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#1 KenJennings

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Posted 22 January 2020 - 04:19 PM

With the show launching in about 12 hours, I'm getting very excited. I'll be staying up tonight to watch the moment it goes live.

Season two has already been ordered, and will be including Whoopi Goldberg, presumably reprising her role as Guinan. It's also been hinted that season two could involve Worf or other TNG castmembers. Also encouraging is that season two's showrunner is a throwback to the 'Berman era' (90s) of Star Trek, who wrote and worked on some terrific episodes of Voyager and Enterprise.

Despite the doubts, I'm feeling confident that this is going to be the show that sets up Star Trek's return to glory.

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Posted 22 January 2020 - 04:52 PM

View PostKenJennings, on 22 January 2020 - 04:19 PM, said:

With the show launching in about 12 hours, I'm getting very excited. I'll be staying up tonight to watch the moment it goes live.

Season two has already been ordered, and will be including Whoopi Goldberg, presumably reprising her role as Guinan. It's also been hinted that season two could involve Worf or other TNG castmembers. Also encouraging is that season two's showrunner is a throwback to the 'Berman era' (90s) of Star Trek, who wrote and worked on some terrific episodes of Voyager and Enterprise.

Despite the doubts, I'm feeling confident that this is going to be the show that sets up Star Trek's return to glory.

are they releasing the whole season or is it a one episode a week thing?

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Posted 22 January 2020 - 06:53 PM

View PostRushman14, on 22 January 2020 - 04:52 PM, said:

View PostKenJennings, on 22 January 2020 - 04:19 PM, said:

With the show launching in about 12 hours, I'm getting very excited. I'll be staying up tonight to watch the moment it goes live.

Season two has already been ordered, and will be including Whoopi Goldberg, presumably reprising her role as Guinan. It's also been hinted that season two could involve Worf or other TNG castmembers. Also encouraging is that season two's showrunner is a throwback to the 'Berman era' (90s) of Star Trek, who wrote and worked on some terrific episodes of Voyager and Enterprise.

Despite the doubts, I'm feeling confident that this is going to be the show that sets up Star Trek's return to glory.

are they releasing the whole season or is it a one episode a week thing?


One episode a week.

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Posted 22 January 2020 - 08:22 PM

Looking forward to this. \\//-

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Posted 22 January 2020 - 08:33 PM

View PostKenJennings, on 22 January 2020 - 04:19 PM, said:

With the show launching in about 12 hours, I'm getting very excited. I'll be staying up tonight to watch the moment it goes live.
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Posted 22 January 2020 - 10:54 PM

Most of the whining I've been seeing is that it is 'woke' Trek.


Since that is what Star Trek had always been, and is a big part of why I've always loved it, I'm optimistic.

I also love Discovery, and I'm hopeful that the mistakes it did make are corrected now that they're going into the future.

I've always been opposed to prequel Trek.

So I'm not worried at all.

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Posted 22 January 2020 - 11:44 PM

View PostMosher, on 22 January 2020 - 10:54 PM, said:

Most of the whining I've been seeing is that it is 'woke' Trek.

The complaints about Discovery are far beyond that. Discovery failed in mission, tone and attention to detail.

But the superficial wokeness was an issue.

I don't think nearly so many fans would complain about a liberal or progressive narrative, if the subject matter is thoughtful and serves as a meaningful parable. If I look at Discovery, there is no political message to the series. Instead of thoughtfully advancing a classically progressive vision as previous Star Treks did, Discovery leaned on tokenism and thoughtless identitarianism. Rather than give us a moral or ethical case for equal rights or diverse thought, Discovery leaned on tropes to showcase representation. They objectified the subjects of their identity politics as badges of honor to pander to the crowd.

Yes, Discovery featured the first prominent gay characters on the bridge crew of a Star Trek series; but what did it actually mean? Where was the communication, where was the discussion? If that's not an issue they feel like covering- I'm ok with that. I'm 100% on board with the representation alone. But that representation is no replacement for a parable. So what issues DID Discovery cover? Where did Discovery plant a line in the sand and make a statement of morals or ideology? I don't recall any. They paid lip service to the secular humanism of Gene Roddenberry for meaningless moments, but failed to deliver anything thoughtful.

Glad to say, I don't expect that treatment from Michael Chabon and the Star Trek Picard team. I expect Picard to be challenging, thoughtful, and rhetorical. I expect it to make a case for its beliefs and stand on principle, as Jean Luc Picard always has.

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Posted 22 January 2020 - 11:46 PM

View PostJohnRogers, on 22 January 2020 - 08:33 PM, said:

View PostKenJennings, on 22 January 2020 - 04:19 PM, said:

With the show launching in about 12 hours, I'm getting very excited. I'll be staying up tonight to watch the moment it goes live.
FREAK!
Alright, I'm going to stay up and review this tonight for my blog.

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Posted 23 January 2020 - 03:56 AM

The first episode gets an 8.5/10 from me.

I love the deliberate pacing. I love that there is actually a message and heart to the story. I love the feel that Patrick Stewart has brought back to Jean Luc. The small glimpses of 24th (25th?) century aesthetic we saw were visually on point.

There was a little bit of ham fisted exposition to get the story set up, and that compounded the discomfort of the interview scene. I felt like that part could've been handled better. It's a lot of background to establish, and I wish they could've established it more clearly and gracefully.

But outside of that misstep, I loved it. I can't wait for more.

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Posted 23 January 2020 - 10:42 AM

View PostKenJennings, on 23 January 2020 - 03:56 AM, said:

The first episode gets an 8.5/10 from me.

I love the deliberate pacing. I love that there is actually a message and heart to the story. I love the feel that Patrick Stewart has brought back to Jean Luc. The small glimpses of 24th (25th?) century aesthetic we saw were visually on point.

There was a little bit of ham fisted exposition to get the story set up, and that compounded the discomfort of the interview scene. I felt like that part could've been handled better. It's a lot of background to establish, and I wish they could've established it more clearly and gracefully.

But outside of that misstep, I loved it. I can't wait for more.

This reviewer was not so kind

Can Star Trek: Picard recover from its bafflingly bad premiere?

https://ew.com/tv-re...mid=28918436710

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Posted 23 January 2020 - 11:48 AM

View PostRushman14, on 23 January 2020 - 10:42 AM, said:

View PostKenJennings, on 23 January 2020 - 03:56 AM, said:

The first episode gets an 8.5/10 from me.

I love the deliberate pacing. I love that there is actually a message and heart to the story. I love the feel that Patrick Stewart has brought back to Jean Luc. The small glimpses of 24th (25th?) century aesthetic we saw were visually on point.

There was a little bit of ham fisted exposition to get the story set up, and that compounded the discomfort of the interview scene. I felt like that part could've been handled better. It's a lot of background to establish, and I wish they could've established it more clearly and gracefully.

But outside of that misstep, I loved it. I can't wait for more.

This reviewer was not so kind

Can Star Trek: Picard recover from its bafflingly bad premiere?

https://ew.com/tv-re...mid=28918436710

This reviewer is more kind.
https://www.papersha...tar-trek-picard

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Posted 23 January 2020 - 12:20 PM

I've heard a number of complaints that Picard suffers from slow pacing... I couldn't disagree more. The deliberate pacing reminds me of a show like Better Call Saul, where the story has room to breathe and offer the attention to detail that Discovery so badly lacked as it haphazardly skipped across the touchpoints it needed to hit to stretch the plot.

No, it seems that Picard is paced perfectly. And Patrick Stewart is absolutely CRUSHING IT as an actor.

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Posted 23 January 2020 - 06:04 PM

View PostKenJennings, on 23 January 2020 - 12:20 PM, said:

I've heard a number of complaints that Picard suffers from slow pacing... I couldn't disagree more. The deliberate pacing reminds me of a show like Better Call Saul, where the story has room to breathe and offer the attention to detail that Discovery so badly lacked as it haphazardly skipped across the touchpoints it needed to hit to stretch the plot.

No, it seems that Picard is paced perfectly. And Patrick Stewart is absolutely CRUSHING IT as an actor.

I think im gonna cancel Disney and sign up for CBS all access

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Posted 23 January 2020 - 06:09 PM

View PostRushman14, on 23 January 2020 - 06:04 PM, said:

View PostKenJennings, on 23 January 2020 - 12:20 PM, said:

I've heard a number of complaints that Picard suffers from slow pacing... I couldn't disagree more. The deliberate pacing reminds me of a show like Better Call Saul, where the story has room to breathe and offer the attention to detail that Discovery so badly lacked as it haphazardly skipped across the touchpoints it needed to hit to stretch the plot.

No, it seems that Picard is paced perfectly. And Patrick Stewart is absolutely CRUSHING IT as an actor.

I think im gonna cancel Disney and sign up for CBS all access

Me too - no new Mando until next year so...

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Posted 23 January 2020 - 07:38 PM

View Postchemistry1973, on 23 January 2020 - 06:09 PM, said:

View PostRushman14, on 23 January 2020 - 06:04 PM, said:

View PostKenJennings, on 23 January 2020 - 12:20 PM, said:

I've heard a number of complaints that Picard suffers from slow pacing... I couldn't disagree more. The deliberate pacing reminds me of a show like Better Call Saul, where the story has room to breathe and offer the attention to detail that Discovery so badly lacked as it haphazardly skipped across the touchpoints it needed to hit to stretch the plot.

No, it seems that Picard is paced perfectly. And Patrick Stewart is absolutely CRUSHING IT as an actor.

I think im gonna cancel Disney and sign up for CBS all access

Me too - no new Mando until next year so...

yep. plus Ive never seen any Star Trek Discovery

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Posted 23 January 2020 - 07:50 PM

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Star Trek Picard opens with a whimsical scene of fan service. A welcome mat for fans of Star Trek: The Next Generation that may have tuned out of Discovery...4 stars out of 5.
https://www.papersha...tar-trek-picard

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Posted 23 January 2020 - 11:16 PM

I loved this first episode, and though I disagree with Ken on Discovery, I pretty much agree on all points with Picard. I expect the clunkiness to fade now that the opening exposition is done.

Edited by Mosher, 23 January 2020 - 11:16 PM.


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Posted 24 January 2020 - 01:40 AM

I can't stand any Star Trek after the original and a few of the movies.  But Picard was always amazing.
I was just in Thunder Valley Casino a few nights ago.  I won a couple grand on slots.
I got to my room at 3 AM.
Had an iced tea, some cheese and crackers and watched a Next Generation episode.  Something I never do.
It was about Picard getting a one week break from running the ship.
Picard went to some exotic planet.  Met some cute chick and still had some drama to deal with.
I actually enjoyed the show.

Picard is a Legend.  

I know he's in XMEN too but wasn't he on KQED Channel 9 decades ago.
Great actor.  Amazing dude!!

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Posted 24 January 2020 - 02:26 AM

View PostRUSHHEAD666, on 24 January 2020 - 01:40 AM, said:

I can't stand any Star Trek after the original and a few of the movies.  But Picard was always amazing.
I was just in Thunder Valley Casino a few nights ago.  I won a couple grand on slots.
I got to my room at 3 AM.
Had an iced tea, some cheese and crackers and watched a Next Generation episode.  Something I never do.
It was about Picard getting a one week break from running the ship.
Picard went to some exotic planet.  Met some cute chick and still had some drama to deal with.
I actually enjoyed the show.

Picard is a Legend.  

I know he's in XMEN too but wasn't he on KQED Channel 9 decades ago.
Great actor.  Amazing dude!!
He's a bit of a leftie luvvie though Earl who wants a socialist future!

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Edited by treeduck, 24 January 2020 - 02:28 AM.


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Posted 24 January 2020 - 11:58 AM

Watched it. Enjoyed it very much.

I'm in.




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