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Which album started Rush's "decline"?

  1. Rush (3 votes [3.66%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.66%

  2. Fly By Night (1 votes [1.22%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 1.22%

  3. Caress of Steel (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. 2112 (1 votes [1.22%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 1.22%

  5. A Farewell to Kings (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. Hemispheres (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. Permanent Waves (3 votes [3.66%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.66%

  8. Moving Pictures (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  9. Signals (10 votes [12.20%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 12.20%

  10. Grace Under Pressure (5 votes [6.10%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 6.10%

  11. Power Windows (4 votes [4.88%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 4.88%

  12. Hold Your Fire (3 votes [3.66%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.66%

  13. Presto (7 votes [8.54%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 8.54%

  14. Roll the Bones (4 votes [4.88%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 4.88%

  15. Counterparts (2 votes [2.44%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 2.44%

  16. Test for Echo (3 votes [3.66%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.66%

  17. Vapor Trails (1 votes [1.22%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 1.22%

  18. Feedback (1 votes [1.22%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 1.22%

  19. Snakes and Arrows (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  20. Clockwork Angels (1 votes [1.22%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 1.22%

  21. Rush started declining before they released their first album (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  22. Rush have been constantly ascending (2 votes [2.44%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 2.44%

  23. No decline whatsoever; Rush are a progressive band so they are always "progressing" (13 votes [15.85%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 15.85%

  24. The band has never declined, the listener has. (11 votes [13.41%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 13.41%

  25. I "decline" to participate in this poll. (7 votes [8.54%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 8.54%

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#41 savagegrace26

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Posted 21 October 2014 - 12:38 AM

View PostRUSHHEAD666, on 21 October 2014 - 12:37 AM, said:

View Postsavagegrace26, on 21 October 2014 - 12:33 AM, said:

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View Postsavagegrace26, on 21 October 2014 - 12:29 AM, said:

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For me it's "Testicle For Echo" and "Vapor Nails."

Uh...do you mean "Incest Whore Gecko"?

HAHAHAHAHA!!!  Now that is creative buddy!  Love it!

I can't take credit. It's by a member who was banned recently.

You may enjoy his reviews:
http://www.therushfo...for-echo-review

Hahaha!!  Was the member Cosy Toes?  That guy was classic!  

Getting banned!  Old 73 has been pretty cool to me but hey I do try to push the envelope.

That's why I will NEVER join their political arena!

I would rather talk Rush, sports and music.

Spaghetti Lee.

He was banned for looking into Neil's sexuality too much.

Edited by savagegrace26, 21 October 2014 - 12:39 AM.


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#42 RUSHHEAD666

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Posted 21 October 2014 - 12:41 AM

View Postsavagegrace26, on 20 October 2014 - 11:53 PM, said:

View PostLedRush, on 20 October 2014 - 11:46 PM, said:

It seems that most comparisons of every album in the last twenty-something years involve some sort of statement of which is the best album since MP.  There's a reason for that, and the statement implies that Signal signaled a decline in the band.  


Which makes it a factual "truth"?


Holy Cow!  What a review of "Test For Echo."  I kind of agree.  The opening title track is excellent.  But then it starts to go drastically downhill!

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Posted 21 October 2014 - 12:42 AM

View Postsavagegrace26, on 21 October 2014 - 12:33 AM, said:

View PostRUSHHEAD666, on 21 October 2014 - 12:30 AM, said:

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For me it's "Testicle For Echo" and "Vapor Nails."

Uh...do you mean "Incest Whore Gecko"?

HAHAHAHAHA!!!  Now that is creative buddy!  Love it!

I can't take credit. It's by a member who was banned recently.

You may enjoy his reviews:
http://www.therushfo...for-echo-review

That indeed was some funny "shit" man.

I wouldn't go that far but yeah I think it's lyrically Neil's worst effort too.

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Posted 21 October 2014 - 12:44 AM

I'd say decline is too harsh a word.  Also they didn't immediately improve on the debut.  Rush to FBN to CoS is a decline that suddenly reverses and launches to the top with 2112.  2112>Presto IMHO has very few (can count them on one hand) bad songs.  

Then they became inconsistent again.  RTB is saddled with Heresy and Face Up, Cp is a big improvement, then T4E backslides.

Followed by their second big comeback: VT, S&A and CA are all better than RTB and T4E

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Posted 21 October 2014 - 12:46 AM

View Postsavagegrace26, on 21 October 2014 - 12:38 AM, said:

View PostRUSHHEAD666, on 21 October 2014 - 12:37 AM, said:

View Postsavagegrace26, on 21 October 2014 - 12:33 AM, said:

View PostRUSHHEAD666, on 21 October 2014 - 12:30 AM, said:

View Postsavagegrace26, on 21 October 2014 - 12:29 AM, said:

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For me it's "Testicle For Echo" and "Vapor Nails."

Uh...do you mean "Incest Whore Gecko"?

HAHAHAHAHA!!!  Now that is creative buddy!  Love it!

I can't take credit. It's by a member who was banned recently.

You may enjoy his reviews:
http://www.therushfo...for-echo-review

Hahaha!!  Was the member Cosy Toes?  That guy was classic!  

Getting banned!  Old 73 has been pretty cool to me but hey I do try to push the envelope.

That's why I will NEVER join their political arena!

I would rather talk Rush, sports and music.

Spaghetti Lee.

He was banned for looking into Neil's sexuality too much.

HAHAHAHA!!!!  Really?  No?  Did he really pull the g@y card out on Neil?  That rumor was circulating back in 1982!!!  I never believed it!!
Neil has been blessed even though he is "Faithless."  He has a beautiful wife and I think he has two kids now.
He is living in beautiful Santa Barbara or Montecito next to Oprah Winfrey!  

HE'S GOT IT MADE!! LOL!!!

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Posted 21 October 2014 - 12:53 AM

View PostPause Rewind Replay, on 21 October 2014 - 12:44 AM, said:

I'd say decline is too harsh a word.  Also they didn't immediately improve on the debut.  Rush to FBN to CoS is a decline that suddenly reverses and launches to the top with 2112.  2112>Presto IMHO has very few (can count them on one hand) bad songs.  

Then they became inconsistent again.  RTB is saddled with Heresy and Face Up, Cp is a big improvement, then T4E backslides.

Followed by their second big comeback: VT, S&A and CA are all better than RTB and T4E

If anything the band is declining NOW!  The boys are human too right? LOL!  I mean sometimes during the last few tours it was hard trying to listen to Geddy sing.
Neil seemed like he was huffing and a puffing like Puff The Magic Dragon!  HAHAHA!

To be honest the only one who is NOT declining is Alex!!  Damn he's getting better during each tour!!!! JMO!!!

How will Geddy's voice survive the next tour in the spring of 2015?  Thank GOD there is no new album so maybe they will play "Jacob's Ladder" so every fanboi can grab a Coke, pop some Cheetos and jack off on the internet!  Jesus!

I pray there is no orchestra this time around.  Maybe they will open with an instrumental medley like they did on the R30 Tour.

What will this tour be called?  R40.5?


I'm going off the rails of a crazy train.  I have just lost my wit.

So hey, it is what it is.

We are lucky our band is still alive and well.

Personally I'm just not going to travel anymore for the band outside of California.

Time will tell.

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Posted 21 October 2014 - 12:56 AM

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What will this tour be called?  R40.5?

Maybe R41

http://www.rushisaba...nniversary-tour

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I'm going off the rails of a crazy train.  I have just lost my wit.

Are you sure that didn't happen a long time ago?

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Posted 21 October 2014 - 01:31 AM

This guy would say Signals, due to the changed nature of Alex's guitar parts...

For all you Rush freaks out there, I have always wondered about the drastic change in Alex Lifeson's guitar playing in the 1980s. I'm talking specifically about the change that occurred on Signals but really progressed to Grace Under Pressure. There were hints of this coming change as far back as Permanent Waves I think and it certainly is there on Moving Pictures. However, in 1982, his playing changed dramatically with heavy use of the tremlo bar, and those "shiny", angular chords. Prior to that, his playing was very loose and heavy like Jimmy Page. From 82 till 93, he played a diminished role and since it went on for the better part of a decade, I can only assume he willingly let the keyboards take over the mids previously handled by guitar. Has anyone ever heard why he changed his playing style so dramatically? To me, this was the part of Rush's synth period I liked the least. There were moments of heavy guitar solos (Analog Kid, Kid Gloves, Red Tide), but for the most part he seemed to hang back until Counterparts came out and since then, the guitar has become more forward with the keys taking a back seat. He's been quoted as saying he always wanted to emulate Page, so why did he willingly take on such a reduced role in the bands playing?

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Posted 21 October 2014 - 01:51 AM

P/G is an awesome guitar album, and not just because of the solos.

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Posted 21 October 2014 - 03:24 AM

Decline is too harsh, after Signals the albums became hit and miss at times. I still think the writing on Signals was in the same vein as Permanent Waves and Moving Pictures so didn't mind the added synths, let's face it, it wasn't like Rick Wakeman noodling over everything.But things changed with Grace Under Pressure and the four albums afterwards in terms of writing, and the sound changed dramatically from album to album. It became, "Guess what the new Rush album sounds like?" to the point where anything was possible amidst,"What is this?" The change of each album from Grace Under Pressure through to Roll the Bones was too much for some but there are moments of sheer magic on all of their albums that surpass 99% of all other music; solo in Kid Gloves, Marathon, Mission, War Paint, Where's My Thing?

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Posted 21 October 2014 - 04:10 AM

Never been a 'decline' so to speak but, although it was a well written album musically & lyrically, i do feel the band underwent a small rethink after roll the bones, the general feel of which could have been described by some as tinny and underwhelming perhaps.

I mean the album's great i personally loved it, but coming back with counterparts probably showed a more radical than usual attempt to address some issues. I dunno, thats just what i think.

The only other thing i'd say is that for me personally, the album clockwork angels is only roughly half rush brilliance, the other half being ok but nothing too special.

I've never felt like that about a single rush album before. They all been brilliant in entirety.

Not suggesting was a decline really, coz to be quite honest the quality stuff on CA is utterly sublime rush and makes up what would have been a full vinyl album before cd's came along.

Just a little bit of a slight worry for me personally thats all i'm sure the guys will rectify that in the next effort if hopefully there is one. Can't criticize these guys work/creative effort at all over the decades obviously they're very special talents indeed we owe so much to.

Edited by lifeson90, 21 October 2014 - 07:15 AM.


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Posted 21 October 2014 - 06:59 AM

Rush has had a decline? :huh:

True, there may be a couple of albums I don't like that much, and there may be lower quality songcraft in some places that we can pinpoint. But the thread subject's title question implies that they started to go downhill at some point and have never recovered. And I can't hang with that point of view. It's just not so.

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Posted 21 October 2014 - 07:10 AM

I wish i could vote for starting at Vital signs, or maybe even Witch Hunt.  I'm usually looking for the next disc to put in when Camera Eye ends, so I feel like I am pretty tuned out during Witch hunt.  I almost never hear Vital signs before I hit eject.  That is where the decline started for me.  To keep with the rules I voted signals

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Posted 21 October 2014 - 09:28 AM

No decline at all. The way the OP worded it is perfect. They are always progressing. Always in the direction I would like or hope for? No. But they are always progressing.

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Posted 21 October 2014 - 11:10 AM

View PostRUSHHEAD666, on 21 October 2014 - 12:53 AM, said:

View PostPause Rewind Replay, on 21 October 2014 - 12:44 AM, said:

I'd say decline is too harsh a word.  Also they didn't immediately improve on the debut.  Rush to FBN to CoS is a decline that suddenly reverses and launches to the top with 2112.  2112>Presto IMHO has very few (can count them on one hand) bad songs.  

Then they became inconsistent again.  RTB is saddled with Heresy and Face Up, Cp is a big improvement, then T4E backslides.

Followed by their second big comeback: VT, S&A and CA are all better than RTB and T4E

If anything the band is declining NOW!  The boys are human too right? LOL!  I mean sometimes during the last few tours it was hard trying to listen to Geddy sing.
Neil seemed like he was huffing and a puffing like Puff The Magic Dragon!  HAHAHA!

To be honest the only one who is NOT declining is Alex!!  Damn he's getting better during each tour!!!! JMO!!!

How will Geddy's voice survive the next tour in the spring of 2015?  Thank GOD there is no new album so maybe they will play "Jacob's Ladder" so every fanboi can grab a Coke, pop some Cheetos and jack off on the internet!  Jesus!

I pray there is no orchestra this time around.  Maybe they will open with an instrumental medley like they did on the R30 Tour.

What will this tour be called?  R40.5?


I'm going off the rails of a crazy train.  I have just lost my wit.

So hey, it is what it is.

We are lucky our band is still alive and well.

Personally I'm just not going to travel anymore for the band outside of California.

Time will tell.
I was thinking about Geddy's vocal issues the other night, and I think we may not have to worry. Think about it, the CA tour was very long, and it started basically immediately after the very long Time Machine Tour. That's a lot of touring by anyone's standards, perhaps Geddy's voice was just getting tired? Who knows? Maybe after this extended break he'll come back sounding like he did on Snakes

Edited by Geddy's Soul Patch, 21 October 2014 - 11:10 AM.


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Posted 21 October 2014 - 11:30 AM

Earl, you sound an awful lot like Spaghetti to me.   Lose one, gain one.  :)

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Posted 21 October 2014 - 11:33 AM

I think that it's indisputable that the sun rose and set on their "golden" period somewhere between 76-82, though the quality remained high till about 87 IMO...after that, it's been a pretty steady decline

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Posted 21 October 2014 - 01:24 PM

I remember feeling pretty dismayed when Permanent Waves came out.

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Posted 21 October 2014 - 02:02 PM

View PostJARG, on 21 October 2014 - 01:24 PM, said:

I remember feeling pretty dismayed when Permanent Waves came out.

What was it about the album that was so disappointing to you?

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Posted 21 October 2014 - 02:03 PM

View PostLorraine, on 21 October 2014 - 02:02 PM, said:

View PostJARG, on 21 October 2014 - 01:24 PM, said:

I remember feeling pretty dismayed when Permanent Waves came out.

What was it about the album that was so disappointing to you?
It wasn't Hemispheres

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