DallasRUSHian Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 Has anyone else noticed how poorly the bass on Presto and Roll The Bones was mixed? You can hear it, but there is no low-end. I wish these 2 albums would get remastered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soni Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 I don't think so, I love the funky sound of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theKeeper Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 exactly my thoughts when I first heard these albums... Actually I think they have been remastered... or at least RTB in 2004... anyone heard the remastered version? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakeHaste Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 Well, I like the sound in them, especially Presto. Maybe a little more bottom end, just as long as you turn up the volume a little, I can barely hear the bass solo in Show Don't Tell! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pags Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 I am particularly fond of how both of those albums sound. It has a bit of spongyness to the bass and low-end, which I understand leaves many unhappy. But I'm fine with it. Both have been remastered, btw. And perhaps those with mega-thousand dollar systems may be able to hear a difference in them, but I cannot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeemfaefife Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 Wasn't this something to do with the tonal range of Wal basses? I saw an interview with Geddy recently saying he wanted to get back to the deeper growl of the Rickie and Fender sounder rather than the more prominent top end of the Wal. He wasn't slagging the Wal, though, cos he felt that fitted well with the kind of songs on the albums on which they were used (PW - RtB-ish?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReRushed Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 Could it be that Rupert Hine is a crappy producer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadwing Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 I have the remastered Presto and it is noticeably better, but you can only fix so much without retracking the entire album song by song. It was mostly due to the Wal basses that Geddy was using. It was ultimately why he switched back to his Fender Jazz for Counterparts. Presto was bad enough, then he got completely fed up after Roll The Bones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Organ Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 the production on both albums are lacking low end, especially Presto. It's not the bass mix but the EQ. I was hoping the remaster would help but it didn't. I can't really tell the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotbass1228 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 Im sure they could have mixed it "better".. But Geddy was using a Wal Bass and thats just the natural sound to it. I like it, its funky. Wheres My Thing, that huge bass run in it!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustard Death Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 I have the remastered versions of both, but I still agree with your complaints... guess that means the remasters won't make you happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weakly Criminal Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borough of Shmeng Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 I mentioned this on another thread earlier today. I have to say I think Rupert Hine ruined these albums. The songs on both albums sound horribly thin, Hine is very much a pop producer as his resume shows (includes Howard Jones, Thompson Twins and Chris DeBurgh). Not just the lack of bottom on Geddy's bass, the guitar and drums both sound weedy and lifeless as well. Peter Collins would have done a far better job with it, but I guess it was just the place they were at in the earlly nineties, looking to learn from new producers and so on. I know the boys all look back especially at Presto and think the album didn't live up to its potential. RTB isn't quite as bad, and generally the material is stronger but still needed a 'ballsier' sound. Listen to live versions to any of the songs from these 2 albums and they come alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ReRushed Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 The best thing about the Rupert Hine produced albums are Alex's guitar solos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidcrystalcompass Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 I think it was more of a phase that the boys were going through. They sounded that way live during that period also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rushfanNlv Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 Geddy makes mention of this fact in the book "Contents Under Pressure". While talking about picking songs for the R30 (I think) tour and going back and listening to those older albums for songs to choose from, he makes a comment like "Wow, some of those albums were really thin sounding" or something like that. I think the common factor was the Wal bass Geddy was using at the time. After that he went back to the Fender and all was right with the world again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BL2112 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 the on thing different with the Remasters is the over all level is higher. Also a friend gave me a vinyl 2112. On Something for Nothing the chorus geddy's voice distorts and on the cd verisons it doesnt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorkingAngel Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 I don't mind the bass sound for those albums but I can see why it may not work for some Rush fans. I don't think Hine ruined them, necessarily, it was just the space the boys were in at the time. They were redefining themselves after the "synth-era" and I remember Presto sounding very experimental when I first heard it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djb Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 yes. Presto is incredibly thin and tinny across all instruments. I blame the producer not the instruments. A shame... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streak85 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 Geddy's bass tone is distinct on Presto and Roll The Bones - identiyfing it deems a different angle. Kind of got the same reasoning with the bass tone on Snakes And Arrows. The albums still rock, either way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Organ Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 I didnt realize how thin Presto and RTB sounded until Counterparts was released. The difference in production was pretty drastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ofsalesmen Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 QUOTE (Fat Organ @ Nov 20 2007, 02:54 PM) I didnt realize how thin Presto and RTB sounded until Counterparts was released. The difference in production was pretty drastic. Yeah that's something I've noticed too. Counterparts is one of my favorite albums but I rarely ever find myself listening to Presto or RTB. They just don't have that well-balanced production I enjoy; basically, the sound lacks balls. That's just me, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReRushed Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 QUOTE (ofsalesmen @ Nov 20 2007, 04:32 PM) QUOTE (Fat Organ @ Nov 20 2007, 02:54 PM) I didnt realize how thin Presto and RTB sounded until Counterparts was released. The difference in production was pretty drastic. Yeah that's something I've noticed too. Counterparts is one of my favorite albums but I rarely ever find myself listening to Presto or RTB. They just don't have that well-balanced production I enjoy; basically, the sound lacks balls. That's just me, though. That's because they started working with Peter Collins again. I guess they weren't willing to give Rupert Hine a third chance. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormtron Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 Presto's production has always bugged me, especially listening with headphones. I think I would like the album a lot more if it sounded better. Roll the Bones doesn't sound great either, but it's definitely better. I just don't like the songs as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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