They Bow Defeated Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 QUOTE (Terrapin @ Jun 5 2012, 09:17 PM)Absolutely dreadful "Producer" Why is he a producer? Who is he? Why are the Rush boys putting their collective faith in this compression happy, grunge loving idiot? Terry Brown anyone? Every "producer" since has been a mistake, hence the continual search. Perhaps Terry is the Watchmaker... Couldn't be any worse. Wow... http://i46.tinypic.com/2wpum1h.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gompers Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 S&A has a great mix, IMO. I don't get anyone else saying it doesn't have a great mix. Maybe they have a bad copy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowdog2112 Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metaldad Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 QUOTE (danielmclark @ Jun 5 2012, 09:26 PM) Please don't feed the troll. You can tell them not to feed all you want , they Never listen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionDetector Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 QUOTE (Gompers @ Jun 6 2012, 01:06 PM) S&A has a great mix, IMO. I don't get anyone else saying it doesn't have a great mix. Maybe they have a bad copy. No kidding. I mean, if people dislike the songs on S&A, that's one thing. But come on, the mix and sound is perfect IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Presto-digitation Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 QUOTE (They Bow Defeated @ Jun 6 2012, 12:06 PM) QUOTE (Terrapin @ Jun 5 2012, 09:17 PM)Absolutely dreadful "Producer" Why is he a producer? Who is he? Why are the Rush boys putting their collective faith in this compression happy, grunge loving idiot? Terry Brown anyone? Every "producer" since has been a mistake, hence the continual search. Perhaps Terry is the Watchmaker... Couldn't be any worse. Wow... http://i46.tinypic.com/2wpum1h.jpg It could definitely be worse. It could sound like Vapor Trails. That alone nullifies this comment. Anyone who thinks the new record sounds just as bad, or worse, than VT's quality of recording is brain dead and deaf. That's not about opinion either...that's merely about having ears that work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossedSignals Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 QUOTE (EmotionDetector @ Jun 6 2012, 10:31 AM) QUOTE (Gompers @ Jun 6 2012, 01:06 PM) S&A has a great mix, IMO. I don't get anyone else saying it doesn't have a great mix. Maybe they have a bad copy. No kidding. I mean, if people dislike the songs on S&A, that's one thing. But come on, the mix and sound is perfect IMO. True.... I'm not a fan of at least half the songs, but the mix is beautiful. There are some ear-watering textures on S&A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rushman14 Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 QUOTE (CrossedSignals @ Jun 6 2012, 10:52 AM) QUOTE (EmotionDetector @ Jun 6 2012, 10:31 AM) QUOTE (Gompers @ Jun 6 2012, 01:06 PM) S&A has a great mix, IMO. I don't get anyone else saying it doesn't have a great mix. Maybe they have a bad copy. No kidding. I mean, if people dislike the songs on S&A, that's one thing. But come on, the mix and sound is perfect IMO. True.... I'm not a fan of at least half the songs, but the mix is beautiful. There are some ear-watering textures on S&A. Rich Chycki mixed S&A. Nick mixed CA. CA sounds a little more harsh than S&A IMO, but I'm still loving it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowdog2112 Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 I can't wait to get CA on HDTracks, high resolution audio is so much better if you have a good stereo. 96khz/24bit is the way to go and that makes S&A sound much better, I like it more than the 5.1 mix. Soon the whole Sector box sets will be available like that, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Henry Gale Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Rushman14 @ Jun 6 2012, 09:59 AM) QUOTE (CrossedSignals @ Jun 6 2012, 10:52 AM) QUOTE (EmotionDetector @ Jun 6 2012, 10:31 AM) QUOTE (Gompers @ Jun 6 2012, 01:06 PM) S&A has a great mix, IMO. I don't get anyone else saying it doesn't have a great mix. Maybe they have a bad copy. No kidding. I mean, if people dislike the songs on S&A, that's one thing. But come on, the mix and sound is perfect IMO. True.... I'm not a fan of at least half the songs, but the mix is beautiful. There are some ear-watering textures on S&A. Rich Chycki mixed S&A. Nick mixed CA. CA sounds a little more harsh than S&A IMO, but I'm still loving it. I think the production on S&A is good, I don't like the mixing. But I seem to be in the minority. Almost everyone on here thinks S&A sounds incredible. So I can accept defeat, and just admit I'm crazy. On that note, I've always said that what really matters is the content. While I think VT is really poorly recorded/mixed etc, I like the songs on that album more than I do S&A. So it becomes a moot point. Same goes for Clockwork Angels. I agree with those that say CA sounds harsh. But you know what? I like the songs much more than S&A. So again, content wins out. I shouldn't be so harsh on Nick R. He's only worked with them on 2 album's. And I really dig CA. So 1 for 2. Edited June 6, 2012 by Mr. Henry Gale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
They Bow Defeated Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 QUOTE (Presto-digitation @ Jun 6 2012, 12:34 PM)QUOTE (They Bow Defeated @ Jun 6 2012, 12:06 PM) QUOTE (Terrapin @ Jun 5 2012, 09:17 PM)Absolutely dreadful "Producer" Why is he a producer? Who is he? Why are the Rush boys putting their collective faith in this compression happy, grunge loving idiot? Terry Brown anyone? Every "producer" since has been a mistake, hence the continual search. Perhaps Terry is the Watchmaker... Couldn't be any worse. Wow... http://i46.tinypic.com/2wpum1h.jpg It could definitely be worse. It could sound like Vapor Trails. That alone nullifies this comment. Anyone who thinks the new record sounds just as bad, or worse, than VT's quality of recording is brain dead and deaf. That's not about opinion either...that's merely about having ears that work. >>It could definitely be worse. Terrapin, meet Rupert Hine and Paul Northfield. (Peter Collins also dropped the ball somewhat with TFE, but certainly excelled on PoW, HYF, and CP.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReflectedLight Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 i'm not sure if nick r. is responsible but there are 4 good songs i like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marblesmike Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Let's not completely flame the OP. Nick has done a great job with helping the band arrange their songs, which is a main role of a good producer. But I'm not a fan of the mix. Guitars are too layered and loud. The individual instruments aren't crystal clear like they were on say CP or Moving Pictures. The mastering is better than SnA, but a little bass heavy. Not as compressed either (waveforms are not brickwalled). I just think the album sounds muddy and doesn't have a lot of room to breathe. Maybe I'm just used to Steven Wilson spoiling my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rushman14 Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 QUOTE (marblesmike @ Jun 8 2012, 08:21 AM) Let's not completely flame the OP. Nick has done a great job with helping the band arrange their songs, which is a main role of a good producer. But I'm not a fan of the mix. Guitars are too layered and loud. The individual instruments aren't crystal clear like they were on say CP or Moving Pictures. The mastering is better than SnA, but a little bass heavy. Not as compressed either (waveforms are not brickwalled). I just think the album sounds muddy and doesn't have a lot of room to breathe. Maybe I'm just used to Steven Wilson spoiling my ears. I'm usually not a big complainer about this stuff, but I completely agree and it's tarnishing my enjoyment of the album. I love the music which is making it even more heartbreaking for me. The guitars seem a bit loud and harsh, the bass is a little too bottom endy and the vocals are a little too buried in reverb. It's all in your face with no dynamics. I dont know why they decided to let Nick mix the record this time but they should have stuck with Chycki. I thought his mixes on Snakes, and even the original Caravan, were better. That being said, this is still their best album since MP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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