Post Punk

[ILSnwdog]

QUOTE (ReRushed @ Feb 20 2010, 11:54 PM)

Are Husker Du and The Replacements considered post-punk? Husker Du is a wall of noise that, if you can get through several listens, will greatly reward you. The Replacements' Let It Be is a brilliant mishmash of rock and roll genres. Both respectful and irreverent, it's one of the greatest albums of all-time. Yes, of all-time!!!!!

 

Husker Du post punk? I thought they WERE punk! And Bob Mould is a wicked good guitarist.

 

And the Replacements were one of the best bands in the bidness in the late 80's/ early 90's.

[ILSnwdog]

QUOTE (Xanadoood @ Feb 23 2010, 01:43 PM)

And please explain to me how classic Zep, Sabbath, and the Who were boring?..I cant jump on board with that one.

I can't speak for everyone, but I find those bands "boring" because you are inundated with their music. You can't go a day without hearing a song by one of those bands. I grew up listening to them, but by the time I was 18, I had heard Stairway to Heaven so much that it was no longer special.

 

Punk, Post-Punk, New Wave, Alternative, what ever you want to call it was something different for me that sounded fresh and incredibly creative. Joy Division, Echo & The Bunnymen, Husker Du (and later Bob Mould solo stuff), The Afghan Whigs, The Cure, Bad Religion, Social Distortion, The Violent Fems, The Replacements, Siouxsie and the Banshees, REM (up to Green), Catherine Wheel, The Ramones, The Clash, and countless others brought me back to a music scene that had gotten very stale in my world. They weren't talentless. They just went in a different direction with their style.

 

I'd rather hear "Love will tear us apart" over "We won't get fooled again" any day of the week, because LWTUA still sounds fresh over 30 years later.

 

 

[Hatchetaxe&saw]

QUOTE (ILSnwdog @ Feb 24 2010, 07:05 PM)

QUOTE (ReRushed @ Feb 20 2010, 11:54 PM) Are Husker Du and The Replacements considered post-punk? Husker Du is a wall of noise that, if you can get through several listens, will greatly reward you. The Replacements' Let It Be is a brilliant mishmash of rock and roll genres.  Both respectful and irreverent, it's one of the greatest albums of all-time.  Yes, of all-time!!!!!   Husker Du post punk? I thought they WERE punk! And Bob Mould is a wicked good guitarist.   And the Replacements were one of the best bands in the bidness in the late 80's/ early 90's. Yes! Huskers and The Replacements are the dogs bollocks.   Love Will Tear Us Apart is perfect. Unknown Pleasures and Closer should be in everyone's collection.

[liquidcrystalcompass]

QUOTE (Xanadoood @ Feb 20 2010, 09:11 PM)

Anyone else have hard time with this style, and the fanbase that supports it?.. I recently met up with some old college friends, who, in the early 90s, were all about the " Indie Rock" and post punk scene. Now, we have been having this discussion for years regarding the merits of Punk and how Prog sucks, according to them. I asked them about Porcupine Tree and Muse, and they just sort of chuckled Ive never understood the whole " 3 chords and the truth" bullshit that these bands and their followers throw out there. I like some of that stuff, Husker du, the Replacements, some Sonic Youth, but i find most of it really shitty and annoying. The night we hung out, their was this band that everyone was psyched to see, and the drummer was actually guiding the bass player as to what key the songs were in..you could see him mouthing the keys to her while hes laying down a real out of time rythmic pattern..just insane...but everyone loved them!...i get the whole bringing it down to earth and keeping it basic for the common man, but ill just never get how you can not like a musician cause they can actually PLAY their instruments... Anyone else have to deal with these annoying type of Prog haters?..

I knew some people like that when I was growing up. They're too worried about trying to be cool (naturally, that makes them uncool ) instead expanding on a deeping understanding of music.

[VarianStar]

QUOTE (ILSnwdog @ Feb 24 2010, 03:26 PM)

I'd rather hear "Love will tear us apart" over "We won't get fooled again" any day of the week, because LWTUA still sounds fresh over 30 years later.

I almost posted give me "Stigmata Martyr" over "Baba O'Riley" any day.

[Rush!]

QUOTE (VarianStar @ Feb 24 2010, 11:44 AM)

QUOTE (Rush! @ Feb 24 2010, 12:37 PM) QUOTE (VarianStar @ Feb 24 2010, 11:23 AM) QUOTE (Rush! @ Feb 24 2010, 11:48 AM) Joy Division is some dark, dark shit. But it's really good. The Cure released a couple of super dark ones as well in the early 80s: 'Faith', and 'Pornography'. Those are all worth checking out though. Faith is one of my all-time favorite albums. The Funeral Party is one of their greatest songs. It's so beautifully sad. I would smoke on my back step late at night after it had snowed and listen to this song over and over again on my walkman. I had a special tape with just this song recorded so that I didn't have to rewind it. It fit the scene perfectly. Same here, it's my favorite Cure album. I agree completely about The Funeral Party, definitely one of their most underrated songs.   My personal favorite on that is All Cats are Grey. I can't really describe why it is, just that it's an amazing piece of work. "Cats" is an amazing song and you're right. It can't be explained why, it just is. Exactly. When a band has the ability to make you feel something that you can't put into words, then they've got to be pretty amazing.     And Hatchet, haven't heard of that group either, but I'm sure I'd dig them.

[Xanadoood]

QUOTE (ILSnwdog @ Feb 24 2010, 02:26 PM)

QUOTE (Xanadoood @ Feb 23 2010, 01:43 PM) And please explain to me how classic Zep, Sabbath, and the Who were boring?..I cant jump on board with that one. I can't speak for everyone, but I find those bands "boring" because you are inundated with their music. You can't go a day without hearing a song by one of those bands. I grew up listening to them, but by the time I was 18, I had heard Stairway to Heaven so much that it was no longer special.   Punk, Post-Punk, New Wave, Alternative, what ever you want to call it was something different for me that sounded fresh and incredibly creative. Joy Division, Echo & The Bunnymen, Husker Du (and later Bob Mould solo stuff), The Afghan Whigs, The Cure, Bad Religion, Social Distortion, The Violent Fems, The Replacements, Siouxsie and the Banshees, REM (up to Green), Catherine Wheel, The Ramones, The Clash, and countless others brought me back to a music scene that had gotten very stale in my world. They weren't talentless. They just went in a different direction with their style.   I'd rather hear "Love will tear us apart" over "We won't get fooled again" any day of the week, because LWTUA still sounds fresh over 30 years later. Im not disagreeing with you Snwdog. And i as well was very much into the early 90s scene when in college. The problem i had was that, when talking about classic rock bands, a lot of the dudes from that scene just sort of dismissed it outright, like they discovered the holy grail of music , and if your roots didnt come from the Ramones and The Clash, two bands i love, you werent legit. Its not as much about the music, as a lot of the fanbase. The Replacements rock, The Clash rock, The Ramones rock,Mission of Burma rock..but dont be an elitist prick ( not you ) and dismiss a whole genre.

[ILSnwdog]

QUOTE (VarianStar @ Feb 24 2010, 02:57 PM)

QUOTE (ILSnwdog @ Feb 24 2010, 03:26 PM) I'd rather hear "Love will tear us apart" over "We won't get fooled again" any day of the week, because LWTUA still sounds fresh over 30 years later. I almost posted give me "Stigmata Martyr" over "Baba O'Riley" any day.

[VarianStar]

Too bad we can't change this thread to be a Post-Punk/Goth/New Wave Appreciation Thread or something. I'm so glad other people here like these bands, for awhile I thought I was the only one!

[Xanadoood]

QUOTE (ILSnwdog @ Feb 24 2010, 02:26 PM)

QUOTE (Xanadoood @ Feb 23 2010, 01:43 PM) And please explain to me how classic Zep, Sabbath, and the Who were boring?..I cant jump on board with that one. I can't speak for everyone, but I find those bands "boring" because you are inundated with their music. You can't go a day without hearing a song by one of those bands. I grew up listening to them, but by the time I was 18, I had heard Stairway to Heaven so much that it was no longer special.   Punk, Post-Punk, New Wave, Alternative, what ever you want to call it was something different for me that sounded fresh and incredibly creative. Joy Division, Echo & The Bunnymen, Husker Du (and later Bob Mould solo stuff), The Afghan Whigs, The Cure, Bad Religion, Social Distortion, The Violent Fems, The Replacements, Siouxsie and the Banshees, REM (up to Green), Catherine Wheel, The Ramones, The Clash, and countless others brought me back to a music scene that had gotten very stale in my world. They weren't talentless. They just went in a different direction with their style.   I'd rather hear "Love will tear us apart" over "We won't get fooled again" any day of the week, because LWTUA still sounds fresh over 30 years later. I am a little bit concerned about the WGFA comment. I mean, isnt a great song a great song?..No matter how many times you hear it?...Yes, its been played to death, but that doesnt take away from its greatness. And if i never hear Stairway on the radio again, thats fine by me. But its still a great track.

[Xanadoood]

QUOTE (VarianStar @ Feb 24 2010, 04:22 PM)

Too bad we can't change this thread to be a Post-Punk/Goth/New Wave Appreciation Thread or something. I'm so glad other people here like these bands, for awhile I thought I was the only one!

Varian, i do like some of these. I hope you dont think im rippin them. Im just looking at it from a different angle.

[ILSnwdog]

QUOTE (Xanadoood @ Feb 24 2010, 03:47 PM)

QUOTE (ILSnwdog @ Feb 24 2010, 02:26 PM) QUOTE (Xanadoood @ Feb 23 2010, 01:43 PM) And please explain to me how classic Zep, Sabbath, and the Who were boring?..I cant jump on board with that one. I can't speak for everyone, but I find those bands "boring" because you are inundated with their music. You can't go a day without hearing a song by one of those bands. I grew up listening to them, but by the time I was 18, I had heard Stairway to Heaven so much that it was no longer special.   Punk, Post-Punk, New Wave, Alternative, what ever you want to call it was something different for me that sounded fresh and incredibly creative. Joy Division, Echo & The Bunnymen, Husker Du (and later Bob Mould solo stuff), The Afghan Whigs, The Cure, Bad Religion, Social Distortion, The Violent Fems, The Replacements, Siouxsie and the Banshees, REM (up to Green), Catherine Wheel, The Ramones, The Clash, and countless others brought me back to a music scene that had gotten very stale in my world. They weren't talentless. They just went in a different direction with their style.   I'd rather hear "Love will tear us apart" over "We won't get fooled again" any day of the week, because LWTUA still sounds fresh over 30 years later. Im not disagreeing with you Snwdog. And i as well was very much into the early 90s scene when in college. The problem i had was that, when talking about classic rock bands, a lot of the dudes from that scene just sort of dismissed it outright, like they discovered the holy grail of music , and if your roots didnt come from the Ramones and The Clash, two bands i love, you werent legit. Its not as much about the music, as a lot of the fanbase. The Replacements rock, The Clash rock, The Ramones rock,Mission of Burma rock..but dont be an elitist prick ( not you ) and dismiss a whole genre. Xanadoood...I think you may be looking at it wrong. You got to remember the kind of people who seek out these kinds of bands. We were looking for a sound that was different. A sound that wasn't the norm. The reason this genre of music ultimately got dubbed "Alternative" was because it wasn't popular. Bands that became successfully were considered "Sell Outs", because they were subscribing to the norm instead of pushing the envelope with their sound. If you got lots of recognition, you could not longer be in the group photo with Fugazi and Husker Du.   It's not so much an elitist thing. It's a sell out thing. The "post-punk" bands are supposed to be somewhat underground. There is nothing underground about The Who or Zeppelin. Remember that punk was spawned as a rebellion from the norm...and the norm was the stadium rock bands.   Take early REM and then listen to their later work. One is raw and emotional. The other is elevator music (IMO).   If you try to make music for the masses...you are out of the club.

[ILSnwdog]

QUOTE (VarianStar @ Feb 24 2010, 04:22 PM)

Too bad we can't change this thread to be a Post-Punk/Goth/New Wave Appreciation Thread or something. I'm so glad other people here like these bands, for awhile I thought I was the only one!

I think there are a lot of us out there. And if you ever want to talk about "true" alternative music...feel free to PM me.

 

[Xanadoood]

QUOTE (ILSnwdog @ Feb 24 2010, 04:30 PM)

QUOTE (Xanadoood @ Feb 24 2010, 03:47 PM) QUOTE (ILSnwdog @ Feb 24 2010, 02:26 PM) QUOTE (Xanadoood @ Feb 23 2010, 01:43 PM) And please explain to me how classic Zep, Sabbath, and the Who were boring?..I cant jump on board with that one. I can't speak for everyone, but I find those bands "boring" because you are inundated with their music. You can't go a day without hearing a song by one of those bands. I grew up listening to them, but by the time I was 18, I had heard Stairway to Heaven so much that it was no longer special.   Punk, Post-Punk, New Wave, Alternative, what ever you want to call it was something different for me that sounded fresh and incredibly creative. Joy Division, Echo & The Bunnymen, Husker Du (and later Bob Mould solo stuff), The Afghan Whigs, The Cure, Bad Religion, Social Distortion, The Violent Fems, The Replacements, Siouxsie and the Banshees, REM (up to Green), Catherine Wheel, The Ramones, The Clash, and countless others brought me back to a music scene that had gotten very stale in my world. They weren't talentless. They just went in a different direction with their style.   I'd rather hear "Love will tear us apart" over "We won't get fooled again" any day of the week, because LWTUA still sounds fresh over 30 years later. Im not disagreeing with you Snwdog. And i as well was very much into the early 90s scene when in college. The problem i had was that, when talking about classic rock bands, a lot of the dudes from that scene just sort of dismissed it outright, like they discovered the holy grail of music , and if your roots didnt come from the Ramones and The Clash, two bands i love, you werent legit. Its not as much about the music, as a lot of the fanbase. The Replacements rock, The Clash rock, The Ramones rock,Mission of Burma rock..but dont be an elitist prick ( not you ) and dismiss a whole genre. Xanadoood...I think you may be looking at it wrong. You got to remember the kind of people who seek out these kinds of bands. We were looking for a sound that was different. A sound that wasn't the norm. The reason this genre of music ultimately got dubbed "Alternative" was because it wasn't popular. Bands that became successfully were considered "Sell Outs", because they were subscribing to the norm instead of pushing the envelope with their sound. If you got lots of recognition, you could not longer be in the group photo with Fugazi and Husker Du.   It's not so much an elitist thing. It's a sell out thing. The "post-punk" bands are supposed to be somewhat underground. There is nothing underground about The Who or Zeppelin. Remember that punk was spawned as a rebellion from the norm...and the norm was the stadium rock bands.   Take early REM and then listen to their later work. One is raw and emotional. The other is elevator music (IMO).   If you try to make music for the masses...you are out of the club. Oh i know dude. I come from the Boston area. HUGE indie scene here. I mean, back in the 90s, if you were a metal band, it was tough. Indie rock ruled. I just have been debating this for years with dudes from the scene, who , because of the whole " sell out " factor, basically turn into jerks about " keeping it real" and rippin mainstream bands. I like both scenes, and can appreciate both sides.

[ILSnwdog]

QUOTE (Xanadoood @ Feb 24 2010, 04:23 PM)

QUOTE (ILSnwdog @ Feb 24 2010, 02:26 PM) QUOTE (Xanadoood @ Feb 23 2010, 01:43 PM) And please explain to me how classic Zep, Sabbath, and the Who were boring?..I cant jump on board with that one. I can't speak for everyone, but I find those bands "boring" because you are inundated with their music. You can't go a day without hearing a song by one of those bands. I grew up listening to them, but by the time I was 18, I had heard Stairway to Heaven so much that it was no longer special.   Punk, Post-Punk, New Wave, Alternative, what ever you want to call it was something different for me that sounded fresh and incredibly creative. Joy Division, Echo & The Bunnymen, Husker Du (and later Bob Mould solo stuff), The Afghan Whigs, The Cure, Bad Religion, Social Distortion, The Violent Fems, The Replacements, Siouxsie and the Banshees, REM (up to Green), Catherine Wheel, The Ramones, The Clash, and countless others brought me back to a music scene that had gotten very stale in my world. They weren't talentless. They just went in a different direction with their style.   I'd rather hear "Love will tear us apart" over "We won't get fooled again" any day of the week, because LWTUA still sounds fresh over 30 years later. I am a little bit concerned about the WGFA comment. I mean, isnt a great song a great song?..No matter how many times you hear it?...Yes, its been played to death, but that doesnt take away from its greatness. And if i never hear Stairway on the radio again, thats fine by me. But its still a great track. It is an awesome song...but I've heard it sooo many times.   How many rock stations play that song once every single day, every day of the year?   And then ask yourself how many times you've heard "How Soon Is Now" over the last few weeks?

[ILSnwdog]

QUOTE (Xanadoood @ Feb 24 2010, 04:34 PM)

QUOTE (ILSnwdog @ Feb 24 2010, 04:30 PM) QUOTE (Xanadoood @ Feb 24 2010, 03:47 PM) QUOTE (ILSnwdog @ Feb 24 2010, 02:26 PM) QUOTE (Xanadoood @ Feb 23 2010, 01:43 PM) And please explain to me how classic Zep, Sabbath, and the Who were boring?..I cant jump on board with that one. I can't speak for everyone, but I find those bands "boring" because you are inundated with their music. You can't go a day without hearing a song by one of those bands. I grew up listening to them, but by the time I was 18, I had heard Stairway to Heaven so much that it was no longer special.   Punk, Post-Punk, New Wave, Alternative, what ever you want to call it was something different for me that sounded fresh and incredibly creative. Joy Division, Echo & The Bunnymen, Husker Du (and later Bob Mould solo stuff), The Afghan Whigs, The Cure, Bad Religion, Social Distortion, The Violent Fems, The Replacements, Siouxsie and the Banshees, REM (up to Green), Catherine Wheel, The Ramones, The Clash, and countless others brought me back to a music scene that had gotten very stale in my world. They weren't talentless. They just went in a different direction with their style.   I'd rather hear "Love will tear us apart" over "We won't get fooled again" any day of the week, because LWTUA still sounds fresh over 30 years later. Im not disagreeing with you Snwdog. And i as well was very much into the early 90s scene when in college. The problem i had was that, when talking about classic rock bands, a lot of the dudes from that scene just sort of dismissed it outright, like they discovered the holy grail of music , and if your roots didnt come from the Ramones and The Clash, two bands i love, you werent legit. Its not as much about the music, as a lot of the fanbase. The Replacements rock, The Clash rock, The Ramones rock,Mission of Burma rock..but dont be an elitist prick ( not you ) and dismiss a whole genre. Xanadoood...I think you may be looking at it wrong. You got to remember the kind of people who seek out these kinds of bands. We were looking for a sound that was different. A sound that wasn't the norm. The reason this genre of music ultimately got dubbed "Alternative" was because it wasn't popular. Bands that became successfully were considered "Sell Outs", because they were subscribing to the norm instead of pushing the envelope with their sound. If you got lots of recognition, you could not longer be in the group photo with Fugazi and Husker Du.   It's not so much an elitist thing. It's a sell out thing. The "post-punk" bands are supposed to be somewhat underground. There is nothing underground about The Who or Zeppelin. Remember that punk was spawned as a rebellion from the norm...and the norm was the stadium rock bands.   Take early REM and then listen to their later work. One is raw and emotional. The other is elevator music (IMO).   If you try to make music for the masses...you are out of the club. Oh i know dude. I come from the Boston area. HUGE indie scene here. I mean, back in the 90s, if you were a metal band, it was tough. Indie rock ruled. I just have been debating this for years with dudes from the scene, who , because of the whole " sell out " factor, basically turn into jerks about " keeping it real" and rippin mainstream bands. I like both scenes, and can appreciate both sides. Ever listen to Buffalo Tom? They were out of the Boston area. They put a couple of decent albums during the late 80's /early 90's.   Oww...and who could forget the Pixies!

[VarianStar]

QUOTE (Xanadoood @ Feb 24 2010, 05:24 PM)

QUOTE (VarianStar @ Feb 24 2010, 04:22 PM) Too bad we can't change this thread to be a Post-Punk/Goth/New Wave Appreciation Thread or something.  I'm so glad other people here like these bands, for awhile I thought I was the only one! Varian, i do like some of these. I hope you dont think im rippin them. Im just looking at it from a different angle. I get where you are coming from, it's all good!

[VarianStar]

QUOTE (ILSnwdog @ Feb 24 2010, 05:40 PM)

QUOTE (Xanadoood @ Feb 24 2010, 04:34 PM) QUOTE (ILSnwdog @ Feb 24 2010, 04:30 PM) QUOTE (Xanadoood @ Feb 24 2010, 03:47 PM) QUOTE (ILSnwdog @ Feb 24 2010, 02:26 PM) QUOTE (Xanadoood @ Feb 23 2010, 01:43 PM) And please explain to me how classic Zep, Sabbath, and the Who were boring?..I cant jump on board with that one. I can't speak for everyone, but I find those bands "boring" because you are inundated with their music. You can't go a day without hearing a song by one of those bands. I grew up listening to them, but by the time I was 18, I had heard Stairway to Heaven so much that it was no longer special.   Punk, Post-Punk, New Wave, Alternative, what ever you want to call it was something different for me that sounded fresh and incredibly creative. Joy Division, Echo & The Bunnymen, Husker Du (and later Bob Mould solo stuff), The Afghan Whigs, The Cure, Bad Religion, Social Distortion, The Violent Fems, The Replacements, Siouxsie and the Banshees, REM (up to Green), Catherine Wheel, The Ramones, The Clash, and countless others brought me back to a music scene that had gotten very stale in my world. They weren't talentless. They just went in a different direction with their style.   I'd rather hear "Love will tear us apart" over "We won't get fooled again" any day of the week, because LWTUA still sounds fresh over 30 years later. Im not disagreeing with you Snwdog. And i as well was very much into the early 90s scene when in college. The problem i had was that, when talking about classic rock bands, a lot of the dudes from that scene just sort of dismissed it outright, like they discovered the holy grail of music , and if your roots didnt come from the Ramones and The Clash, two bands i love, you werent legit. Its not as much about the music, as a lot of the fanbase. The Replacements rock, The Clash rock, The Ramones rock,Mission of Burma rock..but dont be an elitist prick ( not you ) and dismiss a whole genre. Xanadoood...I think you may be looking at it wrong. You got to remember the kind of people who seek out these kinds of bands. We were looking for a sound that was different. A sound that wasn't the norm. The reason this genre of music ultimately got dubbed "Alternative" was because it wasn't popular. Bands that became successfully were considered "Sell Outs", because they were subscribing to the norm instead of pushing the envelope with their sound. If you got lots of recognition, you could not longer be in the group photo with Fugazi and Husker Du.   It's not so much an elitist thing. It's a sell out thing. The "post-punk" bands are supposed to be somewhat underground. There is nothing underground about The Who or Zeppelin. Remember that punk was spawned as a rebellion from the norm...and the norm was the stadium rock bands.   Take early REM and then listen to their later work. One is raw and emotional. The other is elevator music (IMO).   If you try to make music for the masses...you are out of the club. Oh i know dude. I come from the Boston area. HUGE indie scene here. I mean, back in the 90s, if you were a metal band, it was tough. Indie rock ruled. I just have been debating this for years with dudes from the scene, who , because of the whole " sell out " factor, basically turn into jerks about " keeping it real" and rippin mainstream bands. I like both scenes, and can appreciate both sides. Ever listen to Buffalo Tom? They were out of the Boston area. They put a couple of decent albums during the late 80's /early 90's.   Oww...and who could forget the Pixies! LOVE The Pixies! Frank's solo stuff is amazing too.

[ReRushed]

I have only two genres of music - good music and bad music. Every single genre of popular music has good stuff and bad stuff. That's all I care about.

[GeddyRulz]

QUOTE (VarianStar @ Feb 24 2010, 04:46 PM)

QUOTE (Xanadoood @ Feb 24 2010, 05:24 PM) QUOTE (VarianStar @ Feb 24 2010, 04:22 PM) Too bad we can't change this thread to be a Post-Punk/Goth/New Wave Appreciation Thread or something.  I'm so glad other people here like these bands, for awhile I thought I was the only one! Varian, i do like some of these. I hope you dont think im rippin them. Im just looking at it from a different angle. I get where you are coming from, it's all good! I also like SOME punk, new wave, post-punk, alternative, indie stuff...   It's the fans of those styles of music I often take umbrage with, with their "hipper than thou" attitudes, looking down on me for preferring Classic Rock and Progressive Rock, etc. I think a lot of them are elitist jackasses.

[Rush Cocky]

QUOTE (GeddyRulz @ Feb 24 2010, 05:28 PM)

It's the fans of those styles of music I often take umbrage with, with their "hipper than thou" attitudes, looking down on me for preferring Classic Rock and Progressive Rock, etc. I think a lot of them are elitist jackasses.

 

And to answer the original question.....I don't get it either.

[Rush!]

I believe there are elitists for nearly every style of music.

Some people just think that everyone should listen to what they like.

 

It's good to make suggestions, but I never try to shove any particular style down anyone's throat.

[Xanadoood]

QUOTE (ILSnwdog @ Feb 24 2010, 04:40 PM)

QUOTE (Xanadoood @ Feb 24 2010, 04:34 PM) QUOTE (ILSnwdog @ Feb 24 2010, 04:30 PM) QUOTE (Xanadoood @ Feb 24 2010, 03:47 PM) QUOTE (ILSnwdog @ Feb 24 2010, 02:26 PM) QUOTE (Xanadoood @ Feb 23 2010, 01:43 PM) And please explain to me how classic Zep, Sabbath, and the Who were boring?..I cant jump on board with that one. I can't speak for everyone, but I find those bands "boring" because you are inundated with their music. You can't go a day without hearing a song by one of those bands. I grew up listening to them, but by the time I was 18, I had heard Stairway to Heaven so much that it was no longer special.   Punk, Post-Punk, New Wave, Alternative, what ever you want to call it was something different for me that sounded fresh and incredibly creative. Joy Division, Echo & The Bunnymen, Husker Du (and later Bob Mould solo stuff), The Afghan Whigs, The Cure, Bad Religion, Social Distortion, The Violent Fems, The Replacements, Siouxsie and the Banshees, REM (up to Green), Catherine Wheel, The Ramones, The Clash, and countless others brought me back to a music scene that had gotten very stale in my world. They weren't talentless. They just went in a different direction with their style.   I'd rather hear "Love will tear us apart" over "We won't get fooled again" any day of the week, because LWTUA still sounds fresh over 30 years later. Im not disagreeing with you Snwdog. And i as well was very much into the early 90s scene when in college. The problem i had was that, when talking about classic rock bands, a lot of the dudes from that scene just sort of dismissed it outright, like they discovered the holy grail of music , and if your roots didnt come from the Ramones and The Clash, two bands i love, you werent legit. Its not as much about the music, as a lot of the fanbase. The Replacements rock, The Clash rock, The Ramones rock,Mission of Burma rock..but dont be an elitist prick ( not you ) and dismiss a whole genre. Xanadoood...I think you may be looking at it wrong. You got to remember the kind of people who seek out these kinds of bands. We were looking for a sound that was different. A sound that wasn't the norm. The reason this genre of music ultimately got dubbed "Alternative" was because it wasn't popular. Bands that became successfully were considered "Sell Outs", because they were subscribing to the norm instead of pushing the envelope with their sound. If you got lots of recognition, you could not longer be in the group photo with Fugazi and Husker Du.   It's not so much an elitist thing. It's a sell out thing. The "post-punk" bands are supposed to be somewhat underground. There is nothing underground about The Who or Zeppelin. Remember that punk was spawned as a rebellion from the norm...and the norm was the stadium rock bands.   Take early REM and then listen to their later work. One is raw and emotional. The other is elevator music (IMO).   If you try to make music for the masses...you are out of the club. Oh i know dude. I come from the Boston area. HUGE indie scene here. I mean, back in the 90s, if you were a metal band, it was tough. Indie rock ruled. I just have been debating this for years with dudes from the scene, who , because of the whole " sell out " factor, basically turn into jerks about " keeping it real" and rippin mainstream bands. I like both scenes, and can appreciate both sides. Ever listen to Buffalo Tom? They were out of the Boston area. They put a couple of decent albums during the late 80's /early 90's.   Oww...and who could forget the Pixies! I know some guys who know the guys in Buffalo Tom. How bout Letters To Cleo?..I think the drummer in them formed American Hi Fi. Juliana Hatfield is cool as well. And of course Dinasaour jr. J Mascis is a rippin guitarist.

[ILSnwdog]

QUOTE (VarianStar @ Feb 24 2010, 04:47 PM)

QUOTE (ILSnwdog @ Feb 24 2010, 05:40 PM) QUOTE (Xanadoood @ Feb 24 2010, 04:34 PM) QUOTE (ILSnwdog @ Feb 24 2010, 04:30 PM) QUOTE (Xanadoood @ Feb 24 2010, 03:47 PM) QUOTE (ILSnwdog @ Feb 24 2010, 02:26 PM) QUOTE (Xanadoood @ Feb 23 2010, 01:43 PM) And please explain to me how classic Zep, Sabbath, and the Who were boring?..I cant jump on board with that one. I can't speak for everyone, but I find those bands "boring" because you are inundated with their music. You can't go a day without hearing a song by one of those bands. I grew up listening to them, but by the time I was 18, I had heard Stairway to Heaven so much that it was no longer special.   Punk, Post-Punk, New Wave, Alternative, what ever you want to call it was something different for me that sounded fresh and incredibly creative. Joy Division, Echo & The Bunnymen, Husker Du (and later Bob Mould solo stuff), The Afghan Whigs, The Cure, Bad Religion, Social Distortion, The Violent Fems, The Replacements, Siouxsie and the Banshees, REM (up to Green), Catherine Wheel, The Ramones, The Clash, and countless others brought me back to a music scene that had gotten very stale in my world. They weren't talentless. They just went in a different direction with their style.   I'd rather hear "Love will tear us apart" over "We won't get fooled again" any day of the week, because LWTUA still sounds fresh over 30 years later. Im not disagreeing with you Snwdog. And i as well was very much into the early 90s scene when in college. The problem i had was that, when talking about classic rock bands, a lot of the dudes from that scene just sort of dismissed it outright, like they discovered the holy grail of music , and if your roots didnt come from the Ramones and The Clash, two bands i love, you werent legit. Its not as much about the music, as a lot of the fanbase. The Replacements rock, The Clash rock, The Ramones rock,Mission of Burma rock..but dont be an elitist prick ( not you ) and dismiss a whole genre. Xanadoood...I think you may be looking at it wrong. You got to remember the kind of people who seek out these kinds of bands. We were looking for a sound that was different. A sound that wasn't the norm. The reason this genre of music ultimately got dubbed "Alternative" was because it wasn't popular. Bands that became successfully were considered "Sell Outs", because they were subscribing to the norm instead of pushing the envelope with their sound. If you got lots of recognition, you could not longer be in the group photo with Fugazi and Husker Du.   It's not so much an elitist thing. It's a sell out thing. The "post-punk" bands are supposed to be somewhat underground. There is nothing underground about The Who or Zeppelin. Remember that punk was spawned as a rebellion from the norm...and the norm was the stadium rock bands.   Take early REM and then listen to their later work. One is raw and emotional. The other is elevator music (IMO).   If you try to make music for the masses...you are out of the club. Oh i know dude. I come from the Boston area. HUGE indie scene here. I mean, back in the 90s, if you were a metal band, it was tough. Indie rock ruled. I just have been debating this for years with dudes from the scene, who , because of the whole " sell out " factor, basically turn into jerks about " keeping it real" and rippin mainstream bands. I like both scenes, and can appreciate both sides. Ever listen to Buffalo Tom? They were out of the Boston area. They put a couple of decent albums during the late 80's /early 90's.   Oww...and who could forget the Pixies! LOVE The Pixies! Frank's solo stuff is amazing too. I got a couple of Frank Black's CDs. Damn, I haven't listened to those in a looonnngggg time.

[ILSnwdog]

QUOTE (Xanadoood @ Feb 24 2010, 06:38 PM)

QUOTE (ILSnwdog @ Feb 24 2010, 04:40 PM) QUOTE (Xanadoood @ Feb 24 2010, 04:34 PM) QUOTE (ILSnwdog @ Feb 24 2010, 04:30 PM) QUOTE (Xanadoood @ Feb 24 2010, 03:47 PM) QUOTE (ILSnwdog @ Feb 24 2010, 02:26 PM) QUOTE (Xanadoood @ Feb 23 2010, 01:43 PM) And please explain to me how classic Zep, Sabbath, and the Who were boring?..I cant jump on board with that one. I can't speak for everyone, but I find those bands "boring" because you are inundated with their music. You can't go a day without hearing a song by one of those bands. I grew up listening to them, but by the time I was 18, I had heard Stairway to Heaven so much that it was no longer special.   Punk, Post-Punk, New Wave, Alternative, what ever you want to call it was something different for me that sounded fresh and incredibly creative. Joy Division, Echo & The Bunnymen, Husker Du (and later Bob Mould solo stuff), The Afghan Whigs, The Cure, Bad Religion, Social Distortion, The Violent Fems, The Replacements, Siouxsie and the Banshees, REM (up to Green), Catherine Wheel, The Ramones, The Clash, and countless others brought me back to a music scene that had gotten very stale in my world. They weren't talentless. They just went in a different direction with their style.   I'd rather hear "Love will tear us apart" over "We won't get fooled again" any day of the week, because LWTUA still sounds fresh over 30 years later. Im not disagreeing with you Snwdog. And i as well was very much into the early 90s scene when in college. The problem i had was that, when talking about classic rock bands, a lot of the dudes from that scene just sort of dismissed it outright, like they discovered the holy grail of music , and if your roots didnt come from the Ramones and The Clash, two bands i love, you werent legit. Its not as much about the music, as a lot of the fanbase. The Replacements rock, The Clash rock, The Ramones rock,Mission of Burma rock..but dont be an elitist prick ( not you ) and dismiss a whole genre. Xanadoood...I think you may be looking at it wrong. You got to remember the kind of people who seek out these kinds of bands. We were looking for a sound that was different. A sound that wasn't the norm. The reason this genre of music ultimately got dubbed "Alternative" was because it wasn't popular. Bands that became successfully were considered "Sell Outs", because they were subscribing to the norm instead of pushing the envelope with their sound. If you got lots of recognition, you could not longer be in the group photo with Fugazi and Husker Du.   It's not so much an elitist thing. It's a sell out thing. The "post-punk" bands are supposed to be somewhat underground. There is nothing underground about The Who or Zeppelin. Remember that punk was spawned as a rebellion from the norm...and the norm was the stadium rock bands.   Take early REM and then listen to their later work. One is raw and emotional. The other is elevator music (IMO).   If you try to make music for the masses...you are out of the club. Oh i know dude. I come from the Boston area. HUGE indie scene here. I mean, back in the 90s, if you were a metal band, it was tough. Indie rock ruled. I just have been debating this for years with dudes from the scene, who , because of the whole " sell out " factor, basically turn into jerks about " keeping it real" and rippin mainstream bands. I like both scenes, and can appreciate both sides. Ever listen to Buffalo Tom? They were out of the Boston area. They put a couple of decent albums during the late 80's /early 90's.   Oww...and who could forget the Pixies! I know some guys who know the guys in Buffalo Tom. How bout Letters To Cleo?..I think the drummer in them formed American Hi Fi. Juliana Hatfield is cool as well. And of course Dinasaour jr. J Mascis is a rippin guitarist. There is one song from Letters to Cleo that I love, and I can't remember the name right now(but I have the song in my head). Love Juliana Hatfield's voice. I melt when I hear it. Dino Jr. Rocks. I have the CD with Puke n Cry and the wagon. That's a really good CD.   Isn't Throwing Muses from the Boston area too?