Me hear tool in rush,

[GeminiRising79]

QUOTE (MMCXII @ Mar 4 2011, 12:28 AM)

I think Neil's the tool in Rush.. well someone was going to say it lol

Lol. That was good...and fairly accurate!

[Cygnals]

I always thought the beginning riff in BU2B is similar to that riff in "Ticks & Leeches" right before the slow breakdown in the middle of the song.

[Hear Again]

What would be a good Tool album to start with?

Considering Hemispheres is my fave.

 

Thanks!

 

Take Care

[Good,bad,andrush]

QUOTE (Hear Again @ Mar 5 2011, 05:06 PM)

What would be a good Tool album to start with? Considering Hemispheres is my fave. Thanks! Take Care

If you're really into prog, you might enjoy 10000 days best. But aenema is a great deal of fun.

[Mr. Not]

QUOTE (trenken @ Mar 4 2011, 05:38 AM)

Tool is probably a modern version of Rush.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y120/Fatalis_Prime/Rage.gif

[Hear Again]

QUOTE (Good,bad,andrush @ Mar 5 2011, 06:07 PM)

QUOTE (Hear Again @ Mar 5 2011, 05:06 PM) What would be a good Tool album to start with? Considering Hemispheres is my fave. Thanks! Take Care If you're really into prog, you might enjoy 10000 days best. But aenema is a great deal of fun. Thanks! I'll check these out.   Take Care

[spock]

I've posted here before saying that "Freeze" is a re-working of a common TOOL riff. I read an article a couple of years ago where Alex listed his top 10 favorite songs - Third Eye was one of them. You can definitely hear the rhythm from Third Eye throughout Freeze.

 

I think the best similarity between the bands is that they both write the music they want to write - not trying to make the Top 10 Charts, just authentic prog rock!

 

And, if you like both of them, check out "Sound Awake" by Karnivool. I've been listening to that CD for more than a month - it's worth listening for the drumming alone.

[WCFIELDS]

QUOTE (Hear Again @ Mar 5 2011, 04:06 PM)

What would be a good Tool album to start with? Considering Hemispheres is my fave. Thanks! Take Care

Aenima

Lateralus

Undertow

 

in that order..

[okiimatsu]

I've always recognized similarities in Rush from Holst and his Planets Suite. That piece of music was ahead of its time and still is highly influential.

[ucsteve667]

QUOTE (WCFIELDS @ Apr 16 2011, 10:02 PM)

QUOTE (Hear Again @ Mar 5 2011, 04:06 PM) What would be a good Tool album to start with? Considering Hemispheres is my fave. Thanks! Take Care Aenima Lateralus Undertow   in that order.. fer me its Opiate Aenima Undertow salival thats my order   And maynard is probably the best singer in our generation ive ever seen live

[Tony R]

QUOTE (trenken @ Mar 4 2011, 02:38 PM)

Their time signature work is mind bending sometimes, weirder than anything Rush ever did. They have many songs with really odd time signatures, they go into half time in some songs, like 5.5/8, and then switch it up constantly in the same song. Really complex, they make it work though. Big respect.

 

 

 

 

 

[zogoto]

I often attempt to give Tool a chance every now and then, and it has never clicked. I always get the impression they're trying too hard to be 'dark' and 'heavy'. I don't care for their singer very much either. That's just me though.

 

edit: missing a word.

[ReflectedLight]

QUOTE (losingit2k @ Mar 4 2011, 08:36 AM)

If anyone is influencing RUSH its Nick! The newsound is Nick at the boards. if you listen to the last Alice In Chains which he produced, it has the same sound basically! Nick is the new influence!

[Good,bad,andrush]

QUOTE (zogoto @ Apr 17 2011, 05:03 AM)

I often attempt to give Tool a chance every now and then, and it has never clicked. I always get the impression they're trying too hard to be 'dark' and 'heavy'. I don't care for their singer very much either. That's just me though. edit: missing a word.

I don't think it sounds like they're trying. That's Dream Theater although I love Dream Theater

 

Tool doesn't even sound so dark and heavy...to me it's just a little anger mixed with intellect and a little bit of all other emotions. Listen to H.

[Soni]

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/216139_1965602786807_1445014825_32225426_2095310_n.jpg

I hear Rush in Tool... but not much the other way around...

[J0N]

QUOTE (Kenneth @ Mar 6 2011, 02:04 AM)

QUOTE (trenken @ Mar 4 2011, 05:38 AM) Tool is probably a modern version of Rush. http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y120/Fatalis_Prime/Rage.gif Why don't you think so?

[1-0-0-1-0-0-1]

QUOTE (Good @ bad,andrush,Mar 4 2011, 03:05 PM)

QUOTE (mmclarney @ Mar 4 2011, 01:55 PM) QUOTE (trenken @ Mar 4 2011, 08:51 AM) Actually I think Schism is the one the band says is in 5.5/8 time. Starts at like 40 seconds in. Cool bass line. I used to think this altered from 5/8 to 6/8, but if you follow it along it doesnt work, so it is actually 5.5/8. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhjG47gtMCo No such thing as 5.5/8 time, guys. There's no such thing as half a beat in musical notation. I know what you're getting at though. The way you're counting it, it's really 11/16. yeah, I was thinking of this all day. It can't be 5/8 to 6/8, so I was thinking it must be a slow 11/16. Believe it or not, fractional time sigs do exist. At least, according to Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_signature (see the section entitled "Other variants"). The info seems accurate as they give examples of classical works that employ these time sigs.   And there's a Wiki page for "Schism" and the time sigs it uses. At one point it says, "The band has referred to the time signature as 6.5/8. Although many composers would use 13/16 instead, 6.5/8 is still a valid fractional time signature." (I think that refers to the chorus section where the guitar joins in, right after "...communication.") Of course, this is the kind of Wiki page that most likely comes from the mind of some bloke on the internet, so who knows how accurate it is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schism_%28song%29   However, I wouldn't put it past the guys in Tool to say that just to appear overly clever as a joke. That main bass riff is easily notated in alternating 5/8 and 7/8, or in 12/8 if you really wanted to simplify it (my take on it, at least):   http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/1001001/guitar_tabs/schismbass.jpg

[Good,bad,andrush]

QUOTE (1-0-0-1-0-0-1 @ Apr 17 2011, 02:24 PM)

QUOTE (Good @ bad,andrush,Mar 4 2011, 03:05 PM) QUOTE (mmclarney @ Mar 4 2011, 01:55 PM) QUOTE (trenken @ Mar 4 2011, 08:51 AM) Actually I think Schism is the one the band says is in 5.5/8 time. Starts at like 40 seconds in. Cool bass line. I used to think this altered from 5/8 to 6/8, but if you follow it along it doesnt work, so it is actually 5.5/8. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhjG47gtMCo No such thing as 5.5/8 time, guys. There's no such thing as half a beat in musical notation. I know what you're getting at though. The way you're counting it, it's really 11/16. yeah, I was thinking of this all day. It can't be 5/8 to 6/8, so I was thinking it must be a slow 11/16. Believe it or not, fractional time sigs do exist. At least, according to Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_signature (see the section entitled "Other variants"). The info seems accurate as they give examples of classical works that employ these time sigs.   And there's a Wiki page for "Schism" and the time sigs it uses. At one point it says, "The band has referred to the time signature as 6.5/8. Although many composers would use 13/16 instead, 6.5/8 is still a valid fractional time signature." (I think that refers to the chorus section where the guitar joins in, right after "...communication.") Of course, this is the kind of Wiki page that most likely comes from the mind of some bloke on the internet, so who knows how accurate it is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schism_%28song%29   However, I wouldn't put it past the guys in Tool to say that just to appear overly clever as a joke. That main bass riff is easily notated in alternating 5/8 and 7/8, or in 12/8 if you really wanted to simplify it (my take on it, at least):   http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/1001001/guitar_tabs/schismbass.jpg Yeah I began playing it more and it's definitely 12/8 or alternating between 5/8 and 7/8. It's a quick triplet (the duration of an eight note) then four eight notes, then the same thong with two more eight notes. Edited: oops I didn't even read the sheet music. It basically is what I said

[trenken]

QUOTE (Kenneth @ Mar 5 2011, 08:04 PM)

QUOTE (trenken @ Mar 4 2011, 05:38 AM) Tool is probably a modern version of Rush. http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y120/Fatalis_Prime/Rage.gif ???   Hmmm.... a band that doesnt get any airplay, has millions of loyal fans around the world, sells out 30,000 seat stadiums with no problems whenever they want, constantly changing their style, does whatever they want musically, are VERY adventurous in their music writing, writing in odd time signatures and unusual song structures, pretty thoughtful lyrics and all around solid talent.   Sound a little familiar? Not everyone is going to like them, but they are probably the closest thing to Rush out there right now, not so much in style, but in everything else.

[the masked drummer]

[trenken]

QUOTE (Good,bad,andrush @ Apr 17 2011, 02:33 PM)

QUOTE (1-0-0-1-0-0-1 @ Apr 17 2011, 02:24 PM) QUOTE (Good @ bad,andrush,Mar 4 2011, 03:05 PM) QUOTE (mmclarney @ Mar 4 2011, 01:55 PM) QUOTE (trenken @ Mar 4 2011, 08:51 AM) Actually I think Schism is the one the band says is in 5.5/8 time. Starts at like 40 seconds in. Cool bass line. I used to think this altered from 5/8 to 6/8, but if you follow it along it doesnt work, so it is actually 5.5/8. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhjG47gtMCo No such thing as 5.5/8 time, guys. There's no such thing as half a beat in musical notation. I know what you're getting at though. The way you're counting it, it's really 11/16. yeah, I was thinking of this all day. It can't be 5/8 to 6/8, so I was thinking it must be a slow 11/16. Believe it or not, fractional time sigs do exist. At least, according to Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_signature (see the section entitled "Other variants"). The info seems accurate as they give examples of classical works that employ these time sigs.   And there's a Wiki page for "Schism" and the time sigs it uses. At one point it says, "The band has referred to the time signature as 6.5/8. Although many composers would use 13/16 instead, 6.5/8 is still a valid fractional time signature." (I think that refers to the chorus section where the guitar joins in, right after "...communication.") Of course, this is the kind of Wiki page that most likely comes from the mind of some bloke on the internet, so who knows how accurate it is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schism_%28song%29   However, I wouldn't put it past the guys in Tool to say that just to appear overly clever as a joke. That main bass riff is easily notated in alternating 5/8 and 7/8, or in 12/8 if you really wanted to simplify it (my take on it, at least):   http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/1001001/guitar_tabs/schismbass.jpg Yeah I began playing it more and it's definitely 12/8 or alternating between 5/8 and 7/8. It's a quick triplet (the duration of an eight note) then four eight notes, then the same thong with two more eight notes. Edited: oops I didn't even read the sheet music. It basically is what I said It's a wicked bass line for sure. I definitely remember them describing it as 5.5/8. Hell, they may not even know for sure themselves. A lot of times guys just write music, whatever feels right to them and dont even think about things like time signatures as they write like a trained musician would.   Either that or he was trying to describe it as one time signature rather than alternating. If that's the case technically he is right, you can count it as repeating 5.5/8 segments, I think, at least from what I remember.

[Mr. Not]

QUOTE (trenken @ Apr 17 2011, 12:46 PM)

QUOTE (Kenneth @ Mar 5 2011, 08:04 PM) QUOTE (trenken @ Mar 4 2011, 05:38 AM) Tool is probably a modern version of Rush. http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y120/Fatalis_Prime/Rage.gif ???   Hmmm.... a band that doesnt get any airplay, has millions of loyal fans around the world, sells out 30,000 seat stadiums with no problems whenever they want, constantly changing their style, does whatever they want musically, are VERY adventurous in their music writing, writing in odd time signatures and unusual song structures, pretty thoughtful lyrics and all around solid talent.   Sound a little familiar? Not everyone is going to like them, but they are probably the closest thing to Rush out there right now, not so much in style, but in everything else. okay, true.

[1-0-0-1-0-0-1]

QUOTE (trenken @ Apr 18 2011, 08:53 PM)

QUOTE (Good @ bad,andrush,Apr 17 2011, 02:33 PM) QUOTE (1-0-0-1-0-0-1 @ Apr 17 2011, 02:24 PM) QUOTE (Good @ bad,andrush,Mar 4 2011, 03:05 PM) QUOTE (mmclarney @ Mar 4 2011, 01:55 PM) QUOTE (trenken @ Mar 4 2011, 08:51 AM) Actually I think Schism is the one the band says is in 5.5/8 time. Starts at like 40 seconds in. Cool bass line. I used to think this altered from 5/8 to 6/8, but if you follow it along it doesnt work, so it is actually 5.5/8. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhjG47gtMCo No such thing as 5.5/8 time, guys. There's no such thing as half a beat in musical notation. I know what you're getting at though. The way you're counting it, it's really 11/16. yeah, I was thinking of this all day. It can't be 5/8 to 6/8, so I was thinking it must be a slow 11/16. Believe it or not, fractional time sigs do exist. At least, according to Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_signature (see the section entitled "Other variants"). The info seems accurate as they give examples of classical works that employ these time sigs.   And there's a Wiki page for "Schism" and the time sigs it uses. At one point it says, "The band has referred to the time signature as 6.5/8. Although many composers would use 13/16 instead, 6.5/8 is still a valid fractional time signature." (I think that refers to the chorus section where the guitar joins in, right after "...communication.") Of course, this is the kind of Wiki page that most likely comes from the mind of some bloke on the internet, so who knows how accurate it is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schism_%28song%29   However, I wouldn't put it past the guys in Tool to say that just to appear overly clever as a joke. That main bass riff is easily notated in alternating 5/8 and 7/8, or in 12/8 if you really wanted to simplify it (my take on it, at least):   http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/1001001/guitar_tabs/schismbass.jpg Yeah I began playing it more and it's definitely 12/8 or alternating between 5/8 and 7/8. It's a quick triplet (the duration of an eight note) then four eight notes, then the same thong with two more eight notes. Edited: oops I didn't even read the sheet music. It basically is what I said It's a wicked bass line for sure. I definitely remember them describing it as 5.5/8. Hell, they may not even know for sure themselves. A lot of times guys just write music, whatever feels right to them and dont even think about things like time signatures as they write like a trained musician would.   Either that or he was trying to describe it as one time signature rather than alternating. If that's the case technically he is right, you can count it as repeating 5.5/8 segments, I think, at least from what I remember. Yep. Like with Rush, Tool's odd-time stuff is written from feel. The notes just fell that way -- you can hear it. It all has a nice natural flow to it despite the odd times. They didn't map out these weird time sigs and try to shoehorn the notes into them just to seem clever.   As for the 5.5/8 time sig, I still think the guys in the band like making claims like this as a joke, knowing there are math prog geeks like us out there who love to dissect this stuff.   A fractional time sig like 5.5/8 isn't really practical in rock music, IMO. If you're playing this bass line, you're not going to count 5-1/2 beats -- you'll count alternating 5 and 7 since the two bass phrases divide up naturally that way. Or, just play it by feel.

[trenken]

QUOTE (1-0-0-1-0-0-1 @ Apr 18 2011, 08:04 PM)

QUOTE (trenken @ Apr 18 2011, 08:53 PM) QUOTE (Good @ bad,andrush,Apr 17 2011, 02:33 PM) QUOTE (1-0-0-1-0-0-1 @ Apr 17 2011, 02:24 PM) QUOTE (Good @ bad,andrush,Mar 4 2011, 03:05 PM) QUOTE (mmclarney @ Mar 4 2011, 01:55 PM) QUOTE (trenken @ Mar 4 2011, 08:51 AM) Actually I think Schism is the one the band says is in 5.5/8 time. Starts at like 40 seconds in. Cool bass line. I used to think this altered from 5/8 to 6/8, but if you follow it along it doesnt work, so it is actually 5.5/8. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhjG47gtMCo No such thing as 5.5/8 time, guys. There's no such thing as half a beat in musical notation. I know what you're getting at though. The way you're counting it, it's really 11/16. yeah, I was thinking of this all day. It can't be 5/8 to 6/8, so I was thinking it must be a slow 11/16. Believe it or not, fractional time sigs do exist. At least, according to Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_signature (see the section entitled "Other variants"). The info seems accurate as they give examples of classical works that employ these time sigs.   And there's a Wiki page for "Schism" and the time sigs it uses. At one point it says, "The band has referred to the time signature as 6.5/8. Although many composers would use 13/16 instead, 6.5/8 is still a valid fractional time signature." (I think that refers to the chorus section where the guitar joins in, right after "...communication.") Of course, this is the kind of Wiki page that most likely comes from the mind of some bloke on the internet, so who knows how accurate it is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schism_%28song%29   However, I wouldn't put it past the guys in Tool to say that just to appear overly clever as a joke. That main bass riff is easily notated in alternating 5/8 and 7/8, or in 12/8 if you really wanted to simplify it (my take on it, at least):   http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/1001001/guitar_tabs/schismbass.jpg Yeah I began playing it more and it's definitely 12/8 or alternating between 5/8 and 7/8. It's a quick triplet (the duration of an eight note) then four eight notes, then the same thong with two more eight notes. Edited: oops I didn't even read the sheet music. It basically is what I said It's a wicked bass line for sure. I definitely remember them describing it as 5.5/8. Hell, they may not even know for sure themselves. A lot of times guys just write music, whatever feels right to them and dont even think about things like time signatures as they write like a trained musician would.   Either that or he was trying to describe it as one time signature rather than alternating. If that's the case technically he is right, you can count it as repeating 5.5/8 segments, I think, at least from what I remember. Yep. Like with Rush, Tool's odd-time stuff is written from feel. The notes just fell that way -- you can hear it. It all has a nice natural flow to it despite the odd times. They didn't map out these weird time sigs and try to shoehorn the notes into them just to seem clever.   As for the 5.5/8 time sig, I still think the guys in the band like making claims like this as a joke, knowing there are math prog geeks like us out there who love to dissect this stuff.   A fractional time sig like 5.5/8 isn't really practical in rock music, IMO. If you're playing this bass line, you're not going to count 5-1/2 beats -- you'll count alternating 5 and 7 since the two bass phrases divide up naturally that way. Or, just play it by feel. Exactly. Well said. One of the things I always admired about Rush is when a time change happens you don't notice it. That's important I think, otherwise if you don't do it right it ends up sounding too "angular", as the guys from Mars Volta perfectly described it recently.   There are time changes in a simple song like Limelight, but because it flows well the average listener won't notice it. If you can notice a time change and can't keep moving your head to the beat, it wasn't handled right. Rush has always been aware of this. Many bands are, but some just don't get it. Bands like Dream Theater don't get it, sometimes anyway. They do time changes just because that's what they think smart musicians do, and it sticks out like a sore thumb and if you're trying to move to the music, suddenly you lose the rhythm. Rush does time changes because that's what was best for that song at that particular time.   Tool is also good at this. I'm not a huge fan of theirs, not like I am of Rush anyway, but they definitely do whats right for the song they're writing. Nothing ever sounds too unnatural. They do a lot of experimental stuff, but it works within what they're doing, and they've been very successful doing it, which is pretty rare, so you have to respect them for that at least.

[Good,bad,andrush]

QUOTE (trenken @ Apr 18 2011, 09:53 PM)

QUOTE (1-0-0-1-0-0-1 @ Apr 18 2011, 08:04 PM) QUOTE (trenken @ Apr 18 2011, 08:53 PM) QUOTE (Good @ bad,andrush,Apr 17 2011, 02:33 PM) QUOTE (1-0-0-1-0-0-1 @ Apr 17 2011, 02:24 PM) QUOTE (Good @ bad,andrush,Mar 4 2011, 03:05 PM) QUOTE (mmclarney @ Mar 4 2011, 01:55 PM) QUOTE (trenken @ Mar 4 2011, 08:51 AM) Actually I think Schism is the one the band says is in 5.5/8 time. Starts at like 40 seconds in. Cool bass line. I used to think this altered from 5/8 to 6/8, but if you follow it along it doesnt work, so it is actually 5.5/8. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhjG47gtMCo No such thing as 5.5/8 time, guys. There's no such thing as half a beat in musical notation. I know what you're getting at though. The way you're counting it, it's really 11/16. yeah, I was thinking of this all day. It can't be 5/8 to 6/8, so I was thinking it must be a slow 11/16. Believe it or not, fractional time sigs do exist. At least, according to Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_signature (see the section entitled "Other variants"). The info seems accurate as they give examples of classical works that employ these time sigs.   And there's a Wiki page for "Schism" and the time sigs it uses. At one point it says, "The band has referred to the time signature as 6.5/8. Although many composers would use 13/16 instead, 6.5/8 is still a valid fractional time signature." (I think that refers to the chorus section where the guitar joins in, right after "...communication.") Of course, this is the kind of Wiki page that most likely comes from the mind of some bloke on the internet, so who knows how accurate it is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schism_%28song%29   However, I wouldn't put it past the guys in Tool to say that just to appear overly clever as a joke. That main bass riff is easily notated in alternating 5/8 and 7/8, or in 12/8 if you really wanted to simplify it (my take on it, at least):   http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/1001001/guitar_tabs/schismbass.jpg Yeah I began playing it more and it's definitely 12/8 or alternating between 5/8 and 7/8. It's a quick triplet (the duration of an eight note) then four eight notes, then the same thong with two more eight notes. Edited: oops I didn't even read the sheet music. It basically is what I said It's a wicked bass line for sure. I definitely remember them describing it as 5.5/8. Hell, they may not even know for sure themselves. A lot of times guys just write music, whatever feels right to them and dont even think about things like time signatures as they write like a trained musician would.   Either that or he was trying to describe it as one time signature rather than alternating. If that's the case technically he is right, you can count it as repeating 5.5/8 segments, I think, at least from what I remember. Yep. Like with Rush, Tool's odd-time stuff is written from feel. The notes just fell that way -- you can hear it. It all has a nice natural flow to it despite the odd times. They didn't map out these weird time sigs and try to shoehorn the notes into them just to seem clever.   As for the 5.5/8 time sig, I still think the guys in the band like making claims like this as a joke, knowing there are math prog geeks like us out there who love to dissect this stuff.   A fractional time sig like 5.5/8 isn't really practical in rock music, IMO. If you're playing this bass line, you're not going to count 5-1/2 beats -- you'll count alternating 5 and 7 since the two bass phrases divide up naturally that way. Or, just play it by feel. Exactly. Well said. One of the things I always admired about Rush is when a time change happens you don't notice it. That's important I think, otherwise if you don't do it right it ends up sounding too "angular", as the guys from Mars Volta perfectly described it recently.   There are time changes in a simple song like Limelight, but because it flows well the average listener won't notice it. If you can notice a time change and can't keep moving your head to the beat, it wasn't handled right. Rush has always been aware of this. Many bands are, but some just don't get it. Bands like Dream Theater don't get it, sometimes anyway. They do time changes just because that's what they think smart musicians do, and it sticks out like a sore thumb and if you're trying to move to the music, suddenly you lose the rhythm. Rush does time changes because that's what was best for that song at that particular time.   Tool is also good at this. I'm not a huge fan of theirs, not like I am of Rush anyway, but they definitely do whats right for the song they're writing. Nothing ever sounds too unnatural. They do a lot of experimental stuff, but it works within what they're doing, and they've been very successful doing it, which is pretty rare, so you have to respect them for that at least.   And I love their sense of humor, but that's just me.