JARG Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Can someone put on their headphones and listen to Subdivisions? I can't tell if that is a guitar on the right side at the beginning or part of the keyboards. The guitar comes in with the drums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorraine Posted January 9, 2015 Author Share Posted January 9, 2015 Can someone put on their headphones and listen to Subdivisions? I can't tell if that is a guitar on the right side at the beginning or part of the keyboards. The guitar comes in with the drums. So that is the guitar that is on the right side that I am hearing? I wish I knew the notes to tell you what I am talking about. I mention this because it is the first time I am noticing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JARG Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Can someone put on their headphones and listen to Subdivisions? I can't tell if that is a guitar on the right side at the beginning or part of the keyboards. The guitar comes in with the drums. So that is the guitar that is on the right side that I am hearing? I'm sure it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JARG Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 http://youtu.be/Ju80jIALJFA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toymaker Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Don't think Lorraine will be able to listen to that, Jarg - unless you're no longer on dial-up Lorraine? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JARG Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Don't think Lorraine will be able to listen to that, Jarg - unless you're no longer on dial-up Lorraine? Yeah, I know...I'm posting for anyone whose interested. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorraine Posted January 9, 2015 Author Share Posted January 9, 2015 Don't think Lorraine will be able to listen to that, Jarg - unless you're no longer on dial-up Lorraine?Still on dial up, and it's worse than ever! No. Can't listen to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toymaker Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 (edited) Can someone put on their headphones and listen to Subdivisions? I can't tell if that is a guitar on the right side at the beginning or part of the keyboards. The guitar comes in with the drums.Yup, playing the same F# power chord, or whatever - matches the keyboard riff, just more distorted/chorussy (or maybe that's a "phaser"). For reference, Hemispheres also starts with an F# chord, but I think that one's called a suspended chord, or something like that. Edited January 9, 2015 by toymaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JARG Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Can someone put on their headphones and listen to Subdivisions? I can't tell if that is a guitar on the right side at the beginning or part of the keyboards. The guitar comes in with the drums.Yup, playing the same F# power chord, or whatever - matches the keyboard riff, just more distorted/chorussy (or maybe that's a "phaser"). It's either heavily chorused or flanged, maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMCXII Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 I used to play guitar and my father played bass Mama played fiddle..? Lol ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas7 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Someone, somewhere, a long time ago said the sign that a guitarist had written something legendary was if people could sing your solo. Alex has a catalog of solos that fit into that category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xanadu Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 As a guitar student, I would always want my teacher to work out Rush songs with me, and let's just say that it would take him longer to figure out the exact chords Alex was playing than virtually anything else I'd ask to learn, and that he uses a lot of "inverted" chords.Welcome to TRF! Thanks! I am really enjoying it so far. :ebert: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas7 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Xanadu, years ago I asked a guitar teacher to teach me Freewill, what he replied is unprintable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xanadu Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Xanadu, years ago I asked a guitar teacher to teach me Freewill, what he replied is unprintable. Ha, I believe it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas7 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 The difficult thing with Alex's solos is that he doesn't play in boxes. Most guitarists play in boxes in whatever key the song is in, example is Jimmy Page, blues scales or pentatonic scales. Another example is Dave Gilmour, I don't know note for note the solo but I can find the key and play the scale and eventually figure out the solo. But Alex, from Permanent Waves onwards is playing incredible, atonal stuff that sounds like Stephan Grapelli. My favourite is that burst of lead in the third part of Natural Science. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorraine Posted January 9, 2015 Author Share Posted January 9, 2015 But Alex, from Permanent Waves onwards is playing incredible, atonal stuff ...Tas, what do you mean by "atonal stuff"? My favourite is that burst of lead in the third part of Natural Science.Can you listen to the song and give me the time so that I can know what you are specifically referring to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toymaker Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 The second La Villa solo is pretty cool and messed up - Lifeson reinforces, with his body, how bizarre and manic that thing is when he plays it live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadianice Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Alex is a god, check out Andy Powell from Wishbone Ash, a close second, the man is brilliant!!!!!Those early Ash albums with Andy Powell and Ted Turner were great.Argus is the album to get.Once they got to the middle of the 70s it's bit hit or miss.Andy's still running the Ash but it's very blues based and far away from what Rush are about. But ,yes, Mr Powell is a great guitarist Please check out Elegant Stealth (2011) fantastic album and Andy,s playing is superb! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleMoon Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 The second La Villa solo is pretty cool and messed up - Lifeson reinforces, with his body, how bizarre and manic that thing is when he plays it live. I love the faces he makes when he plays that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas7 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Atonal: marked by avoidance of traditional musical tonality; especially : organized without reference to key or tonal center and using the tones of the chromatic scale impartially. Example; solo in Tom Sawyer, first atonal solo I recognized is in Something by The Beatles.6:30 in Natural Science Lorraine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleMoon Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Atonal: marked by avoidance of traditional musical tonality; especially : organized without reference to key or tonal center and using the tones of the chromatic scale impartially. Example; solo in Tom Sawyer, first atonal solo I recognized is in Something by The Beatles.6:30 in Natural Science Lorraine. Somehow I doubt this explanation is going to help her understand what it is. I know what atonal means, and this didn't make sense to me. It is a hard thing to explain. Easy to recognize when you hear it but hard to put into words. I guess if I had to explain it myself is that he doesn't play what you expect to hear. His phrasing and the notes he chooses are not typical for what a guitarist would generally choose. It's one of the first things I noticed when I started listening to them. He really plays outside of the box of what a typical rock guitarist would do. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas7 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Yes Eaglemoon then you realize how uninspiring and predictable guitarists such as Richie Sambora and Slash are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xanadu Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Atonal: marked by avoidance of traditional musical tonality; especially : organized without reference to key or tonal center and using the tones of the chromatic scale impartially. Example; solo in Tom Sawyer, first atonal solo I recognized is in Something by The Beatles.6:30 in Natural Science Lorraine. Somehow I doubt this explanation is going to help her understand what it is. I know what atonal means, and this didn't make sense to me. It is a hard thing to explain. Easy to recognize when you hear it but hard to put into words. I guess if I had to explain it myself is that he doesn't play what you expect to hear. His phrasing and the notes he chooses are not typical for what a guitarist would generally choose. It's one of the first things I noticed when I started listening to them. He really plays outside of the box of what a typical rock guitarist would do. My guitar teacher has said that he will add a note here and there that is outside of the scale he is playing. Maybe that's what you mean? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JARG Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 (edited) Atonal: marked by avoidance of traditional musical tonality; especially : organized without reference to key or tonal center and using the tones of the chromatic scale impartially. Example; solo in Tom Sawyer, first atonal solo I recognized is in Something by The Beatles.6:30 in Natural Science Lorraine. Somehow I doubt this explanation is going to help her understand what it is. I know what atonal means, and this didn't make sense to me. It is a hard thing to explain. Easy to recognize when you hear it but hard to put into words. I guess if I had to explain it myself is that he doesn't play what you expect to hear. His phrasing and the notes he chooses are not typical for what a guitarist would generally choose. It's one of the first things I noticed when I started listening to them. He really plays outside of the box of what a typical rock guitarist would do. My guitar teacher has said that he will add a note here and there that is outside of the scale he is playing. Maybe that's what you mean? That's closer to what Alex does, for sure. Most of the notes in most of Alex's solos can be mapped to a given scale, but he'll sometimes add out-of-scale notes for tension/expression. Edited January 10, 2015 by JARG 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleMoon Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Yes Eaglemoon then you realize how uninspiring and predictable guitarists such as Richie Sambora and Slash are. Are you being serious or sarcastic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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