edhunter Posted January 22 Posted January 22 In: Suzuki, Sabathia, Wagner, and Dick Allen and Dave Parker from the Veterans Committee. I would not have voted for Wagner or Sabathia. Allen should have been in 30 years ago, but racism and his abrasive personality didn’t help. I don’t know why Parker was held up.
The Analog Cub Posted January 22 Posted January 22 One single jackass prevented Ichiro from being unanimous. The writers can be such clowns sometimes. I think Sabathia had a solid case. Getting to 3k strikeouts alone separated him from many, and his inning counts were nothing to sneeze at. With the continuing trends of using more of the bullpen creatively, pitchers continuing to destroy their arms in their early 20s as they chase velocity, I think the days of the Sabathia, Verlander, Kershaw types are ending. 1
1-0-0-1-0-0-1 Posted January 22 Posted January 22 1 hour ago, edhunter said: In: Suzuki, Sabathia, Wagner, and Dick Allen and Dave Parker from the Veterans Committee. I would not have voted for Wagner or Sabathia. Allen should have been in 30 years ago, but racism and his abrasive personality didn’t help. I don’t know why Parker was held up. I wasn't sold on Sabathia either. He was a likeable guy and a solid pitcher who had a very good 19-year career, but for me, I'd want to see 300 wins in those 19 years to deserve a trip to the HOF, and 251 doesn't quite cut it. EDIT, Analog Cub brought up a good point about Sabathia's 3K strikeouts. I had forgotten about that. Still, not sure if 251 wins is enough for me.
1-0-0-1-0-0-1 Posted January 22 Posted January 22 5 minutes ago, The Analog Cub said: One single jackass prevented Ichiro from being unanimous. The writers can be such clowns sometimes. I wish they published the voter tallies for these HOF inductions. I'd really like to see who would vote down a slam dunk like Ichiro, and you wonder if they'd make the same down vote if they weren't anonymous. Maybe they would -- some sportswriters and movie/music critics love being seen as a contrarian because they think it makes them seem smarter than the others. 2
Principled Man Posted January 22 Posted January 22 I have no opinion on Sabathia. Many of my fellow Brewer fans love to call him a “former Brewer”, but I don’t. He pitched great for Milwaukee, but he was just a three-month rental.
The Analog Cub Posted January 22 Posted January 22 1 hour ago, 1-0-0-1-0-0-1 said: I wish they published the voter tallies for these HOF inductions. I'd really like to see who would vote down a slam dunk like Ichiro, and you wonder if they'd make the same down vote if they weren't anonymous. Maybe they would -- some sportswriters and movie/music critics love being seen as a contrarian because they think it makes them seem smarter than the others. "Ruth wasn't unanimous, why should Ichiro be?" - some clown writer's opinion
The Analog Cub Posted January 22 Posted January 22 1 hour ago, 1-0-0-1-0-0-1 said: I wasn't sold on Sabathia either. He was a likeable guy and a solid pitcher who had a very good 19-year career, but for me, I'd want to see 300 wins in those 19 years to deserve a trip to the HOF, and 251 doesn't quite cut it. EDIT, Analog Cub brought up a good point about Sabathia's 3K strikeouts. I had forgotten about that. Still, not sure if 251 wins is enough for me. I would've understood if he didn't get in on the first ballot, but I think his stats and individual hardware were more than enough to get in as a pitcher of his generation. The 00s and early 10s pitchers were absolute workhorses and we're not gonna see too many of them anymore. Sabathia might not be what I'd call the best of that group, but if anything, him getting in 1st ballot means the best of that group should be slam dunk 1st balloters. That means Kershaw, Verlander, Scherzer, and Greinke. 1
invisible airwave Posted January 22 Posted January 22 13 hours ago, The Analog Cub said: One single jackass prevented Ichiro from being unanimous. The writers can be such clowns sometimes. I think Sabathia had a solid case. Getting to 3k strikeouts alone separated him from many, and his inning counts were nothing to sneeze at. With the continuing trends of using more of the bullpen creatively, pitchers continuing to destroy their arms in their early 20s as they chase velocity, I think the days of the Sabathia, Verlander, Kershaw types are ending. I saw someone on BlueSky joke that the ones who didn’t vote for Nolan were Robin Ventura fans. He should have been inducted for my team since that’s where most of his prime and career was. At least they got Vlad Sr..
pjbear05 Posted January 22 Posted January 22 17 hours ago, The Analog Cub said: 17 hours ago, The Analog Cub said: With the continuing trends of using more of the bullpen creatively, pitchers continuing to destroy their arms in their early 20s as they chase velocity, I think the days of the Sabathia, Verlander, Kershaw types are ending. Which is why you will never see another Mickey Lolich. 1968, he pitches 3 World Series complete game wins. Nope, N G F H!
TheAccountant Posted January 22 Posted January 22 Ichiro was a no brainer. Why somebody voted against him involves a no brainer of a different sort (if you catch my drift). Dave Parker should have been in a long time ago. No issue with Wagner or Allen. CC is the questionable one for me. I agree with 1-0-0-1-0-0-1 that 251 wins over 19 years basically does not do it for me. The 3,000 K's does make me consider him but basically I would have been a no on him. Might have voted for some of the guys that did not get in this time instead.
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