The Muscle Car Thread

[ILSnwdog]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-XGfYPH7WxSI/URe_xK7ayOI/AAAAAAAAiIE/j1dUPMErTeo/s1600/1969+chevrolet+camaro+Z28.jpg

I'm a Mopar guy but I'd drive this all day.

The Z/28 with the RS package is quite rare. :haz:

[ILSnwdog]

1958 Olds Super 88. For it's day, a pretty fast car.

http://images.classiccars.com/classifieds/396353_14693536_1957_Oldsmobile_Super%2B88.jpg

[treeduck]

http://image.superchevy.com/f/features/nova/9111451+w799+h499+cr1+ar0/sucs_0700_09_z%2B1962_chevy_nova%2Bdriver_side_view.jpg

[H. P. L.]

http://moparblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Challenger-Vanishing-Point.jpg

http://www.amcarguide.com/wp-content/gallery/kowalski-challenger/vanishing-point-kowalski-1970-challenger.jpg

 

http://www.challengerblogger.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/vanishing_point_X.jpg

http://www.curbsideclassic.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Vanishing-Point-junkyard.png

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ukIAiMwVEuA/UYL1SnstsNI/AAAAAAAAIsg/4JAscX3TnEc/s1600/1970-dodge-challenger-rt-vanishing-point.jpg

http://www.andysowards.com/blog/assets/vanishingpoint.jpg?b91b38

 

Annual viewing in my Challenger obessed home, 1971's Vanishing Point. Kowalski and his Challenger R/T.

The only muscle car I could think of! Let's spread some Kowalski love!!

[treeduck]

1969 Pontiac Firebird 400 coupe

 

http://www.collectioncar.com/files/1969-Pontiac-Firebird-87411341390093.jpg

[treeduck]

Ford Mustang 1968 Shelby GT500

 

http://fordaddict.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Auto_Ford_Mustang_Mustang_shelby_gt_500_kr___1968_028031_.jpg

[treeduck]

1964 GTO Tri-Power!

 

http://assets.hemmings.com/uimage/30964926-770-0@2X.jpg?rev=2

[ILSnwdog]

1964 GTO Tri-Power!

 

http://assets.hemmings.com/uimage/30964926-770-0@2X.jpg?rev=2

The first "Goat". :haz:

[ILSnwdog]

1969 Pontiac Firebird 400 coupe

 

http://www.collectioncar.com/files/1969-Pontiac-Firebird-87411341390093.jpg

My wife's cousin restored one of these. His was a white rag top. He sold it last fall so he could start another project.

[treeduck]

1964 GTO Tri-Power!

 

http://assets.hemmings.com/uimage/30964926-770-0@2X.jpg?rev=2

The first "Goat". :haz:

 

:clap:

[ILSnwdog]

I've always loved these. 1969 Shelby GT500.

 

http://cdn.barrett-jackson.com/staging/carlist/items/Fullsize/Cars/138282/138282_Front_3-4_Web.jpg

[The Analog Grownup]

I love these cars. You can actually tell them apart unlike todays cars.

[ILSnwdog]

I had one of these when I was 19. 1966 Oldsmobile Starfire. 430 big block. I used to put on some prodigious smoke shows with this beast.

 

Mine was identical to this one, right down to the wire wheel hub caps.

http://images.classiccars.com/classifieds/362984_13952859_1966_Oldsmobile_Starfire.jpg

[ILSnwdog]

I love these cars. You can actually tell them apart unlike todays cars.

Back in the 50, 60, and 70s, cars would get a facelift every year or two. It was fairly easy to pick out a 1969 Impala from a 1970 Impala. The cars were also easy to work on and modify.

 

But with the exception of blasting through a quarter mile, the cars from yesterday can't perform with what is being produced today. I used to have a 2009 Pontiac G8 GT. I put Flowmaster exhaust and a K&N cold air intake on it, and it would do a mid 13 sec 1/4 mile and 0-60 in 5 seconds flat, but out corning and brake just about anything produced in the 60s. And on top of that, in the 60,000 miles that I drove it, the only thing I did do it was change the oil, brake pads, and tires. The cars from back then needed "tune ups" regularly.

[x1yyz]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-XGfYPH7WxSI/URe_xK7ayOI/AAAAAAAAiIE/j1dUPMErTeo/s1600/1969+chevrolet+camaro+Z28.jpg

I'm a Mopar guy but I'd drive this all day.

 

Yes! Nice car.

[x1yyz]

The 1969 Camaro ZL1. 500 hp (stock!) aluminum black 427. This would turn an 11 second 1/4 mile on slicks.

http://www.heartbeatcity.net/cars/zl1_40/BODY01.jpg

Less than 100 were made, and if you happened to own one of the survivors, you could get over $300,000 for your $7,200 investment.

 

What in the...? I've never heard of this before. Any idea what the difference was between the ZL1 and the Z28, RS, or SS?

[Lost In Xanadu]

I love these cars. You can actually tell them apart unlike todays cars.

Back in the 50, 60, and 70s, cars would get a facelift every year or two. It was fairly easy to pick out a 1969 Impala from a 1970 Impala. The cars were also easy to work on and modify.

 

But with the exception of blasting through a quarter mile, the cars from yesterday can't perform with what is being produced today. I used to have a 2009 Pontiac G8 GT. I put Flowmaster exhaust and a K&N cold air intake on it, and it would do a mid 13 sec 1/4 mile and 0-60 in 5 seconds flat, but out corning and brake just about anything produced in the 60s. And on top of that, in the 60,000 miles that I drove it, the only thing I did do it was change the oil, brake pads, and tires. The cars from back then needed "tune ups" regularly.

Look at Kia and Hyundai - they try to make their cars look like other cars. And who can tell an 08 Malibu from an 09 Malibu?

[Lost In Xanadu]

Muscle muscle car....

 

http://edmarsh.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/edmarsh-limerock2012-_EDM8090.jpg

[The Analog Cub]

I had one of these when I was 19. 1966 Oldsmobile Starfire. 430 big block. I used to put on some prodigious smoke shows with this beast.

 

Mine was identical to this one, right down to the wire wheel hub caps.

http://images.classiccars.com/classifieds/362984_13952859_1966_Oldsmobile_Starfire.jpg

 

The new Oldsmobiles are in early this year!

[Lost In Xanadu]

I had one of these when I was 19. 1966 Oldsmobile Starfire. 430 big block. I used to put on some prodigious smoke shows with this beast.

 

Mine was identical to this one, right down to the wire wheel hub caps.

http://images.classiccars.com/classifieds/362984_13952859_1966_Oldsmobile_Starfire.jpg

 

The new Oldsmobiles are in early this year!

http://media.giphy.com/media/8tqxPvR3wMPug/giphy.gif

[ILSnwdog]

The 1969 Camaro ZL1. 500 hp (stock!) aluminum black 427. This would turn an 11 second 1/4 mile on slicks.

http://www.heartbeatcity.net/cars/zl1_40/BODY01.jpg

Less than 100 were made, and if you happened to own one of the survivors, you could get over $300,000 for your $7,200 investment.

 

What in the...? I've never heard of this before. Any idea what the difference was between the ZL1 and the Z28, RS, or SS?

OK, some Camaro basics:

 

The Z/28 was built for SCCA Trans Am racing. Trans Am racing had a 5.0 liter limit on displacement, so the Z/28 came with a 302 ci (5 liters) V-8 with solid lifters. It was a pretty nasty machine for only having 302 cubes. Z/28s are far rarer than the SS, and are worth more.

 

The SS was the Super Sport package. You could get a Camaro SS in the 60s with either a 350 or 396, and beefed up suspension. The SS was the bad boy.

 

The RS was the Rally Sport, and it was an "appearance" package. You could order the RS package on any Camaro, including the V-6. You could also order the RS package with the SS package or the Z/28. You can tell an RS Camaro by the hideaway headlights. Having an SS or Z/28 with the RS package makes a Camaro more valuable, because they are more rare.

 

And now the ZL1. That was a "COPO" Camaro. COPO stands for Central Office Production Order, and COPO Camaros were special order Camaros, usually ordered for racing, and couldn't be ordered at just any Chevy dealership. The COPO Camaros came with the ultra nasty 427 big block V-8. The ZL1 was the King of all COPO Camaros because it had an aluminum 427, so the car had Corvette power, but weighed the same as a V-6 Camaro. It held the title as the quickest Chevy for decades.

 

 

[x1yyz]

The 1969 Camaro ZL1. 500 hp (stock!) aluminum black 427. This would turn an 11 second 1/4 mile on slicks.

http://www.heartbeatcity.net/cars/zl1_40/BODY01.jpg

Less than 100 were made, and if you happened to own one of the survivors, you could get over $300,000 for your $7,200 investment.

 

What in the...? I've never heard of this before. Any idea what the difference was between the ZL1 and the Z28, RS, or SS?

OK, some Camaro basics:

 

The Z/28 was built for SCCA Trans Am racing. Trans Am racing had a 5.0 liter limit on displacement, so the Z/28 came with a 302 ci (5 liters) V-8 with solid lifters. It was a pretty nasty machine for only having 302 cubes. Z/28s are far rarer than the SS, and are worth more.

 

The SS was the Super Sport package. You could get a Camaro SS in the 60s with either a 350 or 396, and beefed up suspension. The SS was the bad boy.

 

The RS was the Rally Sport, and it was an "appearance" package. You could order the RS package on any Camaro, including the V-6. You could also order the RS package with the SS package or the Z/28. You can tell an RS Camaro by the hideaway headlights. Having an SS or Z/28 with the RS package makes a Camaro more valuable, because they are more rare.

 

And now the ZL1. That was a "COPO" Camaro. COPO stands for Central Office Production Order, and COPO Camaros were special order Camaros, usually ordered for racing, and couldn't be ordered at just any Chevy dealership. The COPO Camaros came with the ultra nasty 427 big block V-8. The ZL1 was the King of all COPO Camaros because it had an aluminum 427, so the car had Corvette power, but weighed the same as a V-6 Camaro. It held the title as the quickest Chevy for decades.

 

Cool, thank you. I knew a little about Camaros from owning them for years, but the ZL1 was new to me. I thought my 396 was the biggest engine they had. (And that car was fast!) Were the ZL1s only made in 1969? To the best of my knowledge the Z28 was first produced in '69.

[JohnRogers]

 

My second car was a new 1986 Camaro IROC Z28, blue with t-tops, like this one:

 

http://i44.tinypic.com/10py3yo.jpg

I hated that car when new in '86. I love to have one just like that in mint condition today.

[ILSnwdog]

The 1969 Camaro ZL1. 500 hp (stock!) aluminum black 427. This would turn an 11 second 1/4 mile on slicks.

http://www.heartbeatcity.net/cars/zl1_40/BODY01.jpg

Less than 100 were made, and if you happened to own one of the survivors, you could get over $300,000 for your $7,200 investment.

 

What in the...? I've never heard of this before. Any idea what the difference was between the ZL1 and the Z28, RS, or SS?

OK, some Camaro basics:

 

The Z/28 was built for SCCA Trans Am racing. Trans Am racing had a 5.0 liter limit on displacement, so the Z/28 came with a 302 ci (5 liters) V-8 with solid lifters. It was a pretty nasty machine for only having 302 cubes. Z/28s are far rarer than the SS, and are worth more.

 

The SS was the Super Sport package. You could get a Camaro SS in the 60s with either a 350 or 396, and beefed up suspension. The SS was the bad boy.

 

The RS was the Rally Sport, and it was an "appearance" package. You could order the RS package on any Camaro, including the V-6. You could also order the RS package with the SS package or the Z/28. You can tell an RS Camaro by the hideaway headlights. Having an SS or Z/28 with the RS package makes a Camaro more valuable, because they are more rare.

 

And now the ZL1. That was a "COPO" Camaro. COPO stands for Central Office Production Order, and COPO Camaros were special order Camaros, usually ordered for racing, and couldn't be ordered at just any Chevy dealership. The COPO Camaros came with the ultra nasty 427 big block V-8. The ZL1 was the King of all COPO Camaros because it had an aluminum 427, so the car had Corvette power, but weighed the same as a V-6 Camaro. It held the title as the quickest Chevy for decades.

 

Cool, thank you. I knew a little about Camaros from owning them for years, but the ZL1 was new to me. I thought my 396 was the biggest engine they had. (And that car was fast!) Were the ZL1s only made in 1969? To the best of my knowledge the Z28 was first produced in '69.

69 was the only year they built the ZL1, until the slapped the badge on the top of line Camaro in 2012. The current ZL1 has a 580 horsepower supercharged 6.2 liter V-8. It does 0-60 in under 4 seconds.

 

The Z/28 was first built in 67, and they only made just over 600 of them. The current Z/28 has a 505 horsepower 7.0 liter V-8. It's not as quick as the ZL1, but will kick its ass on a racetrack. Actually, the current Z/28 will smoke cars twice it's price on the track.

[ILSnwdog]

 

My second car was a new 1986 Camaro IROC Z28, blue with t-tops, like this one:

 

http://i44.tinypic.com/10py3yo.jpg

I hated that car when new in '86. I love to have one just like that in mint condition today.

That generation Camaro looks nice, but the chassis on those sucked. They had no rigidity. The 93 Camaro was a huge improvement.