Post Punk

[Xanadoood]

[VarianStar]

[Blenderhead]

QUOTE (VarianStar @ Feb 23 2010, 12:26 PM)

QUOTE (Xanadoood @ Feb 23 2010, 12:11 PM) QUOTE (GeddyRulz @ Feb 23 2010, 10:35 AM) Personally, to avoid the confusion over what constitutes “post-punk,” I’d go with labeling all these sub-genres “college music,” despite which generation we’re talking about.  And irony of ironies, fans of this music label Prog Rock “pretentious,” but they’re ten times worse.  Look at the attitudes you get from these “hipper than thou” fans of “independent” college music.  Pretentious, indeed!  It’s the same attitude you get from Rolling Stone and other music critics... which brings to mind another irony: fans of that music think of themselves as somewhat “underground” and non-mainstream, yet their music is what’s written about in the mainstream music mags! There was a great chapter about all this in a book on Prog that I read, called “Rocking the Classics.”  Time was when RS embraced the Beatles, Dylan, Springsteen, Zeppelin, Floyd, etc.  They still do.  But when rock began to fragment into smaller sub-genres in the 70s, RS chose one path over all the others - hence the snubbing of Prog and the embracing of “three chords and the truth.”  Rock, these critics would argue, should never be high-brow.  It should appeal to the lower class only, contain no “aristocratic” elements (e.g. Classical Music), and remain as close as possible to its Blues origins.  Whatever!  Personally, I think the “college music” fans are more pretentious than the Prog fans; they frequently give us the attitude like they’re too “cool” for us.  One final note: I’m a big fan of the band The Stranglers, and I think they strike a good balance between “punk” and what’s nearly “progressive.”  They’re no Sex Pistols.  The guys in the Stranglers can obviously PLAY their instruments; they have technique, “chops,” and complex arrangements... yet are still distinctly Punk.  Most “punk” or “post-punk” or “alternative” or “college music” bands celebrate their LACK of technique.  Not these guys.   Thats exactly how i feel Rulz. They celebrate their lack of " chops", and think that if a musician DOES have any technique at all, they cant POSSIBLY be a good songwriter as well. Whatever!...I mean, look at some of your classic bands...Zep, Sabbath, Thin Lizzy, the Beatles, The Who..all these guys had some form of chops/good musicianship, but could also write great songs. Its all about balance. To many people. the "classic bands" were boring. Post-punk and the subsequent Goth and New Wave genres celebrated art and beauty, not lack of talent. Countless great songs came from those bands that are still listened to and enjoyed today. Thank you!   These genres don't "celebrate a lack of talent". That's ridiculous.

[Xanadoood]

[VarianStar]

[Silas Lang]

[Brooks]

I can't comment on the differences between post punk and new wave, etc, because i really don't know (i though punk & new wave were bands from the 70's, & post punk came later?).

 

but, i do relate to the OP's comment about the snob attitude of arty hipster types who talk shit about bands with chops. it seems that there's always a certian outsider stance of some people where they can't like something that the majority considers good. it really seems prevelant in art students; where i went to school, there was a big jazz program, and a big art & design program. so, there was a bunch of prog and fusion bands, and there was also a contingent of "performance art" types; guys who *really* didn't know how to play (i.e. someone just blowing thru a trombone or randomly beating on stuff w/o an actual tempo or rhythm) and weren't even trying to play together, i.e. just noise. the art nerds ate it up!

[The Big Money]

Is rancid considered post punk

[VarianStar]

QUOTE (bigmoney2112 @ Feb 23 2010, 05:47 PM)

Is rancid considered post punk

No. The best examples of post-punk would be Joy Division, early Bauhaus or Siouxsie and the Banshees and Southern Death Cult. Post-punk is what came before Goth and New Wave.

[Xanadu93]

[VarianStar]

[Ultra]

Gonna jump on VarianStar's side here. It seems to me that Xanadood is completely confusing the genre's of post-punk and punk and lumping fans of the former in with the latter. I mightily disagree with the assumption that post-punk celebrated a lack of talent. Far from it. What they celebrated was artistic expression and using sound to evoke emotion. The two are completely different styles of music with completely different attitudes and statements.

 

College rock as well is far too broad a term, you might as well just call any music that uses guitars, bass and drum rock and not subdivide it any further if you are going to go that far. As for these so called "post-punk" fans who are lacking the respect of prog bands? I'm really wondering which genre you are referring to, because I hear that arguement far more from punk fans than post-punk fans.

[Xanadoood]

[VarianStar]

QUOTE (Xanadoood @ Feb 24 2010, 05:14 AM)

I know where you are coming from Varian. And i actually like the Cure and Joy Division. How bout the Smiths?...Johnny Marr is a very cool , experimental guitar player.

Morrissey's voice gets annoying very quickly, but Marr is good. I like early Cure the best (before they got happy ), but anything they do is good.

 

And hey, no matter what other bands we like or don't like, at least we agree on Rush!

[circumstantial tree]

I like the Cure and Siouxsie and the Banshees. I know that Siouxsie was part of the punk movement simply because she said so. She was even asked to join the Sex Pistols at one point.

 

I like Siouxsie because her lyrics are very poetic. She's not Neil Peart, but she has her own style of writing that I really like.

 

Speaking of punk, not many people realize that the Go-Go's started out as a punk group. There is a picture out there of Belinda Carlisle wearing a garbage bag turned into a dress.

[tangy]

i had never heard of "post punk" prior to this thread. interesting topic.

 

I liked some punk but never explored the genre that much. I do like fear, the dead kennedys, the sex pistols, the dickies and the ramones.

 

favorite punk disc- Fear- The Record.

 

 

[VarianStar]

QUOTE (circumstantial tree @ Feb 24 2010, 11:01 AM)

I like the Cure and Siouxsie and the Banshees. I know that Siouxsie was part of the punk movement simply because she said so. She was even asked to join the Sex Pistols at one point. I like Siouxsie because her lyrics are very poetic. She's not Neil Peart, but she has her own style of writing that I really like.

Siouxsie is great, a true original and an amazing singer/songwriter. She is really nice too.

[VarianStar]

QUOTE (tangy @ Feb 24 2010, 11:12 AM)

i had never heard of "post punk" prior to this thread. interesting topic. I liked some punk but never explored the genre that much. I do like fear, the dead kennedys, the sex pistols, the dickies and the ramones. favorite punk disc- Fear- The Record.

Check out Joy Division, you would probably like them.

[Rush!]

Joy Division is some dark, dark shit. But it's really good.

The Cure released a couple of super dark ones as well in the early 80s: 'Faith', and 'Pornography'.

Those are all worth checking out though.

[VarianStar]

QUOTE (Rush! @ Feb 24 2010, 11:48 AM)

Joy Division is some dark, dark shit. But it's really good. The Cure released a couple of super dark ones as well in the early 80s: 'Faith', and 'Pornography'. Those are all worth checking out though.

Faith is one of my all-time favorite albums. The Funeral Party is one of their greatest songs. It's so beautifully sad. I would smoke on my back step late at night after it had snowed and listen to this song over and over again on my walkman. I had a special tape with just this song recorded so that I didn't have to rewind it. It fit the scene perfectly.

[Rush!]

QUOTE (VarianStar @ Feb 24 2010, 11:23 AM)

QUOTE (Rush! @ Feb 24 2010, 11:48 AM) Joy Division is some dark, dark shit. But it's really good. The Cure released a couple of super dark ones as well in the early 80s: 'Faith', and 'Pornography'. Those are all worth checking out though. Faith is one of my all-time favorite albums. The Funeral Party is one of their greatest songs. It's so beautifully sad. I would smoke on my back step late at night after it had snowed and listen to this song over and over again on my walkman. I had a special tape with just this song recorded so that I didn't have to rewind it. It fit the scene perfectly. Same here, it's my favorite Cure album. I agree completely about The Funeral Party, definitely one of their most underrated songs.   My personal favorite on that is All Cats are Grey. I can't really describe why it is, just that it's an amazing piece of work.

[Hatchetaxe&saw]

QUOTE (Rush! @ Feb 24 2010, 04:37 PM)

QUOTE (VarianStar @ Feb 24 2010, 11:23 AM) QUOTE (Rush! @ Feb 24 2010, 11:48 AM) Joy Division is some dark, dark shit. But it's really good. The Cure released a couple of super dark ones as well in the early 80s: 'Faith', and 'Pornography'. Those are all worth checking out though. Faith is one of my all-time favorite albums. The Funeral Party is one of their greatest songs. It's so beautifully sad. I would smoke on my back step late at night after it had snowed and listen to this song over and over again on my walkman. I had a special tape with just this song recorded so that I didn't have to rewind it. It fit the scene perfectly. Same here, it's my favorite Cure album. I agree completely about The Funeral Party, definitely one of their most underrated songs.   My personal favorite on that is All Cats are Grey. I can't really describe why it is, just that it's an amazing piece of work. Jeezus guys! All Cats Are Grey & The Funeral Party! Wow. I was 13 or 14 when these were out first. Adored them. Did you get The Horrors Primary Colours? Cover is a total homage to Pornography, the music is Cure-lite though.   Still think The Head On The Door and the debut are their best though.

[VarianStar]

QUOTE (Rush! @ Feb 24 2010, 12:37 PM)

QUOTE (VarianStar @ Feb 24 2010, 11:23 AM) QUOTE (Rush! @ Feb 24 2010, 11:48 AM) Joy Division is some dark, dark shit. But it's really good. The Cure released a couple of super dark ones as well in the early 80s: 'Faith', and 'Pornography'. Those are all worth checking out though. Faith is one of my all-time favorite albums. The Funeral Party is one of their greatest songs. It's so beautifully sad. I would smoke on my back step late at night after it had snowed and listen to this song over and over again on my walkman. I had a special tape with just this song recorded so that I didn't have to rewind it. It fit the scene perfectly. Same here, it's my favorite Cure album. I agree completely about The Funeral Party, definitely one of their most underrated songs.   My personal favorite on that is All Cats are Grey. I can't really describe why it is, just that it's an amazing piece of work. "Cats" is an amazing song and you're right. It can't be explained why, it just is.

[VarianStar]

QUOTE (Hatchetaxe&saw @ Feb 24 2010, 12:40 PM)

QUOTE (Rush! @ Feb 24 2010, 04:37 PM) QUOTE (VarianStar @ Feb 24 2010, 11:23 AM) QUOTE (Rush! @ Feb 24 2010, 11:48 AM) Joy Division is some dark, dark shit. But it's really good. The Cure released a couple of super dark ones as well in the early 80s: 'Faith', and 'Pornography'. Those are all worth checking out though. Faith is one of my all-time favorite albums. The Funeral Party is one of their greatest songs. It's so beautifully sad. I would smoke on my back step late at night after it had snowed and listen to this song over and over again on my walkman. I had a special tape with just this song recorded so that I didn't have to rewind it. It fit the scene perfectly. Same here, it's my favorite Cure album. I agree completely about The Funeral Party, definitely one of their most underrated songs.   My personal favorite on that is All Cats are Grey. I can't really describe why it is, just that it's an amazing piece of work. Jeezus guys! All Cats Are Grey & The Funeral Party! Wow. I was 13 or 14 when these were out first. Adored them. Did you get The Horrors Primary Colours? Cover is a total homage to Pornography, the music is Cure-lite though.   Still think The Head On The Door and the debut are their best though. I have never heard of them. I'll check them out!   Both of those albums are good. I prefer the darker stuff myself, but any Cure is good.

[Territorial_Game]

QUOTE (RUSHHEAD666 @ Feb 20 2010, 10:27 PM)

I have tried over the years to get into those bands that you have mentioned. Jim Rome's favorite all time band are The Replacements. They bore me to tears, but I do have "Pleased To Meet Me." As for Sonic Youth I do own "Goo" on MFSL gold cd. I think it's still sealed!

Jim Rome is a douche.