D3strukt Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 What's up with them not playing these? At least Neurotica, that's a pretty rockin song. I think I made a topic about how I "found" the song a few years ago. I refound it again shortly before the Tampa show. It's a damn good song! Heresy has a great Vocal melody. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclonus X-1 Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Geddy has mentioned a couple of times in the last few years that he doesn't care for Neurotica. Considering its goofy lyrics, I can't blame him. (It's a pretty good song otherwise.) Heresy doesn't seem like the sort of track they're typically interested in playing live. It sucks anyway. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D3strukt Posted May 27, 2015 Author Share Posted May 27, 2015 That prechorus riff by lifeson is pretty f***ing dope though, no? I mean the chorus kind of sucks. But otherwise it's good. Heresy has some really good lyrics, on top of a great vocal melody. But it's song structure seems like Neil's attempt to throw in pieces of his drum solo. Isn't that the song where he got the idea for the electronic part? or was that Scars from Presto? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Analog Cub Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Two garbage songs off a garbage album... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclonus X-1 Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 That prechorus riff by lifeson is pretty f***ing dope though, no? It is. Heresy has some really good lyrics, on top of a great vocal melody. I seem to recall reading somewhere that Geddy was happy with Heresy. But I imagine the band came to the conclusion that it wouldn't be much of crowd-pleaser live--and if so, I think they were right. Also, I think there's actually quite a bit of intra-album competition for setlist spots when it comes to Roll the Bones, as there are a number of other tracks that they seem very fond of playing off it (the title track, Dreamline, Bravado, Ghost of a Chance). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J2112YYZ Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 There are six songs on RTB that I like, those two songs aren't on that list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D3strukt Posted May 27, 2015 Author Share Posted May 27, 2015 Huh, maybe i'm alone then. *shrug* Ironically, I don't like RTB, or Dreamline much, but I love Ghost and Face Up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vital signz Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 I have always liked the chords and bass line in Neurotica. The song has a cool vibeica. It gets goingica quite wellica. Then something happens that makes it weirdica. I have never been quite able to put into wordsica what it isica. But somethingica happensica that kindaica makesica meica notica likeica itica forica someica reasonica asica muchica asica someica ofica theica otherica songica onica theica albumica 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedRush Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Two garbage songs off a garbage album... We weren't talking about 2 randomly chosen songs from Counterparts, so this comment confuses me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedRush Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 I think Cyclonus got it right...they don't really like Neurotica, probably because of the lyrics, and my guess is that Heresy just wouldn't be a great live song, and some others from around that time already fill up that space...like Bravado or The Pass, both of which the band really likes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluefox4000 Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 The song in general sucks..........but the guitar solo in Neurotica is VASTLY underrated. Mick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segue Myles Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 The song in general sucks..........but the guitar solo in Neurotica is VASTLY underrated. Mick Agreed, but sadly one cannot choose to listen to that solo isolated from the rest. Heresy is OK,but when they sing "crap", it sounds like your nicest auntie trying her best to look tough. I don't like swearing, but the attempt here sounds oh so very lame. I don't hate the song, but like many of the 90's Rush albums, Heresy, like Neurotics, is a fairly adequate song weakened further by inane lyrics. And with Geddy's vocals always so beautifully pronounced and properly enunciated, if the lyrics are atrocious, there is no way around it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedRush Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 The song in general sucks..........but the guitar solo in Neurotica is VASTLY underrated. Mick Agreed, but sadly one cannot choose to listen to that solo isolated from the rest. Heresy is OK,but when they sing "crap", it sounds like your nicest auntie trying her best to look tough. I don't like swearing, but the attempt here sounds oh so very lame. I don't hate the song, but like many of the 90's Rush albums, Heresy, like Neurotics, is a fairly adequate song weakened further by inane lyrics. And with Geddy's vocals always so beautifully pronounced and properly enunciated, if the lyrics are atrocious, there is no way around it. Interesting, I think Heresy's lyrics are great, and still relevant today. Unlike, for example, any songs from Toto. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D3strukt Posted May 27, 2015 Author Share Posted May 27, 2015 All around that dull grey worldFrom Moscow to BerlinPeople storm the barricadesWalls go tumbling in The counter-revolutionPeople smiling through their tearsWho can give them back their livesAnd all those wasted years?All those precious wasted yearsWho will pay? All around that dull grey worldOf ideologyPeople storm the marketplaceAnd buy up fantasy The counter-revolutionAt the counter of a storePeople buy the things they wantAnd borrow for a little moreAll those wasted yearsAll those precious wasted yearsWho will pay? Do we have to be forgiving at last?What else can we do?Do we have to say goodbye to the past?Yes I guess we do All around this great big worldAll the crap we had to takeBombs and basement fallout sheltersAll our lives at stake The bloody revolutionAll the warheads in its wakeAll the fear and sufferingAll a big mistakeAll those wasted yearsAll those precious wasted yearsWho will pay? These aren't bad lyrics people. They're on the same level as Open Secrets, IMO. I love Open Secrets BTW, great song. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super25Smasher Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 I love these songs. Roll The Bones is very underrated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod in Toronto Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 The beauty of not being a native English speaker is that I'm not that bothered by allegedly crappy lyrics. Neurotica is a great song in my book - great riffs and solo from Alex. Heresy is not my cup of tea though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segue Myles Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 The song in general sucks..........but the guitar solo in Neurotica is VASTLY underrated. Mick Agreed, but sadly one cannot choose to listen to that solo isolated from the rest. Heresy is OK,but when they sing "crap", it sounds like your nicest auntie trying her best to look tough. I don't like swearing, but the attempt here sounds oh so very lame. I don't hate the song, but like many of the 90's Rush albums, Heresy, like Neurotics, is a fairly adequate song weakened further by inane lyrics. And with Geddy's vocals always so beautifully pronounced and properly enunciated, if the lyrics are atrocious, there is no way around it. Interesting, I think Heresy's lyrics are great, and still relevant today. Unlike, for example, any songs from Toto. Toto and Rush are two very different bands, offering music for very different needs. An absolutely rubbish comparison. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedRush Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 The song in general sucks..........but the guitar solo in Neurotica is VASTLY underrated. Mick Agreed, but sadly one cannot choose to listen to that solo isolated from the rest. Heresy is OK,but when they sing "crap", it sounds like your nicest auntie trying her best to look tough. I don't like swearing, but the attempt here sounds oh so very lame. I don't hate the song, but like many of the 90's Rush albums, Heresy, like Neurotics, is a fairly adequate song weakened further by inane lyrics. And with Geddy's vocals always so beautifully pronounced and properly enunciated, if the lyrics are atrocious, there is no way around it. Interesting, I think Heresy's lyrics are great, and still relevant today. Unlike, for example, any songs from Toto. Toto and Rush are two very different bands, offering music for very different needs. An absolutely rubbish comparison. Yes, in comparing Toto to a good band, you can see that they are rubbish. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segue Myles Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 The song in general sucks..........but the guitar solo in Neurotica is VASTLY underrated. Mick Agreed, but sadly one cannot choose to listen to that solo isolated from the rest. Heresy is OK,but when they sing "crap", it sounds like your nicest auntie trying her best to look tough. I don't like swearing, but the attempt here sounds oh so very lame. I don't hate the song, but like many of the 90's Rush albums, Heresy, like Neurotics, is a fairly adequate song weakened further by inane lyrics. And with Geddy's vocals always so beautifully pronounced and properly enunciated, if the lyrics are atrocious, there is no way around it. Interesting, I think Heresy's lyrics are great, and still relevant today. Unlike, for example, any songs from Toto. Toto and Rush are two very different bands, offering music for very different needs. An absolutely rubbish comparison. Yes, in comparing Toto to a good band, you can see that they are rubbish. Toto are a great AOR band, and in many ways they are my preferred of the two. I love Rush, but my favourite Toto albums mean more to me than the entire discography of Rush. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedRush Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 The song in general sucks..........but the guitar solo in Neurotica is VASTLY underrated. Mick Agreed, but sadly one cannot choose to listen to that solo isolated from the rest. Heresy is OK,but when they sing "crap", it sounds like your nicest auntie trying her best to look tough. I don't like swearing, but the attempt here sounds oh so very lame. I don't hate the song, but like many of the 90's Rush albums, Heresy, like Neurotics, is a fairly adequate song weakened further by inane lyrics. And with Geddy's vocals always so beautifully pronounced and properly enunciated, if the lyrics are atrocious, there is no way around it. Interesting, I think Heresy's lyrics are great, and still relevant today. Unlike, for example, any songs from Toto. Toto and Rush are two very different bands, offering music for very different needs. An absolutely rubbish comparison. Yes, in comparing Toto to a good band, you can see that they are rubbish. Toto are a great AOR band, and in many ways they are my preferred of the two. I love Rush, but my favourite Toto albums mean more to me than the entire discography of Rush. One of the many reasons the world is an interesting place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segue Myles Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 (edited) Its worth remembering that Toto have sold around five million albums less than Rush. And not every person would even agree that Rush are a good band. So whatever ones think of another's taste, there is always someone else looking at you thinking even they know better. Edited May 27, 2015 by Segue Myles 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D3strukt Posted May 27, 2015 Author Share Posted May 27, 2015 You know what I like? I really really like Duran Duran. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segue Myles Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 You know what I like? I really really like Duran Duran. I do too. And Spandau Ballet, Flock Of Seagulls, The Police and Bon Jovi. If anyone thinks they are superior in taste, good for you but my opinions remain the same. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod in Toronto Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Thanks to this topic, I´m listening to Roll the Bones in full at work today. I take it for what it is, and enjoy it quite a lot! Funy enough, a lot of people think RTB is Rush playing safe. I think it´s the exact opposite: a band betting on themselves and releasing an album of new material, in a time when a lot of other bands were confused with the new state of things in the music business and started to bet on live albums and compilations. Think of how many bands went down that route at the time: Kiss (Alive IV), Iron Maiden (A Real Live One, A Real Dead One, Live at Donnington), AC/DC (AC/DC Live), Van Halen (Live Right Here Right Now). Many other less expressive acts fell apart with the rise of grunge, but not Rush, who stuck to their guns and kept releasing new and interesting music during that period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedRush Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Thanks to this topic, I´m listening to Roll the Bones in full at work today. I take it for what it is, and enjoy it quite a lot! Funy enough, a lot of people think RTB is Rush playing safe. I think it´s the exact opposite: a band betting on themselves and releasing an album of new material, in a time when a lot of other bands were confused with the new state of things in the music business and started to bet on live albums and compilations. Think of how many bands went down that route at the time: Kiss (Alive IV), Iron Maiden (A Real Live One, A Real Dead One, Live at Donnington), AC/DC (AC/DC Live), Van Halen (Live Right Here Right Now). Many other less expressive acts fell apart with the rise of grunge, but not Rush, who stuck to their guns and kept releasing new and interesting music during that period. And it reversed a decade long slide in album sales and got the band on the radio in a big way for the first time in almost as long. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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