Terrapin Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 For mastering a brilliant album so dreadfully... I'm sorry, but I have listened to the ACTUAL CD several times now and it really, truly sucks as regards the sonic clarity. I can almost forgive Nick R and all his enthusiasm, "conducting" prowess, but whatever multi-tracks he passed on to Bernie have been sonically destroyed with over compression. Do the boys care? I don't know. Perhaps they're thinking that having done their collective best in the studio, Nick and Bernie would sort it all out for them... On the other hand, maybe this mess of a production is par the course these days and Rush are just going along with it as a Foo Fighting, "measure of the time" Regardless, the album is a complete and utter sonic mess... Over to you Peter Collins ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merely Space Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Sorry, mastering sounds fine to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphseeker Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed person - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrapin Posted June 12, 2012 Author Share Posted June 12, 2012 (edited) Edited June 13, 2012 by Terrapin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Analog_Bro Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Sure the mastering could be better but its far from unlistenable. Hell its at least an improvement over Snakes and Arrows and especially Vapor Trails! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUP1771 Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 Oh for crying out loud... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marblesmike Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 To be fair it's pretty bad but not unbearable. Someone ran a dynamic range test on it and it had a DR6 rating... That's pretty bad. Meanwhile, the vinyl has a DR11 rating. Who's unarmed now? For the record I love the album; I just wish it didn't give me a headache every time I want to crank it :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrapin Posted June 13, 2012 Author Share Posted June 13, 2012 I'm sorry, but the mastering is appalling. I'm a massive Fanboy or "Fanboi" whatever... but this thing sounds like a carefully executed fart trying to escape from a well weaved, 3-ply piece of perfumed toilet paper... Songs are great, performances are great as well. Such a shame, it could have been immense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ak2112 Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 Agreed. I just do not understand how such a sonic abortion could have been allowed to happen again. Did the band learn nothing from VT? I just dont think they care, which is sad. Let Steven Wilson master it and it'll sound fantastic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Analog_Bro Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 QUOTE (Terrapin @ Jun 12 2012, 07:12 PM) I'm sorry, but the mastering is appalling. I'm a massive Fanboy or "Fanboi" whatever... but this thing sounds like a carefully executed fart trying to escape from a well weaved, 3-ply piece of perfumed toilet paper... Songs are great, performances are great as well. Such a shame, it could have been immense! If this is appaling what the hell do you call Vapor Trails? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReflectedLight Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 this would have never happened with terry brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThinkingBig Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 QUOTE (Terrapin @ Jun 12 2012, 06:38 PM) For mastering a brilliant album so dreadfully... I'm sorry, but I have listened to the ACTUAL CD several times now and it really, truly sucks as regards the sonic clarity. I can almost forgive Nick R and all his enthusiasm, "conducting" prowess, but whatever multi-tracks he passed on to Bernie have been sonically destroyed with over compression. Do the boys care? I don't know. Perhaps they're thinking that having done their collective best in the studio, Nick and Bernie would sort it all out for them... On the other hand, maybe this mess of a production is par the course these days and Rush are just going along with it as a Foo Fighting, "measure of the time" Regardless, the album is a complete and utter sonic mess... Over to you Peter Collins ... Good God, the audiophiles with the golden ear who all know better than the professionals that RUSH hires. "why don't they hire me??" Enough with the "I know better than working industry professionals" crap. You don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
losingit2k Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 QUOTE (Terrapin @ Jun 12 2012, 06:38 PM) For mastering a brilliant album so dreadfully... I'm sorry, but I have listened to the ACTUAL CD several times now and it really, truly sucks as regards the sonic clarity. I can almost forgive Nick R and all his enthusiasm, "conducting" prowess, but whatever multi-tracks he passed on to Bernie have been sonically destroyed with over compression. Do the boys care? I don't know. Perhaps they're thinking that having done their collective best in the studio, Nick and Bernie would sort it all out for them... On the other hand, maybe this mess of a production is par the course these days and Rush are just going along with it as a Foo Fighting, "measure of the time" Regardless, the album is a complete and utter sonic mess... Over to you Peter Collins ... I guess you didn't hear the door slamming behind all the Trolls as they dragged themselves back into their caves....We don't care! We know its good! There's really nothing you can say that would really be relevant. You're preaching to a choir of trolls! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ak2112 Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 QUOTE (ThinkingBig @ Jun 12 2012, 07:20 PM) QUOTE (Terrapin @ Jun 12 2012, 06:38 PM) For mastering a brilliant album so dreadfully... I'm sorry, but I have listened to the ACTUAL CD several times now and it really, truly sucks as regards the sonic clarity. I can almost forgive Nick R and all his enthusiasm, "conducting" prowess, but whatever multi-tracks he passed on to Bernie have been sonically destroyed with over compression. Do the boys care? I don't know. Perhaps they're thinking that having done their collective best in the studio, Nick and Bernie would sort it all out for them... On the other hand, maybe this mess of a production is par the course these days and Rush are just going along with it as a Foo Fighting, "measure of the time" Regardless, the album is a complete and utter sonic mess... Over to you Peter Collins ... Good God, the audiophiles with the golden ear who all know better than the professionals that RUSH hires. "why don't they hire me??" Enough with the "I know better than working industry professionals" crap. You don't. The "industry professionals" merely master stuff as loud as posssible these days. They DO know better, they just dont care about dynamic range anymore. Its all about being louder than the next guy. They know that by doing so, they're not going to end up with an audiophile quality album. You dont have to be a mastering engineer to be able to measure a brickwalled album. Maybe you should take the time to learn about these kind of things instead of just critisizing out of ignorance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilbertk Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 I guess some people HAVE to complain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
They Bow Defeated Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 Where's the obligatory posting of the waveform images? http://i46.tinypic.com/2wpum1h.jpg It's going to be a long summer, that's for sure. I predict this mastering complaint and the "faith bashing" accusation will be the two rallying cries for the CA haterz. I guess they have to latch onto something since CA is obviously shaping up as a near-classic for Rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Analog_Bro Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 I feel like it is a legitimate complaint, but man are people being overly dramatic about this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ak2112 Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 Look, what the hell is wrong with wanting the best possible sound out of such a great album? There's no reason for such a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrapin Posted June 13, 2012 Author Share Posted June 13, 2012 QUOTE (ak2112 @ Jun 13 2012, 12:13 AM) Agreed. I just do not understand how such a sonic abortion could have been allowed to happen again. Did the band learn nothing from VT? I just dont think they care, which is sad. Let Steven Wilson master it and it'll sound fantastic! Very well put. One would think that the mistakes of VP should have been a lessoned learned. Perhaps, the boys are thinking more in terms of golf, wine, prose, baseball these days? Fact is, the album sounds dreadful,. Furthermore, I don't think Nick R is the right man for the job. He may get the boys all excited and "conduct" Neil with his comedy drumstick, say funny things like "Boughze" but it isn't helping the overall sound! The mastering process is a fine art and arguably, the most important aspect as regards to the overall album release. IMHO the boys have seriously taken their eyes off the ball with this one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThinkingBig Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThinkingBig Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 QUOTE (They Bow Defeated @ Jun 12 2012, 07:30 PM) Where's the obligatory posting of the waveform images? http://i46.tinypic.com/2wpum1h.jpg It's going to be a long summer, that's for sure. I predict this mastering complaint and the "faith bashing" accusation will be the two rallying cries for the CA haterz. I guess they have to latch onto something since CA is obviously shaping up as a near-classic for Rush. Because nothing proves you know better than Geddy Lee than posting a pic of your computer screen on the Rush Forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snaked Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 RUSH could release an album that sounds like The Nightfly and people on these forums would spout off nonsense like "zOMG! It's got teh brIckwAllzzzz!" Relax people.. it's fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
They Bow Defeated Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 QUOTE (Terrapin @ Jun 12 2012, 07:34 PM) One would think that the mistakes of VP should have been a lessoned learned. Perhaps, the boys are thinking more in terms of golf, wine, prose, baseball these days? Vapor... Pails? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrapin Posted June 13, 2012 Author Share Posted June 13, 2012 QUOTE (They Bow Defeated @ Jun 13 2012, 12:30 AM) Where's the obligatory posting of the waveform images? http://i46.tinypic.com/2wpum1h.jpg It's going to be a long summer, that's for sure. I predict this mastering complaint and the "faith bashing" accusation will be the two rallying cries for the CA haterz. I guess they have to latch onto something since CA is obviously shaping up as a near-classic for Rush. Nope, don't hate Clockwork Angels, in fact, I love most of it. My issue is with the mastering. Not particularly interested in religion or the "bashing" thereof. Just don't like the mastering and the lack of sonic clarity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUP1771 Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 People must have really picky ears. I have no problem with people expressing their opinions, but people just get too picky at times. Hell, I blasted the songs in the crappy, leaked mp3 format in my cars stereo and while points were a bit harsh, it was overall alright. I can't imagine what it will sound like once I get the CD to play in my car. The music sounds fine. It might not be as good as you'd like, but come on, people are exaggerating something to the point of insanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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