Rush Cocky Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 QUOTE (Storm Shadow @ Jul 14 2011, 08:50 AM) I usually just preview it on Youtube and then buy it if I like it. CDs and vinyl only though, I'm still a physical media person. exactly. My general rule in downloading is this: is the item I am downloading a marketed product? If not, then I have no problem downloading it, as I cannot obtain it otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fledgehog Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 youtube sampling is every bit as illegal as downloading Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancient Ways Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 QUOTE (fledgehog @ Jul 14 2011, 01:27 PM) youtube sampling is every bit as illegal as downloading are you referring to uploading or viewing? Don't see how viewing can be illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oracle Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 QUOTE (Ancient Ways @ Jul 14 2011, 10:30 PM) QUOTE (fledgehog @ Jul 14 2011, 01:27 PM) youtube sampling is every bit as illegal as downloading are you referring to uploading or viewing? Don't see how viewing can be illegal. It's illegal for the person who uploaded the song in question. If you don't have permission, it's illegal. It goes for anything that's copyrighted, from music to television shows and movie scenes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
driventotheedge Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 (edited) Edited July 15, 2011 by driventotheedge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ghostworks Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Akron162 @ Jul 14 2011, 09:38 AM) only fools pay for something they can get for free so post your address so we can come buy and take your stuff it would be foolish to buy our own, right? Edited July 15, 2011 by ghostworks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostworks Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 I'm finding some pretty ignorant attitudes in this thread I bet none of you who illegally download music would like to be laid off without pay for a month just because your boss found an intern who'd do what you do for free Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gompers Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (GrandDesigner @ Jul 13 2011, 09:04 PM) I download a ton of music. Most of it is out of curiosity (aka bands I wouldn't buy cds from otherwise) and occasionally I'll stumble onto a winner and discover a band I really love. Then I'll buy their music. I really only buy music from bands who have 'won me over' so to speak. I admit I DL'd stuff to find out if I like it. But that led to me spending way too much money supporting bands I like because I buy what I like. So, I stopped DLing. Edited July 15, 2011 by Gompers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soni Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 I buy my cd's/vinyls I hate having some music only on my computer. And I believe being a musician is also a job, so who am I to deny them their paycheck. On the other hand I don't mind downloading music from dead artists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ioc Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (ghostworks @ Jul 15 2011, 11:27 AM)I'm finding some pretty ignorant attitudes in this thread I bet none of you who illegally download music would like to be laid off without pay for a month just because your boss found an intern who'd do what you do for free Aaaaaaaah, That's so adorable. You kill me sometimes. Edited July 15, 2011 by ioc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Show Don't Tell Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 QUOTE (GrandDesigner @ Jul 13 2011, 09:04 PM) I download a ton of music. Most of it is out of curiosity (aka bands I wouldn't buy cds from otherwise) and occasionally I'll stumble onto a winner and discover a band I really love. Then I'll buy their music. I really only buy music from bands who have 'won me over' so to speak. Yep, this sums it up for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Not Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 QUOTE (ioc @ Jul 15 2011, 10:17 AM) QUOTE (ghostworks @ Jul 15 2011, 11:27 AM)I'm finding some pretty ignorant attitudes in this thread I bet none of you who illegally download music would like to be laid off without pay for a month just because your boss found an intern who'd do what you do for free Aaaaaaaah, That's so adorable. You kill me sometimes. So are you saying that business isn't effected by internet piracy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ioc Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Kenneth @ Jul 15 2011, 02:10 PM) QUOTE (ioc @ Jul 15 2011, 10:17 AM) QUOTE (ghostworks @ Jul 15 2011, 11:27 AM)I'm finding some pretty ignorant attitudes in this thread I bet none of you who illegally download music would like to be laid off without pay for a month just because your boss found an intern who'd do what you do for free Aaaaaaaah, That's so adorable. You kill me sometimes. So are you saying that business isn't effected by internet piracy? I'm saying that I find contrived righteous indignation and spurious illustrations amusing. Edited July 15, 2011 by ioc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akron162 Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 QUOTE (ghostworks @ Jul 15 2011, 11:24 AM) QUOTE (Akron162 @ Jul 14 2011, 09:38 AM) only fools pay for something they can get for free so post your address so we can come buy and take your stuff it would be foolish to buy our own, right? thats not what i meant, but you got a point, ill give you that. Anyway, im not buying music never again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fledgehog Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 QUOTE (Kenneth @ Jul 15 2011, 03:10 PM) QUOTE (ioc @ Jul 15 2011, 10:17 AM) QUOTE (ghostworks @ Jul 15 2011, 11:27 AM)I'm finding some pretty ignorant attitudes in this thread I bet none of you who illegally download music would like to be laid off without pay for a month just because your boss found an intern who'd do what you do for free Aaaaaaaah, That's so adorable. You kill me sometimes. So are you saying that business isn't effected by internet piracy? no, it's not. the only thing record companies lose is POTENTIAL sales, and most people probably wouldn't have bought the stuff they download anyways. Not to mention, the increase in exposure also leads to a greater number of potential sales. The theft analogy that so many defenders of the record industry use is fundamentally flawed in that when music is downloaded nothing is taken from anyone else. To steal a physical copy of a CD from a record shop is theft of music, but to download a digital copy isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancient Ways Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 QUOTE (fledgehog @ Jul 15 2011, 05:56 PM) QUOTE (Kenneth @ Jul 15 2011, 03:10 PM) QUOTE (ioc @ Jul 15 2011, 10:17 AM) QUOTE (ghostworks @ Jul 15 2011, 11:27 AM)I'm finding some pretty ignorant attitudes in this thread I bet none of you who illegally download music would like to be laid off without pay for a month just because your boss found an intern who'd do what you do for free Aaaaaaaah, That's so adorable. You kill me sometimes. So are you saying that business isn't effected by internet piracy? no, it's not. the only thing record companies lose is POTENTIAL sales, and most people probably wouldn't have bought the stuff they download anyways. Not to mention, the increase in exposure also leads to a greater number of potential sales. The theft analogy that so many defenders of the record industry use is fundamentally flawed in that when music is downloaded nothing is taken from anyone else. To steal a physical copy of a CD from a record shop is theft of music, but to download a digital copy isn't. I guess you're just questioning the concept of intellectual property then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Not Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (fledgehog @ Jul 15 2011, 02:56 PM) QUOTE (Kenneth @ Jul 15 2011, 03:10 PM) QUOTE (ioc @ Jul 15 2011, 10:17 AM) QUOTE (ghostworks @ Jul 15 2011, 11:27 AM)I'm finding some pretty ignorant attitudes in this thread I bet none of you who illegally download music would like to be laid off without pay for a month just because your boss found an intern who'd do what you do for free Aaaaaaaah, That's so adorable. You kill me sometimes. So are you saying that business isn't effected by internet piracy? no, it's not. the only thing record companies lose is POTENTIAL sales, and most people probably wouldn't have bought the stuff they download anyways. Not to mention, the increase in exposure also leads to a greater number of potential sales. I would have bought Yes's newest album Fly From Here, but instead I got the album on the day of the JPN release for free. They lost a potential sale, effecting business. Piracy does raise publicity, but how good will that publicity be when magnitudes pirate? If people buy band gear rather than the albums, then the music industry is effected and sales are being focused elsewhere. QUOTE The theft analogy that so many defenders of the record industry use is fundamentally flawed in that when music is downloaded nothing is taken from anyone else. To steal a physical copy of a CD from a record shop is theft of music, but to download a digital copy isn't. Definitely. Sharing is much better than stealing. Edited July 15, 2011 by Kenneth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Not Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 QUOTE (ioc @ Jul 15 2011, 01:19 PM) QUOTE (Kenneth @ Jul 15 2011, 02:10 PM) QUOTE (ioc @ Jul 15 2011, 10:17 AM) QUOTE (ghostworks @ Jul 15 2011, 11:27 AM)I'm finding some pretty ignorant attitudes in this thread I bet none of you who illegally download music would like to be laid off without pay for a month just because your boss found an intern who'd do what you do for free Aaaaaaaah, That's so adorable. You kill me sometimes. So are you saying that business isn't effected by internet piracy? I'm saying that I find contrived righteous indignation and spurious illustrations amusing. Okay. Cool down on the grammar next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fledgehog Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 QUOTE (Kenneth @ Jul 15 2011, 07:25 PM) If people buy band gear rather than the albums, then the music industry is effected and sales are being focused elsewhere. which is a good thing, because then the bands themselves make all the money from concert tickets and merchandise, while the record labels die the slow horrible death they deserve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaminbenb Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 QUOTE (fledgehog @ Jul 15 2011, 06:34 PM) QUOTE (Kenneth @ Jul 15 2011, 07:25 PM) If people buy band gear rather than the albums, then the music industry is effected and sales are being focused elsewhere. which is a good thing, because then the bands themselves make all the money from concert tickets and merchandise, while the record labels die the slow horrible death they deserve. I honestly wish that more bands would self publish, and distribute! Except for the Zappa family, most bands that DO sell their own recorded products, sell them for MUCH less than the labels, and record stores, and THEY make the money! As the proud owner of over 3000 CD's (officially released silver cd's that is) and the owner of MANY "dogs" that I've listened to ONCE and never listened to again because it didn't live up to either the bands other work, or was just a crappy album that had ONE hit that was worth listening to, I don't feel any regret for downloading something, burning and listening to it, then if I LIKE it purchasing the entire product to add to my "collection". My attitude is that if the recording industry is THAT CONCERNED with the piracy involved, then they should target the people, and systems that are PROVIDING the download! If it's there, I'll download it to check it out. If it's NOT there, I (and 1000's of other people) can't download it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ioc Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 QUOTE (Kenneth @ Jul 15 2011, 06:31 PM) QUOTE (ioc @ Jul 15 2011, 01:19 PM) QUOTE (Kenneth @ Jul 15 2011, 02:10 PM) QUOTE (ioc @ Jul 15 2011, 10:17 AM) QUOTE (ghostworks @ Jul 15 2011, 11:27 AM)I'm finding some pretty ignorant attitudes in this thread I bet none of you who illegally download music would like to be laid off without pay for a month just because your boss found an intern who'd do what you do for free Aaaaaaaah, That's so adorable. You kill me sometimes. So are you saying that business isn't effected by internet piracy? I'm saying that I find contrived righteous indignation and spurious illustrations amusing. Okay. Cool down on the grammar next time. Eh, buddy, that's what happens when you ask me to get more specific about what I'm saying. You bettah know I'm gonna get grammatical on yo @$$! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thizzellewashington Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 I understand the view that it's morally wrong to download music. I also don't have unlimited disposable income, and I'm not exactly going to not listen to something I want to listen to if I can't afford to buy it when it would take me five minutes to find it online. I absolutely hate the CD format and can't remember the last time I bought one, but I buy stuff on vinyl when I can. I go to shows. I buy shirts and stuff. I find ways to support the bands I like financially. A lot of the blame lies with the record companies and how long they waited to start exploring digital music as a legit means of distribution rather than treating everyone who downloaded music like criminals. What Apple is doing with the iCloud ($25/year to treat your personally ripped and downloaded files as if they were purchased digital files) and also things like Spotify could be very interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Not Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 (edited) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j514_JRBjKc&t=1m49s Enjoy Edited July 23, 2011 by Kenneth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordgt99 Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 I don't think there's anything wrong with getting something that's out of print. Take the MFSL versions of Moving Pictures or Signals. If you want to believe the "expert" opinions offered on the main board, these are the "best" cd versions. Sorry but I don't think I should line someone's pocket with an extra few hundred dollars that the band isn't going to get a cent of. Let's just say there's no point in blowing that much on these so called best versions unless you have to have them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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