78jazz

First, thanks for sharing your posts over here. I liked the reading. Second, I wonder if it would be worth a drive to see the show. I also wonder if tickets will sell out. Is there a Dixie Chili nearby that venue? I *thought* so, but I am unsure. Edit: Just checked, and Newport would probably be the only option available at the time the concert would let out. 2 coneys and a 6-way for me (and maybe some cans for the ride home).

It's hard to vote when the best Southern Rock band (Atlanta Rhythm Section) isn't even listed .

I just finished the documentary, but missed the first quarter of it. May I have a synopsis of what I missed? I am curious/somewhat surprised that Entwistle's thoughts weren't mentioned, but I realize that the survivors may not be trying to speak for him or put words in his mouth. Also, I would be interested in reading your Facebook post. Any way I can? I can also contact you privately for that information as well. I think if I did concerts at that level, I may have some similar feelings to Townsend in that I would be unhappy about finding out about it after the fact.

The primary cause of the deaths was incompetence and inaction on the part of the Coliseum staff, security and police. There were many doors all around the Coliseum. Only TWO were opened to admit the fans. I personally saw a police officer with arms folded, refusing to do anything, while a guy with a bloody face pleaded with him to do something. I was lucky enough to be against the wall of the Coliseum when the crush started. I could brace myself against the wall and keep myself from being pushed down. The victims were in the middle of the crowd, so they had no way to stay upright. They got pushed down and suffocated. In the countless previous concerts in the Cincinnati area, there had been nothing like this. Festival seating was not a serious problem. In the summer of '78, the concert with The Eagles and Steve Miller, at Riverfront Stadium, went off with very few problems. The venue was even praised for its excellent work with a crowd of 50,000 fans. This concert, however, was an EVENT. It was the band's first tour since Keith Moon died. Even in December, people were at the Coliseum many hours before showtime. The crowd got bigger and bigger and bigger. A sold out crowd of 18,000 fans eventually saw the show. Numerous people tried to blame the festival seating arrangements as well as the crowd for being "under the influence". Many lawsuits were filed against the city, the Coliseum, the promoter, and even The Who (which was ridiculous). The Who was running a bit late, and as a consequence, their sound check was done late. People outside heard the music and assumed that the Show had started, so they got rather agitated. The band knew nothing about the trouble, and that was a good thing. If they had been told that people were dead, they would have probably cancelled the Show, and that may have caused even more trouble. IIRC from my own reading, I believe they were late coming in from the Pittsburgh the night before.

Edhunter, I am listening to that Springfield show and it sounds like it was an excellent performance!

Nova, I bet leaving that venue was fun!

Having security come up to me in 2007 in St. Paul during Entre Nous to offer me FAR better seats (4th row on stage left side). I was close enough to hear the drums before they hit the PA. There is NO recording from that tour that does the sound of those drums justice. NONE. The only bummer here is that I had to hear Mission while walking down the stairs. Initially, I was upset about this. Once I landed in my new seat though...

Weird this pops up, since I just saw DT this past Monday (I had plans to tape, but couldn't get my batteries past the metal detector. That was the first time that happened). I DO feel like Mangini maybe doesn't quite have the onstage energy with his body, but as a player he is no slouch. Edited because I can't seem to comprehend. In rereading, I am with bluefox on this.

If I don't get it for Christmas, I will buy it anyway.

Yes, you absolutely can have recency bias. Even if he hadn't just died, he is an excellent choice.

For the time, it wasn't a bad book. I will probably always have my copy.

I have this on my Christmas wishlist. I hope I get it!

Alright, so on 78jazz's recommendation, I watched Beware of Mr. Baker. I have some thoughts. 1. Wow, what an a**hole. 2. Wow, what a varied career this guy has had. 3. It's almost amazing how many people he treated terribly who have nice things to say about his talent, ambition, and range. 4. I think I got lung cancer just from watching him chain smoke. 5. His second wife was the sister of his daughter's boyfriend! 6. I would recommend this documentary; it was quite good, even if the narrator was bit of a drip (he earned his access, though, that's for sure). 7. Godspeed, Ginger. Definitely #7. I think his character is less than ideal, but as a drummer he was/is one of the most important in the history of rock music. Also, +1 to Lorraine.

Nova, I would give Beware of Mr. Baker a watch. Neil is in it!

SUCKS.

Maybe your system needs to go to 12 for them to appreciate Xanadu? Or maybe Cygnus X-1? (I only had half days in my final semester of high school, and when I would come home I would listen to AFtK every day. That is why I make the above suggestions.)

I am debating going to see Tool in October (about a 250-mile drive one way), but I am more interested in the opening act. If I go, I will certainly tape them. I may tape Tool. Maybe. It will really depend on that setlist (AKA if there are songs from previous albums I would like to see and are there enough of them to interest me).

Floyd and Tool are fairly far apart on most material. Pure chops, Tool wins easily. But Floyd, as you say, has some tasty sections that often get overlooked by Gilmour's guitar work. Most of the chops thing is Danny Carey. IMO Mason served the music better and was not a slouch on the drums. I would argue Floyd as a whole band had better chops. Plus, the sound of Chancellor's bass has a LOT to do with their success.

They do?......i keep wondering when tool's gonna play a song, lol. Mick This. All the way. Also, post 63 is entertaining.

Fixed. Their last balanced album was Aenima. Lateralus is when this stuff started. I was hoping for a more streamlined album this time, but no. I couldn't even make it through the title track. What they tried to build up to did nothing for me. I think they have 8-11 songs in their entire catalog I like. I'l grant you that PF had the melodies. And the guitar. But they have the world's most boring bass and drums. If they tried to play Tool, their vaginas would crack. I respectfully disagree. The rhythm section was very supportive to the music and was interesting to listen to. I also disagree with the Maynard/Morrison comparison. Morrison's talents are schools ahead of Maynard.

Nova, yes. I DO think key changes would have helped that. Alas...

I'm not convinced Geddy's voice was shot; I think his timbre started to become squirrelly. His pitches didn't seem off too often. I think in his case, it is father time.

Fixed. Their last balanced album was Aenima. Lateralus is when this stuff started. I was hoping for a more streamlined album this time, but no. I couldn't even make it through the title track. What they tried to build up to did nothing for me. I think they have 8-11 songs in their entire catalog I like.

You could just not watch college basketball. Problem solved.

Nova, you can like both! I prefer the Ric and the Jazz. I found the red Wal to be the least appealing. Also, the Precision on Roll the Bones on the R40 tour should be mentioned.