012, 11:11 AM) QUOTE (Tombstone Mountain @ Jul 24 2012, 09:08 AM) QUOTE (Gompers @ Jul 24 2012, 10:59 AM) QUOTE (Rushman14 @ Jul 24 2012, 11:56 AM) QUOTE (Tombstone Mountain @ Jul 24 2012, 08:40 AM) Best since Permanent Waves in my book. better than Moving Pictures? does not compute. Does not compute....hmmmmm....sounds like an old commodore 64 model yer workin with there! Moving Pictures is a great album no doubt. Clockwork Angels is just better. I know, I know...now I'll be the subject of a witch hunt. More like subject of a wrong hunt since you're wrong. When you go to your Moving Pictures support group, do you wear a Fez and tassle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
losingit2k Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 (edited) I loved this songs as soon at was released. However, Now I have grown to appreciate it even more as the highlight or Climax of Clockwork Angels. The Album is a beautifully constructed work, culminating into a climax with Headlong Flight. The three tunes that follow are more of a tacet or reflection of the story or character. Telling us how the main character ended up. Like the final saliloquy. If it were Star Wars, (Headlong Flight) would be the attach and destruction of the 2nd Death Star, While BU2B2, Wish them Well and The Garden, Would be all that Followed, from Leia's Reveal to Han(BU2B2) The Ewok Celebration (Wish them Well) The Burning of Darth Vader body and Apparitions in the Force (The Garden)! Ok, Nerdy I know, But who cares, it was only a matter of time before I would join my two loves. Rush and Star Wars! Regardless, All the songs prior to Headlong Flight lead incredibly into Headlong FLight. Its Awesome, and another Instant modern Rush Classic. Edited July 24, 2012 by losingit2k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombstone Mountain Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 QUOTE (losingit2k @ Jul 24 2012, 11:31 AM) I loved this songs as soon at was released. However. Now I have grown to appreciate it as the highlight or Climax of Clockwork Angels. The Album is a beautifully constructed work, culminating into a climax with Headlong Flight. The three tunes that follow are more of a tacet or reflection of the story or character. Telling us how the main character ended up. Like the final saliloquy. If it were Star Wars, (Headlong Flight) would be the attach and destruction of the 2nd Death Star, While BU2B2, Wish them Well and The Garden, Would be all that Followed, from Leia's Reveal to Han(BU2B2) The Ewok Celebration (Wish them Well) The Burning of Darth Vader body and Apparitions in the Force (The Garden)! Ok, Nerdy I know, But who cares, it was only a matter of time before I would join my two loves. Rush and Star Wars! Regardless, All the songs prior to Headlong Flight lead incredibly into Headlong FLight. Its Awesome, and another Instant modern Rush Classic. Thank you Obi Wan Kenobi---you were our only hope!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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