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#21 Snaked

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Posted 16 July 2015 - 11:35 AM

I can tell you with no degree of uncertainty that the numbers you see in the boxscore DO NOT include merchandise.

Merch is a completely separate entity and is handled by Showtech (RSBC people).

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Posted 16 July 2015 - 11:36 AM

Comparing 2010 and 2015 average gross you can easily notice that in five years it has raised a little.....

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Posted 16 July 2015 - 12:18 PM

View PostSnaked, on 15 July 2015 - 09:10 PM, said:

View PostLorraine, on 15 July 2015 - 07:34 PM, said:

I bet a show like Tulsa barely saw any profit for them.

The band hasn't been reliant on ticket sales for decades.
They get a guarantee from the promoter.

Maybe you, or someone else here in the know, can explain that one to me.

I honestly have no idea of how any of this works.  But one thing I have come to learn being here on TRF is that what I thought was a simple form of entertainment is actually quite a business and no different in many ways from how major corporations are run.

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Posted 16 July 2015 - 12:20 PM

View Postgeezer, on 16 July 2015 - 11:36 AM, said:

Comparing 2010 and 2015 average gross you can easily notice that in five years it has raised a little.....

A non-farewell farewell tour with inflated ticket prices will do that.

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Posted 16 July 2015 - 12:20 PM

View PostSnaked, on 16 July 2015 - 11:35 AM, said:

I can tell you with no degree of uncertainty that the numbers you see in the boxscore DO NOT include merchandise.

Merch is a completely separate entity and is handled by Showtech (RSBC people).

How can we get them to offer the Arf40 t-shirts for sale?  I don't think there is one person on this forum who wouldn't buy one.  In Zumbi's case, he would probably buy a dozen.

Edited by Lorraine, 16 July 2015 - 12:21 PM.


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Posted 16 July 2015 - 12:21 PM

View PostLorraine, on 16 July 2015 - 12:18 PM, said:

View PostSnaked, on 15 July 2015 - 09:10 PM, said:

View PostLorraine, on 15 July 2015 - 07:34 PM, said:

I bet a show like Tulsa barely saw any profit for them.

The band hasn't been reliant on ticket sales for decades.
They get a guarantee from the promoter.

Maybe you, or someone else here in the know, can explain that one to me.

I honestly have no idea of how any of this works.  But one thing I have come to learn being here on TRF is that what I thought was a simple form of entertainment is actually quite a business and no different in many ways from how major corporations are run.

Exactly, and payroll people tell me it also gets complicated with taxation issues (state, country, etc) and other things you wouldn't even think of.

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Posted 16 July 2015 - 05:48 PM

View PostLorraine, on 16 July 2015 - 12:18 PM, said:

View PostSnaked, on 15 July 2015 - 09:10 PM, said:

View PostLorraine, on 15 July 2015 - 07:34 PM, said:

I bet a show like Tulsa barely saw any profit for them.

The band hasn't been reliant on ticket sales for decades.
They get a guarantee from the promoter.

Maybe you, or someone else here in the know, can explain that one to me.

I honestly have no idea of how any of this works.  But one thing I have come to learn being here on TRF is that what I thought was a simple form of entertainment is actually quite a business and no different in many ways from how major corporations are run.

In today's touring world for a major act like Rush, it's actually fairly simple and the band is removed fairly early on:

1) Promoter (Live Nation) agrees on a price to pay to Rush (the organization) for an agreed upon number of shows.

2) Rush uses that money to pay salaries, production, trucks, fuel, per diem, travel, etc.

3) Promoter rents venues and pays for advertising, etc.

4) Promoter sets ticket prices and keeps the ticket sales.

It gets complicated if Rush gets a cut of ticket sales on top of the guarantee or has another arrangement of sorts, but that's the gist.

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Posted 16 July 2015 - 05:51 PM

View PostLorraine, on 16 July 2015 - 12:20 PM, said:

View PostSnaked, on 16 July 2015 - 11:35 AM, said:

I can tell you with no degree of uncertainty that the numbers you see in the boxscore DO NOT include merchandise.

Merch is a completely separate entity and is handled by Showtech (RSBC people).

How can we get them to offer the Arf40 t-shirts for sale?  I don't think there is one person on this forum who wouldn't buy one.  In Zumbi's case, he would probably buy a dozen.


Email the RBSC folks and ask them to make them available for sale

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Posted 16 July 2015 - 05:56 PM

View Postsouthpaw2k5, on 16 July 2015 - 05:48 PM, said:

View PostLorraine, on 16 July 2015 - 12:18 PM, said:

View PostSnaked, on 15 July 2015 - 09:10 PM, said:

View PostLorraine, on 15 July 2015 - 07:34 PM, said:

I bet a show like Tulsa barely saw any profit for them.

The band hasn't been reliant on ticket sales for decades.
They get a guarantee from the promoter.

Maybe you, or someone else here in the know, can explain that one to me.

I honestly have no idea of how any of this works.  But one thing I have come to learn being here on TRF is that what I thought was a simple form of entertainment is actually quite a business and no different in many ways from how major corporations are run.

In today's touring world for a major act like Rush, it's actually fairly simple and the band is removed fairly early on:

1) Promoter (Live Nation) agrees on a price to pay to Rush (the organization) for an agreed upon number of shows.

2) Rush uses that money to pay salaries, production, trucks, fuel, per diem, travel, etc.

3) Promoter rents venues and pays for advertising, etc.

4) Promoter sets ticket prices and keeps the ticket sales.

It gets complicated if Rush gets a cut of ticket sales on top of the guarantee or has another arrangement of sorts, but that's the gist.

And here all these decades i thought that whatever they made wherever they played went to a band.  I had no idea there was a  middle man.

There's a man out here my husband once met who lives in Sand Point, Idaho.  He told my husband he had been a promoter in the NYC area and handled all the big names.    My husband met him probably fifteen or more years ago.  At that time, the word "promoter" only meant to me someone like a booking agent - his only job was to get the bands into the venues.  I wish now I had remembered the man's name so I could check him out to see if he was telling the truth about how big of a promoter he had been before he walked away from it all to live in Sand Point.

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Posted 16 July 2015 - 05:58 PM

View PostSnaked, on 16 July 2015 - 05:51 PM, said:

View PostLorraine, on 16 July 2015 - 12:20 PM, said:

View PostSnaked, on 16 July 2015 - 11:35 AM, said:

I can tell you with no degree of uncertainty that the numbers you see in the boxscore DO NOT include merchandise.

Merch is a completely separate entity and is handled by Showtech (RSBC people).

How can we get them to offer the Arf40 t-shirts for sale?  I don't think there is one person on this forum who wouldn't buy one.  In Zumbi's case, he would probably buy a dozen.


Email the RBSC folks and ask them to make them available for sale

Quite a few of us already did that.  They say they can't do it.  The shirts were custom made for Geddy's exclusive use.  Furthermore, they told LABT that they (RBSC) had no connection with the band.  There is a thread in this section LABT started all about trying to get the Arf40 shirts made available.

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Posted 16 July 2015 - 07:02 PM

When in line for the restroom at Tulsa, I asked a large group of men.....how many of ya'll are actually from Tulsa....not many was the answer.

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Posted 16 July 2015 - 09:04 PM

View PostLorraine, on 16 July 2015 - 05:58 PM, said:

View PostSnaked, on 16 July 2015 - 05:51 PM, said:

View PostLorraine, on 16 July 2015 - 12:20 PM, said:

View PostSnaked, on 16 July 2015 - 11:35 AM, said:

I can tell you with no degree of uncertainty that the numbers you see in the boxscore DO NOT include merchandise.

Merch is a completely separate entity and is handled by Showtech (RSBC people).

How can we get them to offer the Arf40 t-shirts for sale?  I don't think there is one person on this forum who wouldn't buy one.  In Zumbi's case, he would probably buy a dozen.


Email the RBSC folks and ask them to make them available for sale

Quite a few of us already did that.  They say they can't do it.  The shirts were custom made for Geddy's exclusive use.  Furthermore, they told LABT that they (RBSC) had no connection with the band.  There is a thread in this section LABT started all about trying to get the Arf40 shirts made available.


Showtech (RBSC) can reasonably say that they have no connection with the band... but those of us who know better, know better.
Yes, they're their own entity... but... what umbrella are they under?

Now if the ARF40 shirts are exclusive (like Neil's have been since S&A) that's another story altogether.
I would bet though that after the tour is officially over if there are enough 'squeaky wheels' we could see some reasonable facsimile surface from them.


ETA:

I feel the sudden need to clarify something here.
Yes. Showtech has clients other than RUSH.
However, my statement of "...what umbrella are they under?" is for the sole purpose of RBSC/RUSH tours.

ETA2:

I just read through the other (ARF40) thread. LABT didn't say that RBSC didn't have any connection with the band, they said they don't have any direct contact with the band.. which could very well be true. They certainly have direct contact with the art director(s) for the tour and I'm sure there is some back and forth comment wise with the band/Ray/Pegi/Andy etc.


From what I read, if all those emails are copy/pasted as is then they're just trying to say 'PISS OFF' very nicely. The shirts are for Ged.

That doesn't mean you can copy the design via CafePress or some other similar site.... then again, pesky copyright laws and such 0.o

Edited by Snaked, 16 July 2015 - 09:36 PM.


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Posted 16 July 2015 - 09:18 PM

I'm sure Geddy probably just had the shirts made for himself, just like most all the rest of the t shirts  that he's worn on tour.  This one has just turned out to be really popular.  I remember everybody wanting the blah blah blah shirt he wore at one point.

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Posted 21 July 2015 - 09:53 AM

Rush 22 show $24,6 mill. Average Attendance 13,062 Average Gross $1,118,000

http://www.pollstarp...ericanTours.pdf

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Posted 21 July 2015 - 11:27 AM

Not bad.

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Posted 21 July 2015 - 01:49 PM

View PostLorraine, on 16 July 2015 - 05:56 PM, said:

There's a man out here my husband once met who lives in Sand Point, Idaho.  He told my husband he had been a promoter in the NYC area and handled all the big names.  

You can't trust anyone who lives in north Idaho, they're like their own separate state of weirdos up there.  Beautiful area though.

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Posted 22 July 2015 - 10:10 AM

nice

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Posted 22 July 2015 - 11:18 AM

I can imagine the Philly show made a lot of money as we were packed in there like sardines.  I'm 6 foot 225 lbs and had trouble fitting my ass in that seat.  The guy next to me should have had to buy two tickets.

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Posted 22 July 2015 - 11:23 AM

View PostRelayer2112, on 22 July 2015 - 11:18 AM, said:

I can imagine the Philly show made a lot of money as we were packed in there like sardines.  I'm 6 foot 225 lbs and had trouble fitting my ass in that seat.  The guy next to me should have had to buy two tickets.

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June 25, 2015
$1,340,006
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$151, $111, $86, $46
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Posted 23 July 2015 - 11:10 AM

View PostNa na na, on 21 July 2015 - 09:53 AM, said:

Rush 22 show $24,6 mill. Average Attendance 13,062 Average Gross $1,118,000

http://www.pollstarp...ericanTours.pdf

Rush kicks Shania Twain's arse easily. Not bad for a band that has no hits. :D

New Kids on the Block are on the list too? WTF!!! They're still touring? Seriously?



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