The Birth of Prog : 1967

[Silas Lang]

Pink Floyd is the first progressive rock group as far as live music is concerned though.

[missedexit]

Have to go w/ The Beatles, as they seemed to impact more musicians through out the world, had more exposure.

[WIDE-ANGLE WATCHER]

I voted for Pink Floyd. I am not too sure about the birth of prog though.

 

I grew up listening to Marillion, Jethro Tull, Yes, Pink Floyd, Genesis and RUSH which I feel carried the prog torch very well.

 

I am going to listen to more of the suggested bands so I can have a more educated reply.

 

Most of the opinions on TRF on subjects as this are personal yet time tested and educated and I am very enlightened to read some opinions and believe it is okay for them to help formulate my own opinion.

[Earthshine]

Pink Floyd Piper at the Gates of Dawn.

 

I would have included The Nice The Thoughts Of Emerlist Davjack.

[The Owl]

Goobs played "Nights in White Satin" on his show..... this thread needed a bump

[fledgehog]

Floyd was probably the most influetial on prog, but Sgt. Peppers was obviously the most influential on music as a whole.

[ozzy85]

QUOTE (RUSHHEAD666 @ Jun 18 2010, 10:59 PM)

QUOTE (treeduck @ Jun 18 2010, 10:58 PM) 1967, the birth of prog and the birth of...treeduck... Damn buddy! We are so close in age.   1968 baby!     It's all about "The Incident."   "Are You Experienced?" I guess I'm a tail-end era greaser from '66...   Class of '67?... I'm gonna agree with Goobs on this one. I think Days Of The Future... just plain stretched things quite a bit further with in-house instrumentation and concept. Probably the first of its kind.   ...Now if it was 1969, I'd hand it to King Crimson. Star of another magnatude. The race was on full-scale.

[treeduck]

QUOTE (ozzy85 @ Dec 31 2010, 01:52 AM)

QUOTE (RUSHHEAD666 @ Jun 18 2010, 10:59 PM) QUOTE (treeduck @ Jun 18 2010, 10:58 PM) 1967, the birth of prog and the birth of...treeduck... Damn buddy! We are so close in age.   1968 baby!     It's all about "The Incident."   "Are You Experienced?" I guess I'm a tail-end era greaser from '66...   Class of '67?... I'm gonna agree with Goobs on this one. I think Days Of The Future... just plain stretched things quite a bit further with in-house instrumentation and concept. Probably the first of its kind.   ...Now if it was 1969, I'd hand it to King Crimson. Star of another magnatude. The race was on full-scale.

[Bastille Dave]

QUOTE (GeddyRulz @ Jun 18 2010, 03:45 PM)

Of those choices, I had to go with "Days of Future Passed" by the Moody Blues.

me too.

[rushgoober]

QUOTE (Bastille Dave @ Dec 31 2010, 12:21 AM)

QUOTE (GeddyRulz @ Jun 18 2010, 03:45 PM) Of those choices, I had to go with "Days of Future Passed" by the Moody Blues. me too. I think if more people were familiar with that album they'd have chosen it too. I'm sorry, but I just do NOT see the roots of prog rock in Sgt. Peppers other than that album influenced everyone that came after it. The Moody Blues, however, influenced prog rock tremendously.

[Hatchetaxe&saw]

Moodies - all the signposts are there.

 

Pepper is no more prog than I am a Frenchman. There's a loose concept going on, but that doesn't make it prog.

[micgtr71]

QUOTE (Gompers @ Jun 18 2010, 03:56 PM)

Even though it was 1969, In The Court of the Crimson King probably had the biggest Prog impact of any album. This was discussed sometime ago over at ProgArchives. This does not diminish the importance of the other albums however. The Beatles probably were the ones who made the idea of Prog popular though.

I agree with you. While the Beatles probably had the most impact, I went with Piper especially after I read how Roger Waters helped with some of the more prog aspects of Sgt. Pepper.

[ReRushed]

QUOTE (Hatchetaxe&saw @ Dec 31 2010, 07:15 AM)

Moodies - all the signposts are there. Pepper is no more prog than I am a Frenchman. There's a loose concept going on, but that doesn't make it prog.

It always bothers me that Sgt. Pepper's is called a concept album. Loose concept is probably the best you can describe it. Any concept was thrown out the window after the second song!

 

Anyway, I think there are numerous techniques and moments in Sgt. Pepper's that went on to define prog rock. Is it prog rock? No. Elements of proto-prog? Yes.

 

"She's Leaving Home"

"Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kite"

"Within You Without You"

"A Day in the Life"

 

All the above have proggy moments.

[GeddyRulz]

QUOTE (rushgoober @ Dec 31 2010, 05:39 AM)

QUOTE (Bastille Dave @ Dec 31 2010, 12:21 AM) QUOTE (GeddyRulz @ Jun 18 2010, 03:45 PM) Of those choices, I had to go with "Days of Future Passed" by the Moody Blues. me too. I think if more people were familiar with that album they'd have chosen it too. I'm sorry, but I just do NOT see the roots of prog rock in Sgt. Peppers other than that album influenced everyone that came after it. The Moody Blues, however, influenced prog rock tremendously. Agree.   For a Prog influence, the race isn't really between the Moodies and the Beatles; the race (from those above) is closer between the Moodies and Procol Harum. But it was really the song "Whiter Shade of Pale" and not the entire self-titled Procol Harum album which was an early Prog influence... so the prize goes to the Moody Blues' Days of Future Passed.

[The Owl]

Where Sgt. Pepper has it's influence on prog was not so much stylistically, but the fact that at that point that have a big conceptual piece such as Sgt. Pepper was not really done that much before...

 

The fact that a concept album like Pepper came out and was popular defiantly helped the idea of the concept album be incorporated by Progressive Rock.

[rushgoober]

QUOTE (GeddyRulz @ Dec 31 2010, 07:11 AM)

QUOTE (rushgoober @ Dec 31 2010, 05:39 AM) QUOTE (Bastille Dave @ Dec 31 2010, 12:21 AM) QUOTE (GeddyRulz @ Jun 18 2010, 03:45 PM) Of those choices, I had to go with "Days of Future Passed" by the Moody Blues. me too. I think if more people were familiar with that album they'd have chosen it too. I'm sorry, but I just do NOT see the roots of prog rock in Sgt. Peppers other than that album influenced everyone that came after it. The Moody Blues, however, influenced prog rock tremendously. Agree.   For a Prog influence, the race isn't really between the Moodies and the Beatles; the race (from those above) is closer between the Moodies and Procol Harum. But it was really the song "Whiter Shade of Pale" and not the entire self-titled Procol Harum album which was an early Prog influence... so the prize goes to the Moody Blues' Days of Future Passed. I've often heard people single out A Whiter Shade of Pale as an early prog influence, and honestly, I can't see it.   Yes, it's a great song, it's got surreal lyrics and great organ/instrumentation with a little bit of soloing, but I've never really listened to it and thought, oh that's so prog. I guess I can see it as a slight influence, but I don't really get it like many others seem to. Now if you want to talk prog, their song In Held Twas In I from their 1968 album Shine On Brightly, that is pure proto-prog right there...

[GeddyRulz]

QUOTE (rushgoober @ Jan 1 2011, 08:50 AM)

QUOTE (GeddyRulz @ Dec 31 2010, 07:11 AM) QUOTE (rushgoober @ Dec 31 2010, 05:39 AM) QUOTE (Bastille Dave @ Dec 31 2010, 12:21 AM) QUOTE (GeddyRulz @ Jun 18 2010, 03:45 PM) Of those choices, I had to go with "Days of Future Passed" by the Moody Blues. me too. I think if more people were familiar with that album they'd have chosen it too. I'm sorry, but I just do NOT see the roots of prog rock in Sgt. Peppers other than that album influenced everyone that came after it. The Moody Blues, however, influenced prog rock tremendously. Agree.   For a Prog influence, the race isn't really between the Moodies and the Beatles; the race (from those above) is closer between the Moodies and Procol Harum. But it was really the song "Whiter Shade of Pale" and not the entire self-titled Procol Harum album which was an early Prog influence... so the prize goes to the Moody Blues' Days of Future Passed. I've often heard people single out A Whiter Shade of Pale as an early prog influence, and honestly, I can't see it.   Yes, it's a great song, it's got surreal lyrics and great organ/instrumentation with a little bit of soloing, but I've never really listened to it and thought, oh that's so prog. I guess I can see it as a slight influence, but I don't really get it like many others seem to. Now if you want to talk prog, their song In Held Twas In I from their 1968 album Shine On Brightly, that is pure proto-prog right there... I think "Whiter Shade of Pale" gets cited as a Prog influence not because of the arrangement but because of instrumentation: the use of the Hammond organ, which would become used often in Prog.

[Imaginos]

Out of that list I would say that The Beatles had the biggest influnce on the world generally but it was "Piper at the Gates of Dawn" for me personally.