Shorter more focused albums

[An Enemy Without]

Get a room.

[Lerxster]

The one consensus seems to be that just about everyone would be okay hacking off Tai Shan and High water from HYF.

 

a lot of people have objected to this line. it should probably more accurately read, "The one consensus seems to be that just about everyone WHO ACTUALLY ENJOYS GOOD MUSIC would be okay hacking off Tai Shan and High water from HYF. ;)

Boring. Why is it that you can rip stuff (and hide under the umbrella of "being controversial" or whatever the hell you want to call it) but when someone rips something you like, you have a hissy fit? Explain that to me once and for all. And for the record: imho, Tai Shan is "ok" at best and High Water is good but nothing spectacular.

 

Didn't think I was having a hissy fit. Just expressing my distaste for Tai Shan and High Water in what to me was a humorous way. Obviously, YMMV. ;)

 

And FWIW, the rest of HYF is stellar.

Oh, you misunderstood. You weren't having a hissy fit HERE. You're great at showing your dislike for something and tearing it to shit. But when someone shows THEIR dislike for something you like THEN you have your hissy fit. I don't know what "YMMV" and "FWIW" mean. But I get that you like HYF a lot.

how's your convo with the troll going.

 

http://www.therushfo...ks/page__st__20

 

His Twilight thread says it all. He'll run rampant trolling the board, but when his love of Twilight is slammed he runs to papa 73 in tears. Little boy troll. I don't even think he's married as he claims. His rushgoober personna here is about lies, douchery, hate of what he doesn't understand and love of self at the expense of others

 

Good luck with your convo tho. :cheers:

 

I love you too, Lerxster!

 

Like young Anakin Skywalker, you use to seem like a good dude. I've seen old threads resurrected that showed that. But like Anakin, you turned to the dark side and dedicated your time here to trolling to become the malignant narcissist you are today- no Rush pun intended.

 

Well, maybe, but only because ot fits. Self love is the only love you exhibit on this board.

 

You're welcome to perceive it that way if you need to.

 

Still love you bro, regardless! :cheers:

It's not perception, it's your actual posts- here in black and white. The way you conduct yourself on this board. The way you revel in bringing discomfort to others. You love me? What, are you trying to soften me up? Sorry, not buying it. Or maybe, not falling for it, Mr.Good Ruse First.

 

If people get discomfort because of one person's musical opinions, even if that person is being incessant about it, they may want to recondiser their lives. ;)

 

Uh oh, I tried that line before, or some derivation of it, and was told it was a typical troll response. Oh well. It's STILL only music.

 

Anyway, think what you want that makes you happy. It's all good. :D

 

 

;)

Ahh, the real cold clueless goober is back. The troll with the gaping hole in his soul. Music means so much to some people. Rush music is so huge in so many peoples lives. It's not just "STILL only music".

 

I would be much happier if you weren't such an asshole- trust me. ;)

 

The funny (or sad) thing about all of this is that NONE of any of this changes the fact that VT, T4E, RTB and Presto suck. Ah, if only attcking those who point this out made the albums suddenly great. Alas, it does not. ;)

 

If my opinions and about a few Rush albums really bother you enough to think I'm an asshole, not much I can do there. I sure love those other 15 albums, but having those opinions are pretty popular so expressing that doesn't seem to get much reaction at all. Be cool or be cast out.

 

And it really is only music, and it really is only opinions. This is why I steer clear of political discussions these days. People get all bent out of shape, but that's stuff that dramatically effects people's lives. I mean I love Rush, they're my favorite band and all... but it's not a religion, it's just a great band.

You can hate all the albums you want and state those opinions. It's when you continously and gleefully ram it down TRF's collective throat like a child that you cross the line from opinionated to asshole troll.

 

You'll never understand that concept. You'll never understand how strongly music can mean to folks- that Rush's music has actually saved lives, whether Rush know it or not. You don't seem to understand basic concepts. You just care about yourself and your jollies. Cold clueless troll who pretends to embrace peace and love, but is really more about about conflict and hate.

 

Be cool or be cast out? Again with that? Clueless!

[Lerxster]

Get a room.

Guffaw.

 

Now that that's out of the way, I would like to like rushgoober. He can be hilarious. It's the relentless hammering of VT most of all.

 

I feel like, IMO, we'd still have some of the awesome regular members that have left if they didn't have to wade through all of his droppings. Also, VT is Rush's most personal album. It's pure raw emotion. Most of the songs are built up from the demos, if not all. It's very personal. And the relentless hammering seems like a personal insult to Rush, to me. His most famous comment being, VT is an aural abortion.

 

I happen to love Rush, and VT is a bit personal to me since my father died July 12, 2002, two days before my VT Rush show. I ended up going, with two friends, and I had a personal Rush experience at that show so I have a certain affinity for Vapor Trails.

 

Anyhoo, glad this is all over. :)

 

:hail: :rush:

[rushgoober]

Anyway, you're entitled to your myopic view of me. It is what it is and whatever, etc.

[ucsteve667]

The one consensus seems to be that just about everyone would be okay hacking off Tai Shan and High water from HYF.

 

a lot of people have objected to this line. it should probably more accurately read, "The one consensus seems to be that just about everyone WHO ACTUALLY ENJOYS GOOD MUSIC would be okay hacking off Tai Shan and High water from HYF. ;)

Boring. Why is it that you can rip stuff (and hide under the umbrella of "being controversial" or whatever the hell you want to call it) but when someone rips something you like, you have a hissy fit? Explain that to me once and for all. And for the record: imho, Tai Shan is "ok" at best and High Water is good but nothing spectacular.

 

Didn't think I was having a hissy fit. Just expressing my distaste for Tai Shan and High Water in what to me was a humorous way. Obviously, YMMV. ;)

 

And FWIW, the rest of HYF is stellar.

Oh, you misunderstood. You weren't having a hissy fit HERE. You're great at showing your dislike for something and tearing it to shit. But when someone shows THEIR dislike for something you like THEN you have your hissy fit. I don't know what "YMMV" and "FWIW" mean. But I get that you like HYF a lot.

how's your convo with the troll going.

 

http://www.therushfo...ks/page__st__20

 

His Twilight thread says it all. He'll run rampant trolling the board, but when his love of Twilight is slammed he runs to papa 73 in tears. Little boy troll. I don't even think he's married as he claims. His rushgoober personna here is about lies, douchery, hate of what he doesn't understand and love of self at the expense of others

 

Good luck with your convo tho. :cheers:

 

I love you too, Lerxster!

 

Like young Anakin Skywalker, you use to seem like a good dude. I've seen old threads resurrected that showed that. But like Anakin, you turned to the dark side and dedicated your time here to trolling to become the malignant narcissist you are today- no Rush pun intended.

 

Well, maybe, but only because ot fits. Self love is the only love you exhibit on this board.

 

You're welcome to perceive it that way if you need to.

 

Still love you bro, regardless! :cheers:

It's not perception, it's your actual posts- here in black and white. The way you conduct yourself on this board. The way you revel in bringing discomfort to others. You love me? What, are you trying to soften me up? Sorry, not buying it. Or maybe, not falling for it, Mr.Good Ruse First.

 

If people get discomfort because of one person's musical opinions, even if that person is being incessant about it, they may want to recondiser their lives. ;)

 

Uh oh, I tried that line before, or some derivation of it, and was told it was a typical troll response. Oh well. It's STILL only music.

 

Anyway, think what you want that makes you happy. It's all good. :D

 

 

;)

Ahh, the real cold clueless goober is back. The troll with the gaping hole in his soul. Music means so much to some people. Rush music is so huge in so many peoples lives. It's not just "STILL only music".

 

I would be much happier if you weren't such an asshole- trust me. ;)

 

The funny (or sad) thing about all of this is that NONE of any of this changes the fact that VT, T4E, RTB and Presto suck. Ah, if only attcking those who point this out made the albums suddenly great. Alas, it does not. ;)

 

Goobs aint as bad as he likes to act, Ive had him on MY SHOW for extended conversations. Although I do worry he will indoctrinate his new cubs to hate some great music because the albums suffer from what I call Cheap Trick Syndrome(those first few albums from them really don't come across well on record, but have some really really great live songs)

[Spindrift82]

No, I completely disagree. I think the longer album lengths led to more great Rush songs being released.

[JohnnyBlaze]

No, I completely disagree. I think the longer album lengths led to more great Rush songs being released.

Yup, that's what I was suggesting a few pages back

[JohnnyBlaze]

The one consensus seems to be that just about everyone would be okay hacking off Tai Shan and High water from HYF.

 

a lot of people have objected to this line. it should probably more accurately read, "The one consensus seems to be that just about everyone WHO ACTUALLY ENJOYS GOOD MUSIC would be okay hacking off Tai Shan and High water from HYF. ;)

Boring. Why is it that you can rip stuff (and hide under the umbrella of "being controversial" or whatever the hell you want to call it) but when someone rips something you like, you have a hissy fit? Explain that to me once and for all. And for the record: imho, Tai Shan is "ok" at best and High Water is good but nothing spectacular.

 

Didn't think I was having a hissy fit. Just expressing my distaste for Tai Shan and High Water in what to me was a humorous way. Obviously, YMMV. ;)

 

And FWIW, the rest of HYF is stellar.

Oh, you misunderstood. You weren't having a hissy fit HERE. You're great at showing your dislike for something and tearing it to shit. But when someone shows THEIR dislike for something you like THEN you have your hissy fit. I don't know what "YMMV" and "FWIW" mean. But I get that you like HYF a lot.

how's your convo with the troll going.

 

http://www.therushfo...ks/page__st__20

 

His Twilight thread says it all. He'll run rampant trolling the board, but when his love of Twilight is slammed he runs to papa 73 in tears. Little boy troll. I don't even think he's married as he claims. His rushgoober personna here is about lies, douchery, hate of what he doesn't understand and love of self at the expense of others

 

Good luck with your convo tho. :cheers:

Nope, it's hopeless to continue. The opinion didn't bother me. Many people dislike VT, Tai Shan, High Water, etc. It's nothing new. But the arrogance glossed over with supposed humor coupled with hypocrisy is like mosquitoes at a barbecue....nothing that causes pain or stress, but f**k it can be annoying at times

[rushgoober]

No, I completely disagree. I think the longer album lengths led to more great Rush songs being released.

Yup, that's what I was suggesting a few pages back

 

Perhaps, but I think the fact that for whatever reasons the guys think they need to come up with upwards of 70 minutes of music makes making a new album all the more daunting, and henceforth we have a LOT less albums. I'm not saying if they were making 40 minute classics still that they'd really make them more often for reasons that have already been abundantly stated, but it is worth considering that longer albums does not necessarily mean more Rush music.

[rushgoober]

The one consensus seems to be that just about everyone would be okay hacking off Tai Shan and High water from HYF.

 

a lot of people have objected to this line. it should probably more accurately read, "The one consensus seems to be that just about everyone WHO ACTUALLY ENJOYS GOOD MUSIC would be okay hacking off Tai Shan and High water from HYF. ;)

Boring. Why is it that you can rip stuff (and hide under the umbrella of "being controversial" or whatever the hell you want to call it) but when someone rips something you like, you have a hissy fit? Explain that to me once and for all. And for the record: imho, Tai Shan is "ok" at best and High Water is good but nothing spectacular.

 

Didn't think I was having a hissy fit. Just expressing my distaste for Tai Shan and High Water in what to me was a humorous way. Obviously, YMMV. ;)

 

And FWIW, the rest of HYF is stellar.

Oh, you misunderstood. You weren't having a hissy fit HERE. You're great at showing your dislike for something and tearing it to shit. But when someone shows THEIR dislike for something you like THEN you have your hissy fit. I don't know what "YMMV" and "FWIW" mean. But I get that you like HYF a lot.

how's your convo with the troll going.

 

http://www.therushfo...ks/page__st__20

 

His Twilight thread says it all. He'll run rampant trolling the board, but when his love of Twilight is slammed he runs to papa 73 in tears. Little boy troll. I don't even think he's married as he claims. His rushgoober personna here is about lies, douchery, hate of what he doesn't understand and love of self at the expense of others

 

Good luck with your convo tho. :cheers:

Nope, it's hopeless to continue. The opinion didn't bother me. Many people dislike VT, Tai Shan, High Water, etc. It's nothing new. But the arrogance glossed over with supposed humor coupled with hypocrisy is like mosquitoes at a barbecue....nothing that causes pain or stress, but f**k it can be annoying at times

 

"arrogance glossed over with supposed humor coupled with hypocrisy" - wow, that's actually pretty poetic sounding :P

[losingit2k]

I think the longer album lengths led to more great Rush songs being released.

This statement is complete off. The Only Album that can be compared to their late 70's and early 80's endeavor has been Clockwork Angels and that was a shorter album. No Other album can even come close. Yes Every album in that era had good and even some great tracks on them but the entire album would not remain consistent throughout. Even Counterpart, their strongest effort in that era still held tracks like Speed of Love and Everyday Glory which IMO I could just do without. :codger:

[LedRush]

I think the longer album lengths led to more great Rush songs being released.

This statement is complete off. The Only Album that can be compared to their late 70's and early 80's endeavor has been Clockwork Angels and that was a shorter album. No Other album can even come close. Yes Every album in that era had good and even some great tracks on them but the entire album would not remain consistent throughout. Even Counterpart, their strongest effort in that era still held tracks like Speed of Love and Everyday Glory which IMO I could just do without. :codger:

 

But that assumes they'd leave off the songs you didn't think were great. Geddy would have left off Tai Shan, perhaps my favorite off what I consider one of their weakest albums. Many here would leave off Dog Years, Ghost Rider, Heresy, Bravado, or RTB, but I love those songs.

Edited August 3, 2013 by LedRush

[losingit2k]

I think the longer album lengths led to more great Rush songs being released.

This statement is complete off. The Only Album that can be compared to their late 70's and early 80's endeavor has been Clockwork Angels and that was a shorter album. No Other album can even come close. Yes Every album in that era had good and even some great tracks on them but the entire album would not remain consistent throughout. Even Counterpart, their strongest effort in that era still held tracks like Speed of Love and Everyday Glory which IMO I could just do without. :codger:

 

But that assumes they'd leave off the songs you didn't think were great. Geddy would have left off Tai Shan, perhaps my favorite off what I consider one of their weakest albums. Many here would leave off Dog Years, Ghost Rider, Heresy, Bravado, or RTB, but I love those songs.

But the question is: would you have loved them even more if you would have discovered them As unreleased tracks on a compilation or Box Set?

[LedRush]

I think the longer album lengths led to more great Rush songs being released.

This statement is complete off. The Only Album that can be compared to their late 70's and early 80's endeavor has been Clockwork Angels and that was a shorter album. No Other album can even come close. Yes Every album in that era had good and even some great tracks on them but the entire album would not remain consistent throughout. Even Counterpart, their strongest effort in that era still held tracks like Speed of Love and Everyday Glory which IMO I could just do without. :codger:

 

But that assumes they'd leave off the songs you didn't think were great. Geddy would have left off Tai Shan, perhaps my favorite off what I consider one of their weakest albums. Many here would leave off Dog Years, Ghost Rider, Heresy, Bravado, or RTB, but I love those songs.

But the question is: would you have loved them even more if you would have discovered them As unreleased tracks on a compilation or Box Set?

 

I don't know, but I would have loved the albums they released a lot less.

[WavesandWindows]

I think the longer album lengths led to more great Rush songs being released.

This statement is complete off. The Only Album that can be compared to their late 70's and early 80's endeavor has been Clockwork Angels and that was a shorter album. No Other album can even come close. Yes Every album in that era had good and even some great tracks on them but the entire album would not remain consistent throughout. Even Counterpart, their strongest effort in that era still held tracks like Speed of Love and Everyday Glory which IMO I could just do without. :codger:

 

But that assumes they'd leave off the songs you didn't think were great. Geddy would have left off Tai Shan, perhaps my favorite off what I consider one of their weakest albums. Many here would leave off Dog Years, Ghost Rider, Heresy, Bravado, or RTB, but I love those songs.

 

I agree with you there, LedRush. It assumes that the tracks we don't like are left off. If this had have been Rush's focus in the recoding process of CA, who's to say that we would have Headlong Flight, or The Garden? Just because someone doesn't like the song is not a reason to have a shortened "more focused" album. To illustrate my point, I'll let you guys go to war over my list of songs by album.

 

RUSH:

Finding My Way

Here Again

What You're Doing

In The Mood

Before & After

Working Man

 

FLY BY NIGHT:

Anthem

Beneath, Between & Behind

By-Tor & The Snow Dog

Fly By Night

In The End

 

CARESS OF STEEL:

Bastille Day

Lakeside Park

Necromancer

Fountain of Lambeth

 

2112:

2112

A Passage To Bangkok

Twilight Zone

Tears

Something For Nothing

 

FAREWELL TO KINGS:

A Farewell to Kings

Xanadu

Closer to the Heart

Cinderella Man

Cygnus X-1

 

HEMISPHERES:

Hemispheres

Circumstances

Trees

La Villa Strangiato

 

PERMANENT WAVES:

The Spirit of Radio

Freewill

Jacob's Ladder

Natural Science

 

MOVING PICTURES;

Tom Sawyer

Red Barchetta

YYZ

Limelight

Camera Eye

Witch Hunt

Vital Signs

 

SIGNALS:

Subdivisions

Analog Kid

Chemistry

The Weapon

New World Man

Losing It

Countdown

 

GRACE UNDER PRESSURE:

Distant Early Warning

Red Sector A

Enemy Wothkn

Body Electric

Between The Wheels

 

POWER WINDOWS:

Big Money

Grand Designs

Manhattan Project

Marathon

Territories

 

HOLD YOUR FIRE:

Force Ten

Time Stand Still

Prime Mover

Lock And Key

Mission

Turn The Page

Tai Shan

High Water

 

PRESTO:

Show Don't Tell

Chain Lightning

The Pass

Presto

 

ROLL THE BONES:

Dreamline

Bravado

Where's My Thing

Ghost Of A Chance

 

COUNTERPARTS:

Animate

Stick It Out

Nobody's Hero

Between Sun & Moon

Leave That Thing Alone

 

TEST FOR ECHO:

Test For Echo

Driven

Half The World

Resist

Limbo

Carve Away The Stone

 

VAPOUR TRAILS:

One Little Victory

Ceiling Unlimited

Ghost Rider

Peaceable Kingdom

Vapour Trails

Secret Touch

Earthshine

Freeze

 

SNAKES AND ARROWS:

Far Cry

Armour And Sword

Larger Bowl

Spindrift

Main Monkey Business

Way The Wind Blows

Hope

Faithless

MalNar

 

CLOCKWORK ANGELS:

Caravan

BU2B

Clockwork Angels

Anarchist

Carnies

Halo Effect

Seven Cities

Wreckers

Headlong Flight

Wish Them Well

Garden

 

 

 

[WavesandWindows]

I am also well aware I just made this all about me!

[losingit2k]

I think the longer album lengths led to more great Rush songs being released.

This statement is complete off. The Only Album that can be compared to their late 70's and early 80's endeavor has been Clockwork Angels and that was a shorter album. No Other album can even come close. Yes Every album in that era had good and even some great tracks on them but the entire album would not remain consistent throughout. Even Counterpart, their strongest effort in that era still held tracks like Speed of Love and Everyday Glory which IMO I could just do without. :codger:

 

But that assumes they'd leave off the songs you didn't think were great. Geddy would have left off Tai Shan, perhaps my favorite off what I consider one of their weakest albums. Many here would leave off Dog Years, Ghost Rider, Heresy, Bravado, or RTB, but I love those songs.

 

I agree with you there, LedRush. It assumes that the tracks we don't like are left off. If this had have been Rush's focus in the recoding process of CA, who's to say that we would have Headlong Flight, or The Garden? Just because someone doesn't like the song is not a reason to have a shortened "more focused" album. To illustrate my point, I'll let you guys go to war over my list of songs by album.

 

RUSH:

Finding My Way

Here Again

What You're Doing

In The Mood

Before & After

Working Man

 

FLY BY NIGHT:

Anthem

Beneath, Between & Behind

By-Tor & The Snow Dog

Fly By Night

In The End

 

CARESS OF STEEL:

Bastille Day

Lakeside Park

Necromancer

Fountain of Lambeth

 

2112:

2112

A Passage To Bangkok

Twilight Zone

Tears

Something For Nothing

 

FAREWELL TO KINGS:

A Farewell to Kings

Xanadu

Closer to the Heart

Cinderella Man

Cygnus X-1

 

HEMISPHERES:

Hemispheres

Circumstances

Trees

La Villa Strangiato

 

PERMANENT WAVES:

The Spirit of Radio

Freewill

Jacob's Ladder

Natural Science

 

MOVING PICTURES;

Tom Sawyer

Red Barchetta

YYZ

Limelight

Camera Eye

Witch Hunt

Vital Signs

 

SIGNALS:

Subdivisions

Analog Kid

Chemistry

The Weapon

New World Man

Losing It

Countdown

 

GRACE UNDER PRESSURE:

Distant Early Warning

Red Sector A

Enemy Wothkn

Body Electric

Between The Wheels

 

POWER WINDOWS:

Big Money

Grand Designs

Manhattan Project

Marathon

Territories

 

HOLD YOUR FIRE:

Force Ten

Time Stand Still

Prime Mover

Lock And Key

Mission

Turn The Page

Tai Shan

High Water

 

PRESTO:

Show Don't Tell

Chain Lightning

The Pass

Presto

 

ROLL THE BONES:

Dreamline

Bravado

Where's My Thing

Ghost Of A Chance

 

COUNTERPARTS:

Animate

Stick It Out

Nobody's Hero

Between Sun & Moon

Leave That Thing Alone

 

TEST FOR ECHO:

Test For Echo

Driven

Half The World

Resist

Limbo

Carve Away The Stone

 

VAPOUR TRAILS:

One Little Victory

Ceiling Unlimited

Ghost Rider

Peaceable Kingdom

Vapour Trails

Secret Touch

Earthshine

Freeze

 

SNAKES AND ARROWS:

Far Cry

Armour And Sword

Larger Bowl

Spindrift

Main Monkey Business

Way The Wind Blows

Hope

Faithless

MalNar

 

CLOCKWORK ANGELS:

Caravan

BU2B

Clockwork Angels

Anarchist

Carnies

Halo Effect

Seven Cities

Wreckers

Headlong Flight

Wish Them Well

Garden

If these are the songs you'd leave in I wouldn't have a problem with it. Well except for GUP, HYF and Counterparts.

Edited August 3, 2013 by losingit2k

[LedRush]

I think the longer album lengths led to more great Rush songs being released.

This statement is complete off. The Only Album that can be compared to their late 70's and early 80's endeavor has been Clockwork Angels and that was a shorter album. No Other album can even come close. Yes Every album in that era had good and even some great tracks on them but the entire album would not remain consistent throughout. Even Counterpart, their strongest effort in that era still held tracks like Speed of Love and Everyday Glory which IMO I could just do without. :codger:

 

But that assumes they'd leave off the songs you didn't think were great. Geddy would have left off Tai Shan, perhaps my favorite off what I consider one of their weakest albums. Many here would leave off Dog Years, Ghost Rider, Heresy, Bravado, or RTB, but I love those songs.

 

I agree with you there, LedRush. It assumes that the tracks we don't like are left off. If this had have been Rush's focus in the recoding process of CA, who's to say that we would have Headlong Flight, or The Garden? Just because someone doesn't like the song is not a reason to have a shortened "more focused" album. To illustrate my point, I'll let you guys go to war over my list of songs by album.

 

RUSH:

Finding My Way

Here Again

What You're Doing

In The Mood

Before & After

Working Man

 

FLY BY NIGHT:

Anthem

Beneath, Between & Behind

By-Tor & The Snow Dog

Fly By Night

In The End

 

CARESS OF STEEL:

Bastille Day

Lakeside Park

Necromancer

Fountain of Lambeth

 

2112:

2112

A Passage To Bangkok

Twilight Zone

Tears

Something For Nothing

 

FAREWELL TO KINGS:

A Farewell to Kings

Xanadu

Closer to the Heart

Cinderella Man

Cygnus X-1

 

HEMISPHERES:

Hemispheres

Circumstances

Trees

La Villa Strangiato

 

PERMANENT WAVES:

The Spirit of Radio

Freewill

Jacob's Ladder

Natural Science

 

MOVING PICTURES;

Tom Sawyer

Red Barchetta

YYZ

Limelight

Camera Eye

Witch Hunt

Vital Signs

 

SIGNALS:

Subdivisions

Analog Kid

Chemistry

The Weapon

New World Man

Losing It

Countdown

 

GRACE UNDER PRESSURE:

Distant Early Warning

Red Sector A

Enemy Wothkn

Body Electric

Between The Wheels

 

POWER WINDOWS:

Big Money

Grand Designs

Manhattan Project

Marathon

Territories

 

HOLD YOUR FIRE:

Force Ten

Time Stand Still

Prime Mover

Lock And Key

Mission

Turn The Page

Tai Shan

High Water

 

PRESTO:

Show Don't Tell

Chain Lightning

The Pass

Presto

 

ROLL THE BONES:

Dreamline

Bravado

Where's My Thing

Ghost Of A Chance

 

COUNTERPARTS:

Animate

Stick It Out

Nobody's Hero

Between Sun & Moon

Leave That Thing Alone

 

TEST FOR ECHO:

Test For Echo

Driven

Half The World

Resist

Limbo

Carve Away The Stone

 

VAPOUR TRAILS:

One Little Victory

Ceiling Unlimited

Ghost Rider

Peaceable Kingdom

Vapour Trails

Secret Touch

Earthshine

Freeze

 

SNAKES AND ARROWS:

Far Cry

Armour And Sword

Larger Bowl

Spindrift

Main Monkey Business

Way The Wind Blows

Hope

Faithless

MalNar

 

CLOCKWORK ANGELS:

Caravan

BU2B

Clockwork Angels

Anarchist

Carnies

Halo Effect

Seven Cities

Wreckers

Headlong Flight

Wish Them Well

Garden

 

No Entres Nous? No thank you.

[WavesandWindows]

My point exactly, if that was what Rush had finished up with, and then you found Entre Nous, you would have a fit. What would you leave in that I took out on GUP, HYF and CP, LosingIt?

[rushgoober]

I think the longer album lengths led to more great Rush songs being released.

This statement is complete off. The Only Album that can be compared to their late 70's and early 80's endeavor has been Clockwork Angels and that was a shorter album. No Other album can even come close. Yes Every album in that era had good and even some great tracks on them but the entire album would not remain consistent throughout. Even Counterpart, their strongest effort in that era still held tracks like Speed of Love and Everyday Glory which IMO I could just do without. :codger:

 

But that assumes they'd leave off the songs you didn't think were great. Geddy would have left off Tai Shan, perhaps my favorite off what I consider one of their weakest albums. Many here would leave off Dog Years, Ghost Rider, Heresy, Bravado, or RTB, but I love those songs.

 

I've heard this philosophy many times. The band should never have left off certain songs because what if they left off the songs I liked and for every song I don't like there's SOMEONE who likes it, so they should all stay on and we can pick and choose what works for us and the rest is for someone else and isn't it wonderful we're all one happy family of Rush fans.

 

The only problem there is that gives them permission to make songs like Dog Years and Virtuality and Face Up and Bravest Face and it's all ok because hell it's got value to someone somewhere. The Spice Girls has value to someone somewhere too, but it doesn't make it great music.

 

Obviously subjective opinion will always exist, but I think what the thrust of this thread is, and that what most people will agree with to some extent, is that there was a period where Rush were making really classic nearly flawless albums for a long time. Then there was a period where the quality was a lot more inconsistent. I think what everyone wants is more consistently great material. Of course each person's definition of what is quality and what is consistent will vary, but it is what most people seem to want.

[tas7]

I used to hate Face Up but it has grown on me.

[GeddysMullet]

I think the longer album lengths led to more great Rush songs being released.

This statement is complete off. The Only Album that can be compared to their late 70's and early 80's endeavor has been Clockwork Angels and that was a shorter album. No Other album can even come close. Yes Every album in that era had good and even some great tracks on them but the entire album would not remain consistent throughout. Even Counterpart, their strongest effort in that era still held tracks like Speed of Love and Everyday Glory which IMO I could just do without. :codger:

 

But that assumes they'd leave off the songs you didn't think were great. Geddy would have left off Tai Shan, perhaps my favorite off what I consider one of their weakest albums. Many here would leave off Dog Years, Ghost Rider, Heresy, Bravado, or RTB, but I love those songs.

But the question is: would you have loved them even more if you would have discovered them As unreleased tracks on a compilation or Box Set?

 

This question assumes that all the same songs would have been completed and would have existed to go into such a compilation or boxed set, and that is a ridiculous assumption given that the band has stated many times that they don't save early versions of songs that they don't complete for album release.

[WavesandWindows]

I think the longer album lengths led to more great Rush songs being released.

This statement is complete off. The Only Album that can be compared to their late 70's and early 80's endeavor has been Clockwork Angels and that was a shorter album. No Other album can even come close. Yes Every album in that era had good and even some great tracks on them but the entire album would not remain consistent throughout. Even Counterpart, their strongest effort in that era still held tracks like Speed of Love and Everyday Glory which IMO I could just do without. :codger:

 

But that assumes they'd leave off the songs you didn't think were great. Geddy would have left off Tai Shan, perhaps my favorite off what I consider one of their weakest albums. Many here would leave off Dog Years, Ghost Rider, Heresy, Bravado, or RTB, but I love those songs.

But the question is: would you have loved them even more if you would have discovered them As unreleased tracks on a compilation or Box Set?

 

This question assumes that all the same songs would have been completed and would have existed to go into such a compilation or boxed set, and that is a ridiculous assumption given that the band has stated many times that they don't save early versions of songs that they don't complete for album release.

 

Which is why we are yet to see Garden Road or Fancy Dancer from the Rush recording sessions surface

[calirush]

If Rush had followed the philosophy of "less is more" we might not have received the entirety of Clockwork Angels. With the exception of BU2B2 (which isn't a song anyway) I enjoy every track of the recording. I'd rather just skip over a couple of lesser songs than risk losing a gem.

[rushgoober]

If Rush had followed the philosophy of "less is more" we might not have received the entirety of Clockwork Angels. With the exception of BU2B2 (which isn't a song anyway) I enjoy every track of the recording. I'd rather just skip over a couple of lesser songs than risk losing a gem.

 

I'd rather them know what songs were gems and what weren't and just leave off the bad ones, but oh well.

 

Then of course people will say, yes, but so many of the tracks I think are bad ones they love so they shouldn't leave any off yadda, yadda, yadda.

 

All I know is that from 1974-1987, outside of a TINY amount of tracks that didn't work, they were virtually flawless. And then they weren't anymore. Sure, there are people who don't like some prime period Rush, but hearing, for example, someone really putting down their 1976-1982 material is pretty infrequent, and 1978-1981 - pretty rare indeed. Rush really were making top notch material for a long time. Either they lost it occasionally after that, or they lost their sound judgment of what should and shouldn't be released. Regardless, they've put out tons of great music, and even in their latter more flawed years they've had some gems (CP, S&A, CA) so I'm not complaining.