Rick N. Backer Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Tull is similar, although you can argue that Aqualung enjoyed somewhat wide appeal. I personally like them, but that's hardly the test for HoF qualification.re: Tull's wide appeal, what about a string of gold (11) and platinum (5) albums )some reaching #1 Billboard status), two #1 singles and 7 other top 10 charting singles, and 60 million albums sold? Or selling out five nights in a row at the 20k seat LA Forum? Tull were huge in the early to mid-70s. Tull is a closer call, no question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Tull is similar, although you can argue that Aqualung enjoyed somewhat wide appeal. I personally like them, but that's hardly the test for HoF qualification.re: Tull's wide appeal, what about a string of gold (11) and platinum (5) albums )some reaching #1 Billboard status), two #1 singles and 7 other top 10 charting singles, and 60 million albums sold? Or selling out five nights in a row at the 20k seat LA Forum? Tull were huge in the early to mid-70s. Tull is a closer call, no question. Ian Anderson's schtick is easy to mock, which likely keeps them out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amps211 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 I like the Stevie Nicks nomination. She deserves it imo Love the Def Leppard nomination too biggest omissions are iron maiden and judas priest imo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bathory Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Tull is similar, although you can argue that Aqualung enjoyed somewhat wide appeal. I personally like them, but that's hardly the test for HoF qualification.re: Tull's wide appeal, what about a string of gold (11) and platinum (5) albums )some reaching #1 Billboard status), two #1 singles and 7 other top 10 charting singles, and 60 million albums sold? Or selling out five nights in a row at the 20k seat LA Forum? Tull were huge in the early to mid-70s. Tull is a closer call, no question. Ian Anderson's schtick is easy to mock, which likely keeps them out. probably has more to do with them being critically reviled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tangy Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Still no Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Thin Lizzy, King Crimson, Jethro Tull, Grand Funk Railroad, T. Rex, Dead Kennedys?Lame and silly. King Crimson, Tull, Grand Funk, Marc Bolan's band and the Kennedys aren't really HoF material. The first 3 should be in, although Lizzy does nothing for me personally. Grand funk is awesome. Super popular and influential . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tangy Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Interesting trivia about grand funk By 1971, Grand Funk equalled the Beatles' Shea Stadium attendance record, but sold out the venue in just 72 hours whereas the Beatles concert took a few weeks to sell out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bathory Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 can't really say mainstream acceptance is #1 for the hall when bands like the ramones are in. and notice how MC5 are nominated this year - clearly some level of influence is factored into that decision. crimson basically invented prog rock - you may not dig the tropes (long songs, little to no pop sensibility, mellotron), but the influence is there, and the influence extends beyond prog rock. ask david bowie compare that to priest and maiden, who are both seen as spinal tap inspirations outside of hard rock/metal circles I think an artist either needs to be extremely influential or popular. Crimson's purported influence on someone like Bowie notwithstanding, I just don't see them being a HoF band, unless HoF is a synonym for "someone who their fans like." I think your disdain for most prog rock is clouding your view of crimson's role in rock music. there are artists I dislike who are in the hall and still deserve to be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segue Myles Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 I would love to see Stevie Nicks voted in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick N. Backer Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 can't really say mainstream acceptance is #1 for the hall when bands like the ramones are in. and notice how MC5 are nominated this year - clearly some level of influence is factored into that decision. crimson basically invented prog rock - you may not dig the tropes (long songs, little to no pop sensibility, mellotron), but the influence is there, and the influence extends beyond prog rock. ask david bowie compare that to priest and maiden, who are both seen as spinal tap inspirations outside of hard rock/metal circles I think an artist either needs to be extremely influential or popular. Crimson's purported influence on someone like Bowie notwithstanding, I just don't see them being a HoF band, unless HoF is a synonym for "someone who their fans like." I think your disdain for most prog rock is clouding your view of crimson's role in rock music. there are artists I dislike who are in the hall and still deserve to be there. Maybe. But I could see someone like ELP (who I don't like) getting in and I could understand the thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bathory Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 can't really say mainstream acceptance is #1 for the hall when bands like the ramones are in. and notice how MC5 are nominated this year - clearly some level of influence is factored into that decision. crimson basically invented prog rock - you may not dig the tropes (long songs, little to no pop sensibility, mellotron), but the influence is there, and the influence extends beyond prog rock. ask david bowie compare that to priest and maiden, who are both seen as spinal tap inspirations outside of hard rock/metal circles I think an artist either needs to be extremely influential or popular. Crimson's purported influence on someone like Bowie notwithstanding, I just don't see them being a HoF band, unless HoF is a synonym for "someone who their fans like." I think your disdain for most prog rock is clouding your view of crimson's role in rock music. there are artists I dislike who are in the hall and still deserve to be there. Maybe. But I could see someone like ELP (who I don't like) getting in and I could understand the thinking. I'd kinda lump them in with grand funk honestly. same period of popularity (70-74) and about the same number of hits. I like both bands but they're basically footnotes in rock history. one of the things that made ELP's billing as a "supergroup" was greg lake's stint as crimson's frontman. granted, for american audiences they wouldn't have been a supergroup at all - crimson, the nice, and atomic rooster really only made waves in england Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tangy Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 (edited) can't really say mainstream acceptance is #1 for the hall when bands like the ramones are in. and notice how MC5 are nominated this year - clearly some level of influence is factored into that decision. crimson basically invented prog rock - you may not dig the tropes (long songs, little to no pop sensibility, mellotron), but the influence is there, and the influence extends beyond prog rock. ask david bowie compare that to priest and maiden, who are both seen as spinal tap inspirations outside of hard rock/metal circles I think an artist either needs to be extremely influential or popular. Crimson's purported influence on someone like Bowie notwithstanding, I just don't see them being a HoF band, unless HoF is a synonym for "someone who their fans like." I think your disdain for most prog rock is clouding your view of crimson's role in rock music. there are artists I dislike who are in the hall and still deserve to be there. Maybe. But I could see someone like ELP (who I don't like) getting in and I could understand the thinking. I'd kinda lump them in with grand funk honestly. same period of popularity (70-74) and about the same number of hits. I like both bands but they're basically footnotes in rock history. one of the things that made ELP's billing as a "supergroup" was greg lake's stint as crimson's frontman. granted, for american audiences they wouldn't have been a supergroup at all - crimson, the nice, and atomic rooster really only made waves in england I highly doudt elp has the same # of hits as grand funk I watched a documentary about gfr and it was killer. They had footage of fans rioting when led zep pulled the plug on their opening set out of fear of being overshadowed by gfr. Very cool I really dig elp especially Emerson. No one plays as intensely imo I think the knock on king crimson is the constantly changing members From the gfr website Over their career, Grand Funk has had 19 charted singles, 8 Top 40 hits and two Number One singles (We're An American Band and Locomotion, both selling more than one million each). The group has now accumulated 13 gold and 10 platinum records with record sales in excess of 25 million copies sold worldwide Edited October 11, 2018 by tangy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas King Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Grand Funk and T. Rexstasy are pretty close to one hit wonders. If we're talking about 70's glam rock, T. Rex(Bolan) is the second most important act after Bowie. Although they are a one-hit wonder band in the US(in Europe and Britain they have a few hits), they had a big significance on the 70's music scene. And they were critically acclaimed and pretty influential: http://www.allmusic.com/artist/t-rex-mn0000005882/related (see 'Followed by' section). For example, (Iggy Pop &)The Stooges has been far from US 'top 10 album' charts and Platinum-certified albums, but they are a very impactful band. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bathory Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 can't really say mainstream acceptance is #1 for the hall when bands like the ramones are in. and notice how MC5 are nominated this year - clearly some level of influence is factored into that decision. crimson basically invented prog rock - you may not dig the tropes (long songs, little to no pop sensibility, mellotron), but the influence is there, and the influence extends beyond prog rock. ask david bowie compare that to priest and maiden, who are both seen as spinal tap inspirations outside of hard rock/metal circles I think an artist either needs to be extremely influential or popular. Crimson's purported influence on someone like Bowie notwithstanding, I just don't see them being a HoF band, unless HoF is a synonym for "someone who their fans like." I think your disdain for most prog rock is clouding your view of crimson's role in rock music. there are artists I dislike who are in the hall and still deserve to be there. Maybe. But I could see someone like ELP (who I don't like) getting in and I could understand the thinking. I'd kinda lump them in with grand funk honestly. same period of popularity (70-74) and about the same number of hits. I like both bands but they're basically footnotes in rock history. one of the things that made ELP's billing as a "supergroup" was greg lake's stint as crimson's frontman. granted, for american audiences they wouldn't have been a supergroup at all - crimson, the nice, and atomic rooster really only made waves in england I highly doudt elp has the same # of hits as grand funk I watched a documentary about gfr and it was killer. They had footage of fans rioting when led zep pulled the plug on their opening set out of fear of being overshadowed by gfr. Very cool I really dig elp especially Emerson. No one plays as intensely imo I think the knock on king crimson is the constantly changing members From the gfr website Over their career, Grand Funk has had 19 charted singles, 8 Top 40 hits and two Number One singles (We're An American Band and Locomotion, both selling more than one million each). The group has now accumulated 13 gold and 10 platinum records with record sales in excess of 25 million copies sold worldwide I'm just basing that on what I've heard on the radio. ELP has lucky man, from the beginning, still you turn me on, and 4 minutes of karn evil 9. grand funk has locomotion, american band, im your captain, some kind of wonderful. obviously that's totally anecdotal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tangy Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 (edited) can't really say mainstream acceptance is #1 for the hall when bands like the ramones are in. and notice how MC5 are nominated this year - clearly some level of influence is factored into that decision. crimson basically invented prog rock - you may not dig the tropes (long songs, little to no pop sensibility, mellotron), but the influence is there, and the influence extends beyond prog rock. ask david bowie compare that to priest and maiden, who are both seen as spinal tap inspirations outside of hard rock/metal circles I think an artist either needs to be extremely influential or popular. Crimson's purported influence on someone like Bowie notwithstanding, I just don't see them being a HoF band, unless HoF is a synonym for "someone who their fans like." I think your disdain for most prog rock is clouding your view of crimson's role in rock music. there are artists I dislike who are in the hall and still deserve to be there. Maybe. But I could see someone like ELP (who I don't like) getting in and I could understand the thinking. I'd kinda lump them in with grand funk honestly. same period of popularity (70-74) and about the same number of hits. I like both bands but they're basically footnotes in rock history. one of the things that made ELP's billing as a "supergroup" was greg lake's stint as crimson's frontman. granted, for american audiences they wouldn't have been a supergroup at all - crimson, the nice, and atomic rooster really only made waves in england I highly doudt elp has the same # of hits as grand funk I watched a documentary about gfr and it was killer. They had footage of fans rioting when led zep pulled the plug on their opening set out of fear of being overshadowed by gfr. Very cool I really dig elp especially Emerson. No one plays as intensely imo I think the knock on king crimson is the constantly changing members From the gfr website Over their career, Grand Funk has had 19 charted singles, 8 Top 40 hits and two Number One singles (We're An American Band and Locomotion, both selling more than one million each). The group has now accumulated 13 gold and 10 platinum records with record sales in excess of 25 million copies sold worldwide I'm just basing that on what I've heard on the radio. ELP has lucky man, from the beginning, still you turn me on, and 4 minutes of karn evil 9. grand funk has locomotion, american band, im your captain, some kind of wonderful. obviously that's totally anecdotal https://www.billboard.com/music/emerson-lake-palmer So elp has 1 top 40 hit. No #1 hits I know elp was huge and sold well.live material. Edit I guess a hit is a hit but what if the hit was a cover and not an original composition? Pretty sure locomotion is a cover and would not be surprised if more of their hits were covers Edited October 11, 2018 by tangy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bathory Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Grand Funk and T. Rexstasy are pretty close to one hit wonders. If we're talking about 70's glam rock, T. Rex(Bolan) is the second most important act after Bowie. Although they are a one-hit wonder band in the US(in Europe and Britain they have a few hits), they had a big significance on the 70's music scene. And they were critically acclaimed and pretty influential: http://www.allmusic....0005882/related (see 'Followed by' section). For example, (Iggy Pop &)The Stooges has been far from US 'top 10 album' charts and Platinum-certified albums, but they are a very impactful band. are the stooges even in yet? probably not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bathory Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 can't really say mainstream acceptance is #1 for the hall when bands like the ramones are in. and notice how MC5 are nominated this year - clearly some level of influence is factored into that decision. crimson basically invented prog rock - you may not dig the tropes (long songs, little to no pop sensibility, mellotron), but the influence is there, and the influence extends beyond prog rock. ask david bowie compare that to priest and maiden, who are both seen as spinal tap inspirations outside of hard rock/metal circles I think an artist either needs to be extremely influential or popular. Crimson's purported influence on someone like Bowie notwithstanding, I just don't see them being a HoF band, unless HoF is a synonym for "someone who their fans like." I think your disdain for most prog rock is clouding your view of crimson's role in rock music. there are artists I dislike who are in the hall and still deserve to be there. Maybe. But I could see someone like ELP (who I don't like) getting in and I could understand the thinking. I'd kinda lump them in with grand funk honestly. same period of popularity (70-74) and about the same number of hits. I like both bands but they're basically footnotes in rock history. one of the things that made ELP's billing as a "supergroup" was greg lake's stint as crimson's frontman. granted, for american audiences they wouldn't have been a supergroup at all - crimson, the nice, and atomic rooster really only made waves in england I highly doudt elp has the same # of hits as grand funk I watched a documentary about gfr and it was killer. They had footage of fans rioting when led zep pulled the plug on their opening set out of fear of being overshadowed by gfr. Very cool I really dig elp especially Emerson. No one plays as intensely imo I think the knock on king crimson is the constantly changing members From the gfr website Over their career, Grand Funk has had 19 charted singles, 8 Top 40 hits and two Number One singles (We're An American Band and Locomotion, both selling more than one million each). The group has now accumulated 13 gold and 10 platinum records with record sales in excess of 25 million copies sold worldwide I'm just basing that on what I've heard on the radio. ELP has lucky man, from the beginning, still you turn me on, and 4 minutes of karn evil 9. grand funk has locomotion, american band, im your captain, some kind of wonderful. obviously that's totally anecdotal https://www.billboar...son-lake-palmer So elp has 1 top 40 hit. No #1 hits I know elp was huge and sold well.live material. Edit I guess a hit is a hit but what if the hit was a cover and not an original composition? Pretty sure locomotion is a cover and would not be surprised if more of their hits were covers f**k it, put em in the hall. theyre both better than journey and bon jovi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tangy Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Grand Funk and T. Rexstasy are pretty close to one hit wonders. If we're talking about 70's glam rock, T. Rex(Bolan) is the second most important act after Bowie. Although they are a one-hit wonder band in the US(in Europe and Britain they have a few hits), they had a big significance on the 70's music scene. And they were critically acclaimed and pretty influential: http://www.allmusic....0005882/related (see 'Followed by' section). For example, (Iggy Pop &)The Stooges has been far from US 'top 10 album' charts and Platinum-certified albums, but they are a very impactful band. are the stooges even in yet? probably not From my perspective sweet aka the sweet are every bit as influential as t rex. I think the sweet influenced bowie,queen, def leppard to name a few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick N. Backer Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Grand Funk and T. Rexstasy are pretty close to one hit wonders. If we're talking about 70's glam rock, T. Rex(Bolan) is the second most important act after Bowie. Although they are a one-hit wonder band in the US(in Europe and Britain they have a few hits), they had a big significance on the 70's music scene. And they were critically acclaimed and pretty influential: http://www.allmusic....0005882/related (see 'Followed by' section). For example, (Iggy Pop &)The Stooges has been far from US 'top 10 album' charts and Platinum-certified albums, but they are a very impactful band. Don't get me wrong. I own and love Electric Warrior. But I don't think the fact that Def Leppard says in an interview that they grew up listening to T. Rex means that T. Rex is itself a HoF band. JMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bathory Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 I need a f***ing job 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas King Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 (edited) Grand Funk and T. Rexstasy are pretty close to one hit wonders. If we're talking about 70's glam rock, T. Rex(Bolan) is the second most important act after Bowie. Although they are a one-hit wonder band in the US(in Europe and Britain they have a few hits), they had a big significance on the 70's music scene. And they were critically acclaimed and pretty influential: http://www.allmusic....0005882/related (see 'Followed by' section). For example, (Iggy Pop &)The Stooges has been far from US 'top 10 album' charts and Platinum-certified albums, but they are a very impactful band. are the stooges even in yet? probably not Fortunately, they are inducted in 2010. Edited October 11, 2018 by Texas King 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick N. Backer Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 I need a f***ing job How many words a minute can you type? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bathory Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 I need a f***ing job How many words a minute can you type? a shitload Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick N. Backer Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 I need a f***ing job How many words a minute can you type? a shitload I'm afraid I can't have someone who uses language like that working in my office. We have standards to maintain, after all. ;) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Tull is similar, although you can argue that Aqualung enjoyed somewhat wide appeal. I personally like them, but that's hardly the test for HoF qualification.re: Tull's wide appeal, what about a string of gold (11) and platinum (5) albums )some reaching #1 Billboard status), two #1 singles and 7 other top 10 charting singles, and 60 million albums sold? Or selling out five nights in a row at the 20k seat LA Forum? Tull were huge in the early to mid-70s. Tull is a closer call, no question. Ian Anderson's schtick is easy to mock, which likely keeps them out. probably has more to do with them being critically reviledVery much like RUSH. It was RUSH's pestering fans that got them in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bathory Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 I need a f***ing job How many words a minute can you type? a shitload I'm afraid I can't have someone who uses language like that working in my office. We have standards to maintain, after all. ;) I'd probably have to cut my hair anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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