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#1 coventry

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Posted 07 February 2015 - 03:49 PM

Not to be acerbic, but whine, whine, whine; "in the past it was this"; "it used to be so easy to do this"; "what happened to the days of.."; "I'm frustrated with how I'm not able to get seats that befit my love of the band..."

I'm sorry - did a bunch of my self-entitled high school seniors just take over this forum? I mean, I understand the frustration, but we're adults here. This is a capitalist, supply/demand system. Yes - there are slimy scalpers with professionally-written bot algorithms who scoop up all the good seats and then make obscene profits on them. This has been going on for how long now? Why is this news?

I agree - its a deplorable, albeit legal practice that somewhat deadens the whole experience. And yes, sometimes I too would like to be able to stand in line at the local venue or TM outlet overnight and proffer up $30 for a 2nd row seat. I'd also like to open up a brand new "Missile Command" cartridge while listening to the Police's new album, Synchronicity, but that's not going to happen again, either.

You want tickets to a major draw, arena rock band? Then this is part of the game. You want good seats consistently? Start seeing smaller acts in smaller venues. Try general admission shows. Try the symphony or a good jazz club. But please stop whining about your frustration at being outwitted in the ticket game.

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Posted 07 February 2015 - 03:58 PM

View Postcoventry, on 07 February 2015 - 03:49 PM, said:

Not to be acerbic, but whine, whine, whine; "in the past it was this"; "it used to be so easy to do this"; "what happened to the days of.."; "I'm frustrated with how I'm not able to get seats that befit my love of the band..."

I'm sorry - did a bunch of my self-entitled high school seniors just take over this forum? I mean, I understand the frustration, but we're adults here. This is a capitalist, supply/demand system. Yes - there are slimy scalpers with professionally-written bot algorithms who scoop up all the good seats and then make obscene profits on them. This has been going on for how long now? Why is this news?

I agree - its a deplorable, albeit legal practice that somewhat deadens the whole experience. And yes, sometimes I too would like to be able to stand in line at the local venue or TM outlet overnight and proffer up $30 for a 2nd row seat. I'd also like to open up a brand new "Missile Command" cartridge while listening to the Police's new album, Synchronicity, but that's not going to happen again, either.

You want tickets to a major draw, arena rock band? Then this is part of the game. You want good seats consistently? Start seeing smaller acts in smaller venues. Try general admission shows. Try the symphony or a good jazz club. But please stop whining about your frustration at being outwitted in the ticket game.

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Its not about whining,

More about frustration.

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Posted 07 February 2015 - 04:01 PM

I had no problem getting my lawn ticket. :)

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Posted 07 February 2015 - 04:31 PM

View Posttroutman, on 07 February 2015 - 03:58 PM, said:

View Postcoventry, on 07 February 2015 - 03:49 PM, said:

Not to be acerbic, but whine, whine, whine; "in the past it was this"; "it used to be so easy to do this"; "what happened to the days of.."; "I'm frustrated with how I'm not able to get seats that befit my love of the band..."

I'm sorry - did a bunch of my self-entitled high school seniors just take over this forum? I mean, I understand the frustration, but we're adults here. This is a capitalist, supply/demand system. Yes - there are slimy scalpers with professionally-written bot algorithms who scoop up all the good seats and then make obscene profits on them. This has been going on for how long now? Why is this news?

I agree - its a deplorable, albeit legal practice that somewhat deadens the whole experience. And yes, sometimes I too would like to be able to stand in line at the local venue or TM outlet overnight and proffer up $30 for a 2nd row seat. I'd also like to open up a brand new "Missile Command" cartridge while listening to the Police's new album, Synchronicity, but that's not going to happen again, either.

You want tickets to a major draw, arena rock band? Then this is part of the game. You want good seats consistently? Start seeing smaller acts in smaller venues. Try general admission shows. Try the symphony or a good jazz club. But please stop whining about your frustration at being outwitted in the ticket game.

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Its not about whining,

More about frustration.

Yes I agree. There are a lot of people that have been long time fans that can't afford the tickets this time. Especially if it's going to be their last decent sized tour.

I can understand thinking this, but sometimes it's better to just keep quiet. People just need to vent their frustration and this may be the only outlet they have with people that would understand.

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Posted 07 February 2015 - 04:41 PM

View PostEagleMoon, on 07 February 2015 - 04:31 PM, said:

View Posttroutman, on 07 February 2015 - 03:58 PM, said:

View Postcoventry, on 07 February 2015 - 03:49 PM, said:

Not to be acerbic, but whine, whine, whine; "in the past it was this"; "it used to be so easy to do this"; "what happened to the days of.."; "I'm frustrated with how I'm not able to get seats that befit my love of the band..."

I'm sorry - did a bunch of my self-entitled high school seniors just take over this forum? I mean, I understand the frustration, but we're adults here. This is a capitalist, supply/demand system. Yes - there are slimy scalpers with professionally-written bot algorithms who scoop up all the good seats and then make obscene profits on them. This has been going on for how long now? Why is this news?

I agree - its a deplorable, albeit legal practice that somewhat deadens the whole experience. And yes, sometimes I too would like to be able to stand in line at the local venue or TM outlet overnight and proffer up $30 for a 2nd row seat. I'd also like to open up a brand new "Missile Command" cartridge while listening to the Police's new album, Synchronicity, but that's not going to happen again, either.

You want tickets to a major draw, arena rock band? Then this is part of the game. You want good seats consistently? Start seeing smaller acts in smaller venues. Try general admission shows. Try the symphony or a good jazz club. But please stop whining about your frustration at being outwitted in the ticket game.

:facepalm:

Its not about whining,

More about frustration.

Yes I agree. There are a lot of people that have been long time fans that can't afford the tickets this time. Especially if it's going to be their last decent sized tour.

I can understand thinking this, but sometimes it's better to just keep quiet. People just need to vent their frustration and this may be the only outlet they have with people that would understand.

I understand,

But for me its not the cost so much. Just where I am sitting and not having to go through this crap. People can decide what they want to pay or not. Just give me a choice and be done with it.

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Posted 07 February 2015 - 05:01 PM

View Posttroutman, on 07 February 2015 - 04:41 PM, said:

View PostEagleMoon, on 07 February 2015 - 04:31 PM, said:

View Posttroutman, on 07 February 2015 - 03:58 PM, said:

View Postcoventry, on 07 February 2015 - 03:49 PM, said:

Not to be acerbic, but whine, whine, whine; "in the past it was this"; "it used to be so easy to do this"; "what happened to the days of.."; "I'm frustrated with how I'm not able to get seats that befit my love of the band..."

I'm sorry - did a bunch of my self-entitled high school seniors just take over this forum? I mean, I understand the frustration, but we're adults here. This is a capitalist, supply/demand system. Yes - there are slimy scalpers with professionally-written bot algorithms who scoop up all the good seats and then make obscene profits on them. This has been going on for how long now? Why is this news?

I agree - its a deplorable, albeit legal practice that somewhat deadens the whole experience. And yes, sometimes I too would like to be able to stand in line at the local venue or TM outlet overnight and proffer up $30 for a 2nd row seat. I'd also like to open up a brand new "Missile Command" cartridge while listening to the Police's new album, Synchronicity, but that's not going to happen again, either.

You want tickets to a major draw, arena rock band? Then this is part of the game. You want good seats consistently? Start seeing smaller acts in smaller venues. Try general admission shows. Try the symphony or a good jazz club. But please stop whining about your frustration at being outwitted in the ticket game.

:facepalm:

Its not about whining,

More about frustration.

Yes I agree. There are a lot of people that have been long time fans that can't afford the tickets this time. Especially if it's going to be their last decent sized tour.

I can understand thinking this, but sometimes it's better to just keep quiet. People just need to vent their frustration and this may be the only outlet they have with people that would understand.

I understand,

But for me its not the cost so much. Just where I am sitting and not having to go through this crap. People can decide what they want to pay or not. Just give me a choice and be done with it.

Yeah I agree it sucks not knowing where you're sitting.

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Posted 07 February 2015 - 05:03 PM

View Posttroutman, on 07 February 2015 - 04:41 PM, said:

View PostEagleMoon, on 07 February 2015 - 04:31 PM, said:

View Posttroutman, on 07 February 2015 - 03:58 PM, said:

View Postcoventry, on 07 February 2015 - 03:49 PM, said:

Not to be acerbic, but whine, whine, whine; "in the past it was this"; "it used to be so easy to do this"; "what happened to the days of.."; "I'm frustrated with how I'm not able to get seats that befit my love of the band..."

I'm sorry - did a bunch of my self-entitled high school seniors just take over this forum? I mean, I understand the frustration, but we're adults here. This is a capitalist, supply/demand system. Yes - there are slimy scalpers with professionally-written bot algorithms who scoop up all the good seats and then make obscene profits on them. This has been going on for how long now? Why is this news?

I agree - its a deplorable, albeit legal practice that somewhat deadens the whole experience. And yes, sometimes I too would like to be able to stand in line at the local venue or TM outlet overnight and proffer up $30 for a 2nd row seat. I'd also like to open up a brand new "Missile Command" cartridge while listening to the Police's new album, Synchronicity, but that's not going to happen again, either.

You want tickets to a major draw, arena rock band? Then this is part of the game. You want good seats consistently? Start seeing smaller acts in smaller venues. Try general admission shows. Try the symphony or a good jazz club. But please stop whining about your frustration at being outwitted in the ticket game.

:facepalm:

Its not about whining,

More about frustration.

Yes I agree. There are a lot of people that have been long time fans that can't afford the tickets this time. Especially if it's going to be their last decent sized tour.

I can understand thinking this, but sometimes it's better to just keep quiet. People just need to vent their frustration and this may be the only outlet they have with people that would understand.

I understand,

But for me its not the cost so much. Just where I am sitting and not having to go through this crap. People can decide what they want to pay or not. Just give me a choice and be done with it.
I intentionally went after New Orleans tickets despite living in Florida- With only 1 show in Florida I knew every person would be trying for Tampa,
boy was I correct. Tampa went rocket ship fast-ALL presales- New Orleans had plenty of tix for every presale- Got 3rd row off floor Ged's side.
Very happy.
But I understand the frustration.

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Posted 07 February 2015 - 05:03 PM

Whining about whiners.  :lol:

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Posted 07 February 2015 - 05:05 PM

View PostEagleMoon, on 07 February 2015 - 05:01 PM, said:

View Posttroutman, on 07 February 2015 - 04:41 PM, said:

View PostEagleMoon, on 07 February 2015 - 04:31 PM, said:

View Posttroutman, on 07 February 2015 - 03:58 PM, said:

View Postcoventry, on 07 February 2015 - 03:49 PM, said:

Not to be acerbic, but whine, whine, whine; "in the past it was this"; "it used to be so easy to do this"; "what happened to the days of.."; "I'm frustrated with how I'm not able to get seats that befit my love of the band..."

I'm sorry - did a bunch of my self-entitled high school seniors just take over this forum? I mean, I understand the frustration, but we're adults here. This is a capitalist, supply/demand system. Yes - there are slimy scalpers with professionally-written bot algorithms who scoop up all the good seats and then make obscene profits on them. This has been going on for how long now? Why is this news?

I agree - its a deplorable, albeit legal practice that somewhat deadens the whole experience. And yes, sometimes I too would like to be able to stand in line at the local venue or TM outlet overnight and proffer up $30 for a 2nd row seat. I'd also like to open up a brand new "Missile Command" cartridge while listening to the Police's new album, Synchronicity, but that's not going to happen again, either.

You want tickets to a major draw, arena rock band? Then this is part of the game. You want good seats consistently? Start seeing smaller acts in smaller venues. Try general admission shows. Try the symphony or a good jazz club. But please stop whining about your frustration at being outwitted in the ticket game.

:facepalm:

Its not about whining,

More about frustration.

Yes I agree. There are a lot of people that have been long time fans that can't afford the tickets this time. Especially if it's going to be their last decent sized tour.

I can understand thinking this, but sometimes it's better to just keep quiet. People just need to vent their frustration and this may be the only outlet they have with people that would understand.

I understand,

But for me its not the cost so much. Just where I am sitting and not having to go through this crap. People can decide what they want to pay or not. Just give me a choice and be done with it.

Yeah I agree it sucks not knowing where you're sitting.

Yep,

I have posted this many times. I am not going to buy a ticket regardless of the cost and not knowing all of the details.

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Posted 07 February 2015 - 05:44 PM

View PostEagleMoon, on 07 February 2015 - 04:31 PM, said:

View Posttroutman, on 07 February 2015 - 03:58 PM, said:

View Postcoventry, on 07 February 2015 - 03:49 PM, said:

Not to be acerbic, but whine, whine, whine; "in the past it was this"; "it used to be so easy to do this"; "what happened to the days of.."; "I'm frustrated with how I'm not able to get seats that befit my love of the band..."

I'm sorry - did a bunch of my self-entitled high school seniors just take over this forum? I mean, I understand the frustration, but we're adults here. This is a capitalist, supply/demand system. Yes - there are slimy scalpers with professionally-written bot algorithms who scoop up all the good seats and then make obscene profits on them. This has been going on for how long now? Why is this news?

I agree - its a deplorable, albeit legal practice that somewhat deadens the whole experience. And yes, sometimes I too would like to be able to stand in line at the local venue or TM outlet overnight and proffer up $30 for a 2nd row seat. I'd also like to open up a brand new "Missile Command" cartridge while listening to the Police's new album, Synchronicity, but that's not going to happen again, either.

You want tickets to a major draw, arena rock band? Then this is part of the game. You want good seats consistently? Start seeing smaller acts in smaller venues. Try general admission shows. Try the symphony or a good jazz club. But please stop whining about your frustration at being outwitted in the ticket game.

:facepalm:

Its not about whining,

More about frustration.

Yes I agree. There are a lot of people that have been long time fans that can't afford the tickets this time. Especially if it's going to be their last decent sized tour.

I can understand thinking this, but sometimes it's better to just keep quiet. People just need to vent their frustration and this may be the only outlet they have with people that would understand.

Except it's been going on since the first pre-sales started. And it went on during the CA tour, and the one before it. People blame scalpers, they blame, ticketmaster, they blame the band. I get the frustration, but accept the fact that this is the current paradigm in big-name ticket sales, especially hyped ones.

You're a really big fan of the band? Good. Then be happy with upper-level nosebleed seats. At least you're seeing them live.

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Posted 07 February 2015 - 05:46 PM

View PostLorraine, on 07 February 2015 - 05:03 PM, said:

Whining about whiners.  :lol:

Stop being so fourth wall, lorraine. I'm not whining about things. I'm admonishing those who are.

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Posted 07 February 2015 - 05:48 PM

To add to the whining, I just noticed the seating map has changed in Columbus AFTER I bought VIP silver tickets. It slid section 104 down to where 105 used to be. 103 is now where I used to be. VIP support at Ticketmaster basically confirmed that this happens sometimes, not very often though, and there is a small disclaimer that seating alignment can change without notice. So they really couldn't help me. They were very sorry though.

So anybody interested in VIP silver tickets Sect 104 row E, seats 1-4, may PM me. I might be willing to part with them out of whiney frustration.

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Posted 07 February 2015 - 05:53 PM

View Postcoventry, on 07 February 2015 - 05:46 PM, said:

View PostLorraine, on 07 February 2015 - 05:03 PM, said:

Whining about whiners.  :lol:

Stop being so fourth wall, lorraine. I'm not whining about things. I'm admonishing those who are.
I don't get your "fourth wall" reference -

Call it admonishing if you want.

I say you are whining about whiners.  :madra:

Edited by Lorraine, 07 February 2015 - 05:55 PM.


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Posted 07 February 2015 - 05:55 PM

View PostLorraine, on 07 February 2015 - 05:53 PM, said:

View Postcoventry, on 07 February 2015 - 05:46 PM, said:

View PostLorraine, on 07 February 2015 - 05:03 PM, said:

Whining about whiners.  :lol:

Stop being so fourth wall, lorraine. I'm not whining about things. I'm admonishing those who are.
I don't get your "fourth wall" reference -

Call it admonishing if you want.

I say you are whining about whiners.

Fourth wall is calling attention to the very medium one is using (like an actor talking to the camera, or someone acknowledging she's whining about whining).

By your generalization, any critical observation is whining. Which is pretty general.

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Posted 07 February 2015 - 06:03 PM

View Postcoventry, on 07 February 2015 - 05:55 PM, said:

View PostLorraine, on 07 February 2015 - 05:53 PM, said:

View Postcoventry, on 07 February 2015 - 05:46 PM, said:

View PostLorraine, on 07 February 2015 - 05:03 PM, said:

Whining about whiners.  :lol:

Stop being so fourth wall, lorraine. I'm not whining about things. I'm admonishing those who are.
I don't get your "fourth wall" reference -

Call it admonishing if you want.

I say you are whining about whiners.

Fourth wall is calling attention to the very medium one is using (like an actor talking to the camera, or someone acknowledging she's whining about whining).

By your generalization, any critical observation is whining. Which is pretty general.

I agree with Lorraine.  You're whining about other people's whining.  

By YOUR generalization, other Rush fans' critical observations of how they're getting tickets is whining.  

Current ticketing companies deserve the criticism that they're getting.  Improvements won't happen unless people voice their displeasure and frustration with Ticketmaster and the other companies.

p.s. And you're not being forced to read any threads about the ticket buying process.  You can easily skip over them.

Edited by Principled Man, 07 February 2015 - 06:05 PM.


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Posted 07 February 2015 - 06:07 PM

View PostPrincipled Man, on 07 February 2015 - 06:03 PM, said:

View Postcoventry, on 07 February 2015 - 05:55 PM, said:

View PostLorraine, on 07 February 2015 - 05:53 PM, said:

View Postcoventry, on 07 February 2015 - 05:46 PM, said:

View PostLorraine, on 07 February 2015 - 05:03 PM, said:

Whining about whiners.  :lol:

Stop being so fourth wall, lorraine. I'm not whining about things. I'm admonishing those who are.
I don't get your "fourth wall" reference -

Call it admonishing if you want.

I say you are whining about whiners.

Fourth wall is calling attention to the very medium one is using (like an actor talking to the camera, or someone acknowledging she's whining about whining).

By your generalization, any critical observation is whining. Which is pretty general.

I agree with Lorraine.  You're whining about other people's whining.  

By YOUR generalization, other Rush fans' critical observations of how they're getting tickets is whining.  

Current ticketing companies deserve the criticism that they're getting.  Improvements won't happen unless people voice their displeasure and frustration with Ticketmaster and the other companies.

p.s. And you're not being forced to read any threads about the ticket buying process.  You can easily skip over them.

Or leave if you're so disturbed.

Edited by Lorraine, 07 February 2015 - 06:07 PM.


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Posted 07 February 2015 - 06:08 PM

I can see where you're coming from. I admit, I did quite a bit of whining...but it started to subside after I bit the bullet and ordered the best seats available to me within budget. A lot of it probably just stemmed from a sense of panic that I think most people felt trying to navigate the presales. I know I think I felt like it would be easy to pull front row like I did on the CA tour, but I guess you can't be so lucky all the time. I do feel like the direct process through VIP Nation (if your venue wasn't a ticketmaster controlled venue) was a bit easier to deal with. All the TM site malfunctions and having to fill out the same awful captchas definitely didn't help matters (not to mention seeing the huge markup on secondhand tix probably rubbed people the wrong way too). Not everyone knows the ins and outs of buying tickets online...guess this is a new learning experience for some folks... Alas...the truth is, ya get what ya get and there's not much you can do about it. The "whining" will soon pass...best to just let it be IMO.

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Posted 07 February 2015 - 06:11 PM

How long have you been here or a rush fan.........it's a forum.  grow a thicker skin or leave.  sorry but i can't get behind threads like this.

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Posted 07 February 2015 - 06:29 PM

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Posted 07 February 2015 - 06:38 PM

It's not the frustration one can feel when repeated requests for "Best Seats Available" go rejected some few seconds into the sale. That's understandable.

It's the tone, the whole "I'm through.." and "It's not fair..." and such. That's whining.

Research how large venues release tickets (as has already been pointed out a few times in these threads). Figure you'll get decent tickets if you really want them. Keep TM up and running and check it each day. Look for postings alerting fellow TRF members that new seats are available, etc.

You want frustration? What about the South American or Scandinavian fans who quite possibly will never see the band again?




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