laughedatbytime Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Mike Trout had a phenomenal year, but I don't think the MVP should ever go to a player on a losing team.They should rename the award then.Why?The V stands for value. There are objective ways of measuring that.Metrics for a basement dweller aren't of value, imo. A-Rod had the best stats, but what value did he add to his team, which finished last?Value is value. Add a qualifier to the name if you mean something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Mike Trout had a phenomenal year, but I don't think the MVP should ever go to a player on a losing team.They should rename the award then.Why?The V stands for value. There are objective ways of measuring that.Metrics for a basement dweller aren't of value, imo. A-Rod had the best stats, but what value did he add to his team, which finished last?Value is value. Add a qualifier to the name if you mean something else.Value is singular in definition? Nonsense. Here's what comes up as a top definition... "the regard that something is held to deserve; the importance, worth, or usefulness of something." What is the importance of efforts that don't consistently result in an end goal in comparison to those that do?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughedatbytime Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Mike Trout had a phenomenal year, but I don't think the MVP should ever go to a player on a losing team.They should rename the award then.Why?The V stands for value. There are objective ways of measuring that.Metrics for a basement dweller aren't of value, imo. A-Rod had the best stats, but what value did he add to his team, which finished last?Value is value. Add a qualifier to the name if you mean something else.Value is singular in definition? Nonsense. Here's what comes up as a top definition... "the regard that something is held to deserve; the importance, worth, or usefulness of something." What is the importance of efforts that don't consistently result in an end goal in comparison to those that do??So the value of a player is dependent on the performance of his teammates? Maybe the word "player" needs to be qualified, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Mike Trout had a phenomenal year, but I don't think the MVP should ever go to a player on a losing team.They should rename the award then.Why?The V stands for value. There are objective ways of measuring that.Metrics for a basement dweller aren't of value, imo. A-Rod had the best stats, but what value did he add to his team, which finished last?Value is value. Add a qualifier to the name if you mean something else.Value is singular in definition? Nonsense. Here's what comes up as a top definition... "the regard that something is held to deserve; the importance, worth, or usefulness of something." What is the importance of efforts that don't consistently result in an end goal in comparison to those that do??So the value of a player is dependent on the performance of his teammates? Maybe the word "player" needs to be qualified, too.It's a team sport, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Probably an Iverson fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughedatbytime Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Mike Trout had a phenomenal year, but I don't think the MVP should ever go to a player on a losing team.They should rename the award then.Why?The V stands for value. There are objective ways of measuring that.Metrics for a basement dweller aren't of value, imo. A-Rod had the best stats, but what value did he add to his team, which finished last?Value is value. Add a qualifier to the name if you mean something else.Value is singular in definition? Nonsense. Here's what comes up as a top definition... "the regard that something is held to deserve; the importance, worth, or usefulness of something." What is the importance of efforts that don't consistently result in an end goal in comparison to those that do??So the value of a player is dependent on the performance of his teammates? Maybe the word "player" needs to be qualified, too.It's a team sport, lol.It's an individual award, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Mike Trout had a phenomenal year, but I don't think the MVP should ever go to a player on a losing team.They should rename the award then.Why?The V stands for value. There are objective ways of measuring that.Metrics for a basement dweller aren't of value, imo. A-Rod had the best stats, but what value did he add to his team, which finished last?Value is value. Add a qualifier to the name if you mean something else.Value is singular in definition? Nonsense. Here's what comes up as a top definition... "the regard that something is held to deserve; the importance, worth, or usefulness of something." What is the importance of efforts that don't consistently result in an end goal in comparison to those that do??So the value of a player is dependent on the performance of his teammates? Maybe the word "player" needs to be qualified, too.It's a team sport, lol.It's an individual award, lol.So, offer me a definition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughedatbytime Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 (edited) Mike Trout had a phenomenal year, but I don't think the MVP should ever go to a player on a losing team.They should rename the award then.Why?The V stands for value. There are objective ways of measuring that.Metrics for a basement dweller aren't of value, imo. A-Rod had the best stats, but what value did he add to his team, which finished last?Value is value. Add a qualifier to the name if you mean something else.Value is singular in definition? Nonsense. Here's what comes up as a top definition... "the regard that something is held to deserve; the importance, worth, or usefulness of something." What is the importance of efforts that don't consistently result in an end goal in comparison to those that do??So the value of a player is dependent on the performance of his teammates? Maybe the word "player" needs to be qualified, too.It's a team sport, lol.It's an individual award, lol.So, offer me a definition.Wins above replacement. Or maybe xwOBA for hitting and DER for defense. FIP for pitchers. Edited October 2, 2019 by laughedatbytime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUSHHEAD666 Posted October 2, 2019 Author Share Posted October 2, 2019 LET'S GO OAKLAND!!!!!! A GREEN AND GOLD CHRISTMAS TOMORROW!!!! The boys will be in their kelly green. Same here! Got my postseason ticket strip today! Going to tailgate with my dad! CAN'T FRIGGING WAIT!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Mike Trout had a phenomenal year, but I don't think the MVP should ever go to a player on a losing team.They should rename the award then.Why?The V stands for value. There are objective ways of measuring that.Metrics for a basement dweller aren't of value, imo. A-Rod had the best stats, but what value did he add to his team, which finished last?Value is value. Add a qualifier to the name if you mean something else.Value is singular in definition? Nonsense. Here's what comes up as a top definition... "the regard that something is held to deserve; the importance, worth, or usefulness of something." What is the importance of efforts that don't consistently result in an end goal in comparison to those that do??So the value of a player is dependent on the performance of his teammates? Maybe the word "player" needs to be qualified, too.It's a team sport, lol.It's an individual award, lol.So, offer me a definition.Wins above replacement. Or maybe xwOBA for hitting and DER for defense. FIP for pitchers.Sounds like you'll need to change the name of the award. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughedatbytime Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Mike Trout had a phenomenal year, but I don't think the MVP should ever go to a player on a losing team.They should rename the award then.Why?The V stands for value. There are objective ways of measuring that.Metrics for a basement dweller aren't of value, imo. A-Rod had the best stats, but what value did he add to his team, which finished last?Value is value. Add a qualifier to the name if you mean something else.Value is singular in definition? Nonsense. Here's what comes up as a top definition... "the regard that something is held to deserve; the importance, worth, or usefulness of something." What is the importance of efforts that don't consistently result in an end goal in comparison to those that do??So the value of a player is dependent on the performance of his teammates? Maybe the word "player" needs to be qualified, too.It's a team sport, lol.It's an individual award, lol.So, offer me a definition.Wins above replacement. Or maybe xwOBA for hitting and DER for defense. FIP for pitchers.Sounds like you'll need to change the name of the award.Nope, these are objective measures of value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Damn, that was a sad loss for Mikwaukee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Mike Trout had a phenomenal year, but I don't think the MVP should ever go to a player on a losing team.They should rename the award then.Why?The V stands for value. There are objective ways of measuring that.Metrics for a basement dweller aren't of value, imo. A-Rod had the best stats, but what value did he add to his team, which finished last?Value is value. Add a qualifier to the name if you mean something else.Value is singular in definition? Nonsense. Here's what comes up as a top definition... "the regard that something is held to deserve; the importance, worth, or usefulness of something." What is the importance of efforts that don't consistently result in an end goal in comparison to those that do??So the value of a player is dependent on the performance of his teammates? Maybe the word "player" needs to be qualified, too.It's a team sport, lol.It's an individual award, lol.So, offer me a definition.Wins above replacement. Or maybe xwOBA for hitting and DER for defense. FIP for pitchers.Sounds like you'll need to change the name of the award.Nope, these are objective measures of value.of production Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughedatbytime Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Mike Trout had a phenomenal year, but I don't think the MVP should ever go to a player on a losing team.They should rename the award then.Why?The V stands for value. There are objective ways of measuring that.Metrics for a basement dweller aren't of value, imo. A-Rod had the best stats, but what value did he add to his team, which finished last?Value is value. Add a qualifier to the name if you mean something else.Value is singular in definition? Nonsense. Here's what comes up as a top definition... "the regard that something is held to deserve; the importance, worth, or usefulness of something." What is the importance of efforts that don't consistently result in an end goal in comparison to those that do??So the value of a player is dependent on the performance of his teammates? Maybe the word "player" needs to be qualified, too.It's a team sport, lol.It's an individual award, lol.So, offer me a definition.Wins above replacement. Or maybe xwOBA for hitting and DER for defense. FIP for pitchers.Sounds like you'll need to change the name of the award.Nope, these are objective measures of value.of productionWhat else contributes to winning baseball games? And what's your definition of value? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick N. Backer Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 It's an interesting debate. I can see the point of arguing that a player can't have been too "valuable" if his team finished last. What would have happened if he wasn't on the team? It's not Best Player but Most Valuable. I've heard some writers argue it can't be a starting pitcher, because he only plays every fifth game. I think that argument is, to borrow a phrase, nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick N. Backer Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 I'm pulling for the Braves, Nationals, Astros and Twins. Love to see a Nationals - Astros series. And f*ck the long ball. Let's see some 2-2 in the 8th pitcher's duels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova Carmina Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Not to get too granular here, but is it "Most Valuable" to a team, or to the sport? In other words, couldn't "Most Valuable" simply mean best, regardless of which team? Maybe they'd have only won 36 games if he weren't there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimsonmistymemory Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Lets GO Rays!! :sundog: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 Diaz with the lead off HR for TB. jerk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Crimsonmistymemory Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 5-1 ^6 :sundog: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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