goose Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Being a sellout is easy to define. If a band's debut doesn't blow up, but they do develop a following, the album they release that achieves the most mainstream success is when they've sold out. Back in Black, Moving Pictures, Eliminator, 90125 and the black album are all examples of selling out. It doesn't matter if the songs on a sell out album happen to be so good that it's easily understandable why people who aren't hardcore fans like them. What matters is that people who don't know what type of strings the guitarist used on the debut album like them. They aren't real fans. Real fans know that, without fail, a band's more obscure material is its best. The best music depends on the listener. Not a strict set of rules.I agree. Sometimes the most popular songs can still be the best. Look at a song like Subdivisions, it's considered one of Rush's best by most of the fans. It is. But outside of Rush fans, not many people know it. The type of scorn I'm talking about would be reserved for Tom Sawyer. Real fans don't listen to that. Or Owner of a Lonely Heart. Or Sharp Dressed Man. Or Enter Sandman. Those might as well have been written for Selena Gomez. That explains then why I love the song even to this day. I'm not a RealRushFan. Just today I was listening to Moving Pictures. It is an incredible album, and I was thinking how much I love Tom Sawyer and Limelight even though both may have been played to death. Me and you must actually hate Rush based on this assessment! I never tire of any of the bands classics. But then again, I don't think I have ever felt over-exposed to any of their work like some fans for years might have, such as thirty odd years of constant Tom Sawyer live. But Tom Sawyer is a really great representative song for the Rush sound, more so than, say, Owner Of A Lonely Heart is for Yes.90125 is genius.Its a good pop album.It's a popular good album. There is a difference. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segue Myles Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Being a sellout is easy to define. If a band's debut doesn't blow up, but they do develop a following, the album they release that achieves the most mainstream success is when they've sold out. Back in Black, Moving Pictures, Eliminator, 90125 and the black album are all examples of selling out. It doesn't matter if the songs on a sell out album happen to be so good that it's easily understandable why people who aren't hardcore fans like them. What matters is that people who don't know what type of strings the guitarist used on the debut album like them. They aren't real fans. Real fans know that, without fail, a band's more obscure material is its best. The best music depends on the listener. Not a strict set of rules.I agree. Sometimes the most popular songs can still be the best. Look at a song like Subdivisions, it's considered one of Rush's best by most of the fans. It is. But outside of Rush fans, not many people know it. The type of scorn I'm talking about would be reserved for Tom Sawyer. Real fans don't listen to that. Or Owner of a Lonely Heart. Or Sharp Dressed Man. Or Enter Sandman. Those might as well have been written for Selena Gomez. That explains then why I love the song even to this day. I'm not a RealRushFan. Just today I was listening to Moving Pictures. It is an incredible album, and I was thinking how much I love Tom Sawyer and Limelight even though both may have been played to death. Me and you must actually hate Rush based on this assessment! I never tire of any of the bands classics. But then again, I don't think I have ever felt over-exposed to any of their work like some fans for years might have, such as thirty odd years of constant Tom Sawyer live. But Tom Sawyer is a really great representative song for the Rush sound, more so than, say, Owner Of A Lonely Heart is for Yes.90125 is genius.Its a good pop album.It's a popular good album. There is a difference. It was popular. It's hardly aged as well as Thriller in the eyes of public conciousness. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluefox4000 Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Owner of a lonely heart was pretty damn popular, lol Who was yes to the mainstream public before that, lol Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick N. Backer Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Someone who thinks Tom Sawyer is not one of the bands best songs, or a "real fan favourite" but then starts talking about 90215 as the best Yes album is a total idiot. Did you really hit post? It's sarcasm, moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick N. Backer Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Being a sellout is easy to define. If a band's debut doesn't blow up, but they do develop a following, the album they release that achieves the most mainstream success is when they've sold out. Back in Black, Moving Pictures, Eliminator, 90125 and the black album are all examples of selling out. It doesn't matter if the songs on a sell out album happen to be so good that it's easily understandable why people who aren't hardcore fans like them. What matters is that people who don't know what type of strings the guitarist used on the debut album like them. They aren't real fans. Real fans know that, without fail, a band's more obscure material is its best. The best music depends on the listener. Not a strict set of rules.I agree. Sometimes the most popular songs can still be the best. Look at a song like Subdivisions, it's considered one of Rush's best by most of the fans. It is. But outside of Rush fans, not many people know it. The type of scorn I'm talking about would be reserved for Tom Sawyer. Real fans don't listen to that. Or Owner of a Lonely Heart. Or Sharp Dressed Man. Or Enter Sandman. Those might as well have been written for Selena Gomez. That explains then why I love the song even to this day. I'm not a RealRushFan. Just today I was listening to Moving Pictures. It is an incredible album, and I was thinking how much I love Tom Sawyer and Limelight even though both may have been played to death. Lorraine, you don't get it. You see, real fans know that the band's apex was Caress of Steel. Moving Pictures is for posers. ;) Guys, it's a joke. :o Oh,so now I'm a poser too??? Of all the nerve...... Your point earlier about why we shouldn't open SOCN? Spot on. I was serious about loving tom sawyer, but not the rest. I thought you would have known that. I know. :) Who doesn't love Tom Sawyer? ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick N. Backer Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Being a sellout is easy to define. If a band's debut doesn't blow up, but they do develop a following, the album they release that achieves the most mainstream success is when they've sold out. Back in Black, Moving Pictures, Eliminator, 90125 and the black album are all examples of selling out. It doesn't matter if the songs on a sell out album happen to be so good that it's easily understandable why people who aren't hardcore fans like them. What matters is that people who don't know what type of strings the guitarist used on the debut album like them. They aren't real fans. Real fans know that, without fail, a band's more obscure material is its best. The best music depends on the listener. Not a strict set of rules.I agree. Sometimes the most popular songs can still be the best. Look at a song like Subdivisions, it's considered one of Rush's best by most of the fans. It is. But outside of Rush fans, not many people know it. The type of scorn I'm talking about would be reserved for Tom Sawyer. Real fans don't listen to that. Or Owner of a Lonely Heart. Or Sharp Dressed Man. Or Enter Sandman. Those might as well have been written for Selena Gomez. That explains then why I love the song even to this day. I'm not a RealRushFan. Just today I was listening to Moving Pictures. It is an incredible album, and I was thinking how much I love Tom Sawyer and Limelight even though both may have been played to death. Me and you must actually hate Rush based on this assessment! I never tire of any of the bands classics. But then again, I don't think I have ever felt over-exposed to any of their work like some fans for years might have, such as thirty odd years of constant Tom Sawyer live. But Tom Sawyer is a really great representative song for the Rush sound, more so than, say, Owner Of A Lonely Heart is for Yes.90125 is genius.Its a good pop album. And you unwittingly make my point. A Yes album is "pop?" And you're suggesting there's some connection to the best selling pop album of all time? Use the "More Reply Options" and read your thoughts to yourself before you post this idiocy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Being a sellout is easy to define. If a band's debut doesn't blow up, but they do develop a following, the album they release that achieves the most mainstream success is when they've sold out. Back in Black, Moving Pictures, Eliminator, 90125 and the black album are all examples of selling out. It doesn't matter if the songs on a sell out album happen to be so good that it's easily understandable why people who aren't hardcore fans like them. What matters is that people who don't know what type of strings the guitarist used on the debut album like them. They aren't real fans. Real fans know that, without fail, a band's more obscure material is its best. The best music depends on the listener. Not a strict set of rules.I agree. Sometimes the most popular songs can still be the best. Look at a song like Subdivisions, it's considered one of Rush's best by most of the fans. It is. But outside of Rush fans, not many people know it. The type of scorn I'm talking about would be reserved for Tom Sawyer. Real fans don't listen to that. Or Owner of a Lonely Heart. Or Sharp Dressed Man. Or Enter Sandman. Those might as well have been written for Selena Gomez. That explains then why I love the song even to this day. I'm not a RealRushFan. Just today I was listening to Moving Pictures. It is an incredible album, and I was thinking how much I love Tom Sawyer and Limelight even though both may have been played to death. Me and you must actually hate Rush based on this assessment! I never tire of any of the bands classics. But then again, I don't think I have ever felt over-exposed to any of their work like some fans for years might have, such as thirty odd years of constant Tom Sawyer live. But Tom Sawyer is a really great representative song for the Rush sound, more so than, say, Owner Of A Lonely Heart is for Yes.90125 is genius.Its a good pop album.It's a popular good album. There is a difference. It was popular. It's hardly aged as well as Thriller in the eyes of public conciousness.Exactly true in terms of popularity. i happen to think it's aged extremely well...better than the 70's prog wankery stuff (which I enjoy, btw) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Principled Man Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Who doesn't love Tom Sawyer? ;) Injun Joe sure didn't! :7up: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segue Myles Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Someone who thinks Tom Sawyer is not one of the bands best songs, or a "real fan favourite" but then starts talking about 90215 as the best Yes album is a total idiot. Did you really hit post? It's sarcasm, moron. Lolsies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segue Myles Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Being a sellout is easy to define. If a band's debut doesn't blow up, but they do develop a following, the album they release that achieves the most mainstream success is when they've sold out. Back in Black, Moving Pictures, Eliminator, 90125 and the black album are all examples of selling out. It doesn't matter if the songs on a sell out album happen to be so good that it's easily understandable why people who aren't hardcore fans like them. What matters is that people who don't know what type of strings the guitarist used on the debut album like them. They aren't real fans. Real fans know that, without fail, a band's more obscure material is its best. The best music depends on the listener. Not a strict set of rules.I agree. Sometimes the most popular songs can still be the best. Look at a song like Subdivisions, it's considered one of Rush's best by most of the fans. It is. But outside of Rush fans, not many people know it. The type of scorn I'm talking about would be reserved for Tom Sawyer. Real fans don't listen to that. Or Owner of a Lonely Heart. Or Sharp Dressed Man. Or Enter Sandman. Those might as well have been written for Selena Gomez. That explains then why I love the song even to this day. I'm not a RealRushFan. Just today I was listening to Moving Pictures. It is an incredible album, and I was thinking how much I love Tom Sawyer and Limelight even though both may have been played to death. Me and you must actually hate Rush based on this assessment! I never tire of any of the bands classics. But then again, I don't think I have ever felt over-exposed to any of their work like some fans for years might have, such as thirty odd years of constant Tom Sawyer live. But Tom Sawyer is a really great representative song for the Rush sound, more so than, say, Owner Of A Lonely Heart is for Yes.90125 is genius.Its a good pop album. And you unwittingly make my point. A Yes album is "pop?" And you're suggesting there's some connection to the best selling pop album of all time? Use the "More Reply Options" and read your thoughts to yourself before you post this idiocy. It is a pop album. It is more pop than any Toto album or Foreigner album and was almost never released as a Yes album. So yeah...it's pop and arguably not even a Yes album. Yes had numerous top ten albums prior to this one, it's not like this out them on the map. It just highlighted their location with baubles and glitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segue Myles Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Rick N Backer I apologise for not recognising your sense of humour. It went straight over my head so call me a douche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick N. Backer Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Rick N Backer I apologise for not recognising your sense of humour. It went straight over my head so call me a douche. No need to apologize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 All explained here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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