Nightwish

[Nova Carmina]

10 minutes ago, J2112YYZ said:

Floor has breast cancer 😟

 

https://blabbermouth.net/news/nightwishs-floor-jansen-diagnosed-with-breast-cancer

Oh no; that's terrible. Sending positive thoughts her way.

[Segue Myles]

2 hours ago, J2112YYZ said:

Floor has breast cancer 😟

 

https://blabbermouth.net/news/nightwishs-floor-jansen-diagnosed-with-breast-cancer

I saw this on Facebook. It's awful, but she said she has fantastic chances.

 

Scary thing to have to go through though.

[TheAccountant]

10 hours ago, J2112YYZ said:

Floor has breast cancer 😟

 

https://blabbermouth.net/news/nightwishs-floor-jansen-diagnosed-with-breast-cancer

 

This is terrible news.  Lets hope for the best.  

 

[J2112YYZ]

Floor's surgery went well.

 

https://blabbermouth.net/news/nightwish-singers-breast-cancer-surgery-went-well

[J2112YYZ]

They will release an album next year but they won't be touring for it. I wonder if losing Marco was too big of a blow and Tuomas may be thinking about ending the band.

 

https://www.nightwish.com/news/nightwish-new-album-coming-out-2024

[TheAccountant]

37 minutes ago, J2112YYZ said:

They will release an album next year but they won't be touring for it. I wonder if losing Marco was too big of a blow and Tuomas may be thinking about ending the band.

 

https://www.nightwish.com/news/nightwish-new-album-coming-out-2024

 Plus doesn't Floor have a solo album out?  Thats another sign of things changing.  I thought I saw a video that was released for a song she did for a solo album.

[J2112YYZ]

59 minutes ago, TheAccountant said:

 Plus doesn't Floor have a solo album out?  Thats another sign of things changing.  I thought I saw a video that was released for a song she did for a solo album.

 

The album is out. It's more mellow and pop oriented but all the songs got some really catchy melodies. Not much to it musically. The songs are carried by Floor's vocals. At 38 minutes, I find it an enjoyable and easy listen. Tuomas and Troy also have a folk rock band called Auri with Tuomas's wife on lead vocals. I think saying this far out that they won't be touring is a telling sign that their future is very much up in the air.

Edited April 8, 2023 by J2112YYZ

[TheAccountant]

32 minutes ago, J2112YYZ said:

 

The album is out. It's more mellow and pop oriented but all the songs got some really catchy melodies. Not much to it musically. The songs are carried by Floor's vocals. At 38 minutes, I find it an enjoyable and easy listen. Tuomas and Troy also have a folk rock band called Auri with Tuomas's wife on lead vocals. I think saying this far out that they won't be touring is a telling sign that their future is very much up in the air.

 I will have to check out Floors album.  I also had no idea that Troy and Thomas had a side project.  Thomas's wife on vocals?  That sounds....interesting.  More music I will have to check out.  Did not know about it.  Thanks.

[Segue Myles]

9 hours ago, J2112YYZ said:

They will release an album next year but they won't be touring for it. I wonder if losing Marco was too big of a blow and Tuomas may be thinking about ending the band.

 

https://www.nightwish.com/news/nightwish-new-album-coming-out-2024

Doesn't help that he's going on tour with Tarja.

 

Something has changed within Nightwish, and it's not the lineup. It's the vibe.

[bluefox4000]

will how messed up the band sounds i can only think the new album will be a shit show.

 

And Human nature was no prize anyway.

 

Mick

[Segue Myles]

3 minutes ago, bluefox4000 said:

will how messed up the band sounds i can only think the new album will be a shit show.

 

And Human nature was no prize anyway.

 

Mick

I'm not sure what to expect. Nightwish Remain one of my top favourite bands, but at this point it feels more nostalgia than what it is they are currently.

[TheAccountant]

Its official - the new Nightwish album will be released September 20th with the first single being released May 21'st.  Lets hope they can also recapture some of their past spitting like so many bands seem to have done this year (e.g. Priest, Saxon, Accept) and that its not a continuation of their last dud of an album

[Segue Myles]

11 hours ago, TheAccountant said:

Its official - the new Nightwish album will be released September 20th with the first single being released May 21'st.  Lets hope they can also recapture some of their past spitting like so many bands seem to have done this year (e.g. Priest, Saxon, Accept) and that its not a continuation of their last dud of an album

Nightwish went from being my BIGGEST obsession for over a decade to

 

 

Tumbleweeds 

 

The last album did nothing for me. It's not even a bad album, it's objectively brilliant in so many ways...but the pretension that has always been a big charm for me went right up their arse and turned me off.

[Segue Myles]

And I have about 0.5% of the excitement I normally have for a new Nightwish. And that's probably me being generous.

[TheAccountant]

9 hours ago, Segue Myles said:

Nightwish went from being my BIGGEST obsession for over a decade to

 

 

Tumbleweeds 

 

The last album did nothing for me. It's not even a bad album, it's objectively brilliant in so many ways...but the pretension that has always been a big charm for me went right up their arse and turned me off.

IMO to say that the last album was not even bad is not accurate - for me its terrible.  I just can't listen to it.  Just hoping that this is somewhat more in line with their earlier work.  From what a guy I work with told me the first song on the album is 8+ minutes in length.  Sigh.  Lets hope for the best.

[bluefox4000]

58 minutes ago, TheAccountant said:

IMO to say that the last album was not even bad is not accurate - for me its terrible.  I just can't listen to it.  Just hoping that this is somewhat more in line with their earlier work.  From what a guy I work with told me the first song on the album is 8+ minutes in length.  Sigh.  Lets hope for the best.

 

i must say i agree.  Nightwish is one of Segues fav bands so he's being generous IMO. it stunk.

 

and the 2nd disc is one of the most useless in music history.  they better come up with something because the last was effortless and in a bad way........they didn't try, lol

 

 

Mick

 

Edited May 9, 2024 by bluefox4000

[Segue Myles]

10 hours ago, bluefox4000 said:

 

i must say i agree.  Nightwish is one of Segues fav bands so he's being generous IMO. it stunk.

 

and the 2nd disc is one of the most useless in music history.  they better come up with something because the last was effortless and in a bad way........they didn't try, lol

 

 

Mick

 

I think musically, its well written. Production: superb. Performances: strong.

 

What the album lacked was hooks, the lyrics: twaddle, and not in a way that Nightwish shine at. A lot of songs go nowhere after intriguing starts. And I praise Floor for a very technical vocal performance throughout, but I shake my head at why, with a powerhouse vocalist, we have such...bland songs.

 

There is a lot to praise, I think it's like a Chrostopher Nolan movie: well made, but soulless.

 

But I can't call it a terrible album. Song for song, I enjoy all the tracks individually. Harvest, The Shoemaker, Pan, Endlessness, Music: if this album was as good as the sum of its parts, it would be a favourite. Its just for me, all the tracks merge in the worst way, and the album, for all its beauty, is too mid-paced, and there are no moments on the album that surprised me or took my breath away. That's something Nightwish had never, ever failed to do before with a new album.

 

And the folk influences are too much. They aren't as good as, say, Leaves' Eyes at incorporating folk elements. And for intelligent themes, and songs that take time to unfold...Epica has them beat. 

 

It also didn't help that around the time this came out, the most recent Epica arrived and that was spectacular. 

Edited May 9, 2024 by Segue Myles

[Segue Myles]

I think sometimes listeners are too eager to put an album either in the "terrible" or "absolute classic" pile.

 

I'm a huge fan of the three star album. Sometimes an album I hold dear, that I could call a "classic" in my eyes, is clearly not.

 

Lightning Bolt by Pearl Jam. Mirage by Fleetwood Mac. No Prayer For The Dying by Iron Maiden. I love all three, but I can hear why they aren't more revered as classics. And so what?

 

And on that note, that's how I feel about Human Nature. Only I have no feelings towards it. Its a 3/5 release, and I can't fathom how any discerning listeners could insist it's truly "terrible" when clearly...its a well written collection of songs, it's just not on the high level we expect from them. And I've seen fans adore Human Nature, but I've also seen fans truly hate Endless Forms Most Beautiful. 

 

So yeah, when I defend Human Nature, it comes from me trying to be objective. The album has much to merit, and that alone is why you don't see me screaming it's lack of value. It's just, as a long term Nightwish fan, it left me wanting more, knowing what this band is capable of.

 

Unfortunately, it also saw the band lose my interest. And that's fine. But there are albums of equal value in other bands catalogues that I love a whole lot more, but can see why others might not. 

 

Not everything is 1/10 or 10/10.

[bluefox4000]

11 minutes ago, Segue Myles said:

I think sometimes listeners are too eager to put an album either in the "terrible" or "absolute classic" pile.

 

I'm a huge fan of the three star album. Sometimes an album I hold dear, that I could call a "classic" in my eyes, is clearly not.

 

Lightning Bolt by Pearl Jam. Mirage by Fleetwood Mac. No Prayer For The Dying by Iron Maiden. I love all three, but I can hear why they aren't more revered as classics. And so what?

 

And on that note, that's how I feel about Human Nature. Only I have no feelings towards it. Its a 3/5 release, and I can't fathom how any discerning listeners could insist it's truly "terrible" when clearly...its a well written collection of songs, it's just not on the high level we expect from them. And I've seen fans adore Human Nature, but I've also seen fans truly hate Endless Forms Most Beautiful. 

 

So yeah, when I defend Human Nature, it comes from me trying to be objective. The album has much to merit, and that alone is why you don't see me screaming it's lack of value. It's just, as a long term Nightwish fan, it left me wanting more, knowing what this band is capable of.

 

Unfortunately, it also saw the band lose my interest. And that's fine. But there are albums of equal value in other bands catalogues that I love a whole lot more, but can see why others might not. 

 

Not everything is 1/10 or 10/10.

 

 

i agree a little........BUT (cause i've always got one)  i think a worse sin is for a record to be mid.  Cause then i feel zero towards it.

 

at least if it's awful and i hate a lot it's getting a reaction.

 

this album never did......so in my book.....it fails.

 

Mick

[Segue Myles]

10 minutes ago, bluefox4000 said:

 

 

i agree a little........BUT (cause i've always got one)  i think a worse sin is for a record to be mid.  Cause then i feel zero towards it.

 

at least if it's awful and i hate a lot it's getting a reaction.

 

this album never did......so in my book.....it fails.

 

Mick

Definitely. And the worst thing is a mid album you also struggle to enjoy. 

 

I mentioned those titles above because I don't think any of them are PEAKS of the bands discography or the genre they belong too. But I love them.

 

Human Nature is on those albums level to my ears, it's just there lacks in me a personal connection.

 

I did wonder if maybe I was losing interest in this style, but listening to Rhapsody, Blind Guardian, Epica, older Nightwish...nah, I love it still. I just think the style is...a bit meandering atm

[Segue Myles]

22 minutes ago, bluefox4000 said:

 

 

i agree a little........BUT (cause i've always got one)  i think a worse sin is for a record to be mid.  Cause then i feel zero towards it.

 

at least if it's awful and i hate a lot it's getting a reaction.

 

this album never did......so in my book.....it fails.

 

Mick

So you call it mid...then way its worse than a bad album lol.

 

To me, worse than a mid album, is a bad album. 🤣

[bluefox4000]

1 minute ago, Segue Myles said:

So you call it mid...then way its worse than a bad album lol.

 

To me, worse than a mid album, is a bad album. 🤣

 

 

but segue we spend way too many hours talking about bad albums......so who has won.

 

Mick

[Segue Myles]

5 minutes ago, bluefox4000 said:

 

 

but segue we spend way too many hours talking about bad albums......so who has won.

 

Mick

COMMON SENSE AND REASON, FOR SPARTA, FOR FREEDOM, FREE BRITNEY

 

or something like that. I don't know. 

[J2112YYZ]

5 hours ago, Segue Myles said:

I think musically, its well written. Production: superb. Performances: strong.

 

What the album lacked was hooks, the lyrics: twaddle, and not in a way that Nightwish shine at. A lot of songs go nowhere after intriguing starts. And I praise Floor for a very technical vocal performance throughout, but I shake my head at why, with a powerhouse vocalist, we have such...bland songs.

 

There is a lot to praise, I think it's like a Chrostopher Nolan movie: well made, but soulless.

 

But I can't call it a terrible album. Song for song, I enjoy all the tracks individually. Harvest, The Shoemaker, Pan, Endlessness, Music: if this album was as good as the sum of its parts, it would be a favourite. Its just for me, all the tracks merge in the worst way, and the album, for all its beauty, is too mid-paced, and there are no moments on the album that surprised me or took my breath away. That's something Nightwish had never, ever failed to do before with a new album.

 

And the folk influences are too much. They aren't as good as, say, Leaves' Eyes at incorporating folk elements. And for intelligent themes, and songs that take time to unfold...Epica has them beat. 

 

It also didn't help that around the time this came out, the most recent Epica arrived and that was spectacular. 

 

You've summed up how I feel about the album too. The songs were solid but they were all missing something. The other issue I had was Tuomas exploring the same song topics for the second album in a row. He did a great job with it on Endless Forms but kind of drove the theme into the ground on Human Nature. Hooray mother earth, boo technology was fine for one album but didn't need to continue for another album. I don't understand why Floor is so reserved with her singing on both albums. Maybe she wants to make sure she can perform everything live without straining her voice too much. I don't know.

Edited May 9, 2024 by J2112YYZ

[Segue Myles]

8 minutes ago, J2112YYZ said:

 

You've summed up how I feel about the album too. The songs were solid but they were all missing something. The other issue I had was Tuomas exploring the same song topics for the second album in a row. He did a great job with it on Endless Forms but kind of drove the theme into the ground on Human Nature. Hooray mother earth, boo technology was fine for one album but didn't need to continue for another album. I don't understand why Floor is so reserved with her singing on both albums. Maybe she wants to make sure she can perform everything live without straining her voice too much. I don't know.

Her solo work suggests she's dialling it back. I mean, After Forever exists if you want to hear her at her best. But yeah, EFMB made sense as it seemed to carry the flavour of the two previous albums. But on Human Nature, I missed Annette. 

 

Speaking of Annette, her post Nightwish work is FANTASTIC.