An Enemy Without Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 Get a room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lerxster Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 The one consensus seems to be that just about everyone would be okay hacking off Tai Shan and High water from HYF. a lot of people have objected to this line. it should probably more accurately read, "The one consensus seems to be that just about everyone WHO ACTUALLY ENJOYS GOOD MUSIC would be okay hacking off Tai Shan and High water from HYF. ;)Boring. Why is it that you can rip stuff (and hide under the umbrella of "being controversial" or whatever the hell you want to call it) but when someone rips something you like, you have a hissy fit? Explain that to me once and for all. And for the record: imho, Tai Shan is "ok" at best and High Water is good but nothing spectacular. Didn't think I was having a hissy fit. Just expressing my distaste for Tai Shan and High Water in what to me was a humorous way. Obviously, YMMV. ;) And FWIW, the rest of HYF is stellar. Oh, you misunderstood. You weren't having a hissy fit HERE. You're great at showing your dislike for something and tearing it to shit. But when someone shows THEIR dislike for something you like THEN you have your hissy fit. I don't know what "YMMV" and "FWIW" mean. But I get that you like HYF a lot. how's your convo with the troll going. http://www.therushfo...ks/page__st__20 His Twilight thread says it all. He'll run rampant trolling the board, but when his love of Twilight is slammed he runs to papa 73 in tears. Little boy troll. I don't even think he's married as he claims. His rushgoober personna here is about lies, douchery, hate of what he doesn't understand and love of self at the expense of others Good luck with your convo tho. :cheers: I love you too, Lerxster! Like young Anakin Skywalker, you use to seem like a good dude. I've seen old threads resurrected that showed that. But like Anakin, you turned to the dark side and dedicated your time here to trolling to become the malignant narcissist you are today- no Rush pun intended. Well, maybe, but only because ot fits. Self love is the only love you exhibit on this board. You're welcome to perceive it that way if you need to. Still love you bro, regardless! :cheers:It's not perception, it's your actual posts- here in black and white. The way you conduct yourself on this board. The way you revel in bringing discomfort to others. You love me? What, are you trying to soften me up? Sorry, not buying it. Or maybe, not falling for it, Mr.Good Ruse First. If people get discomfort because of one person's musical opinions, even if that person is being incessant about it, they may want to recondiser their lives. ;) Uh oh, I tried that line before, or some derivation of it, and was told it was a typical troll response. Oh well. It's STILL only music. Anyway, think what you want that makes you happy. It's all good. :D ;)Ahh, the real cold clueless goober is back. The troll with the gaping hole in his soul. Music means so much to some people. Rush music is so huge in so many peoples lives. It's not just "STILL only music". I would be much happier if you weren't such an asshole- trust me. ;) The funny (or sad) thing about all of this is that NONE of any of this changes the fact that VT, T4E, RTB and Presto suck. Ah, if only attcking those who point this out made the albums suddenly great. Alas, it does not. ;) If my opinions and about a few Rush albums really bother you enough to think I'm an asshole, not much I can do there. I sure love those other 15 albums, but having those opinions are pretty popular so expressing that doesn't seem to get much reaction at all. Be cool or be cast out. And it really is only music, and it really is only opinions. This is why I steer clear of political discussions these days. People get all bent out of shape, but that's stuff that dramatically effects people's lives. I mean I love Rush, they're my favorite band and all... but it's not a religion, it's just a great band.You can hate all the albums you want and state those opinions. It's when you continously and gleefully ram it down TRF's collective throat like a child that you cross the line from opinionated to asshole troll. You'll never understand that concept. You'll never understand how strongly music can mean to folks- that Rush's music has actually saved lives, whether Rush know it or not. You don't seem to understand basic concepts. You just care about yourself and your jollies. Cold clueless troll who pretends to embrace peace and love, but is really more about about conflict and hate. Be cool or be cast out? Again with that? Clueless! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lerxster Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 Get a room.Guffaw. Now that that's out of the way, I would like to like rushgoober. He can be hilarious. It's the relentless hammering of VT most of all. I feel like, IMO, we'd still have some of the awesome regular members that have left if they didn't have to wade through all of his droppings. Also, VT is Rush's most personal album. It's pure raw emotion. Most of the songs are built up from the demos, if not all. It's very personal. And the relentless hammering seems like a personal insult to Rush, to me. His most famous comment being, VT is an aural abortion. I happen to love Rush, and VT is a bit personal to me since my father died July 12, 2002, two days before my VT Rush show. I ended up going, with two friends, and I had a personal Rush experience at that show so I have a certain affinity for Vapor Trails. Anyhoo, glad this is all over. :) :hail: :rush: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rushgoober Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 Anyway, you're entitled to your myopic view of me. It is what it is and whatever, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ucsteve667 Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 The one consensus seems to be that just about everyone would be okay hacking off Tai Shan and High water from HYF. a lot of people have objected to this line. it should probably more accurately read, "The one consensus seems to be that just about everyone WHO ACTUALLY ENJOYS GOOD MUSIC would be okay hacking off Tai Shan and High water from HYF. ;)Boring. Why is it that you can rip stuff (and hide under the umbrella of "being controversial" or whatever the hell you want to call it) but when someone rips something you like, you have a hissy fit? Explain that to me once and for all. And for the record: imho, Tai Shan is "ok" at best and High Water is good but nothing spectacular. Didn't think I was having a hissy fit. Just expressing my distaste for Tai Shan and High Water in what to me was a humorous way. Obviously, YMMV. ;) And FWIW, the rest of HYF is stellar. Oh, you misunderstood. You weren't having a hissy fit HERE. You're great at showing your dislike for something and tearing it to shit. But when someone shows THEIR dislike for something you like THEN you have your hissy fit. I don't know what "YMMV" and "FWIW" mean. But I get that you like HYF a lot. how's your convo with the troll going. http://www.therushfo...ks/page__st__20 His Twilight thread says it all. He'll run rampant trolling the board, but when his love of Twilight is slammed he runs to papa 73 in tears. Little boy troll. I don't even think he's married as he claims. His rushgoober personna here is about lies, douchery, hate of what he doesn't understand and love of self at the expense of others Good luck with your convo tho. :cheers: I love you too, Lerxster! Like young Anakin Skywalker, you use to seem like a good dude. I've seen old threads resurrected that showed that. But like Anakin, you turned to the dark side and dedicated your time here to trolling to become the malignant narcissist you are today- no Rush pun intended. Well, maybe, but only because ot fits. Self love is the only love you exhibit on this board. You're welcome to perceive it that way if you need to. Still love you bro, regardless! :cheers:It's not perception, it's your actual posts- here in black and white. The way you conduct yourself on this board. The way you revel in bringing discomfort to others. You love me? What, are you trying to soften me up? Sorry, not buying it. Or maybe, not falling for it, Mr.Good Ruse First. If people get discomfort because of one person's musical opinions, even if that person is being incessant about it, they may want to recondiser their lives. ;) Uh oh, I tried that line before, or some derivation of it, and was told it was a typical troll response. Oh well. It's STILL only music. Anyway, think what you want that makes you happy. It's all good. :D ;)Ahh, the real cold clueless goober is back. The troll with the gaping hole in his soul. Music means so much to some people. Rush music is so huge in so many peoples lives. It's not just "STILL only music". I would be much happier if you weren't such an asshole- trust me. ;) The funny (or sad) thing about all of this is that NONE of any of this changes the fact that VT, T4E, RTB and Presto suck. Ah, if only attcking those who point this out made the albums suddenly great. Alas, it does not. ;) Goobs aint as bad as he likes to act, Ive had him on MY SHOW for extended conversations. Although I do worry he will indoctrinate his new cubs to hate some great music because the albums suffer from what I call Cheap Trick Syndrome(those first few albums from them really don't come across well on record, but have some really really great live songs) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spindrift82 Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 No, I completely disagree. I think the longer album lengths led to more great Rush songs being released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyBlaze Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 No, I completely disagree. I think the longer album lengths led to more great Rush songs being released.Yup, that's what I was suggesting a few pages back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyBlaze Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 The one consensus seems to be that just about everyone would be okay hacking off Tai Shan and High water from HYF. a lot of people have objected to this line. it should probably more accurately read, "The one consensus seems to be that just about everyone WHO ACTUALLY ENJOYS GOOD MUSIC would be okay hacking off Tai Shan and High water from HYF. ;)Boring. Why is it that you can rip stuff (and hide under the umbrella of "being controversial" or whatever the hell you want to call it) but when someone rips something you like, you have a hissy fit? Explain that to me once and for all. And for the record: imho, Tai Shan is "ok" at best and High Water is good but nothing spectacular. Didn't think I was having a hissy fit. Just expressing my distaste for Tai Shan and High Water in what to me was a humorous way. Obviously, YMMV. ;) And FWIW, the rest of HYF is stellar. Oh, you misunderstood. You weren't having a hissy fit HERE. You're great at showing your dislike for something and tearing it to shit. But when someone shows THEIR dislike for something you like THEN you have your hissy fit. I don't know what "YMMV" and "FWIW" mean. But I get that you like HYF a lot. how's your convo with the troll going. http://www.therushfo...ks/page__st__20 His Twilight thread says it all. He'll run rampant trolling the board, but when his love of Twilight is slammed he runs to papa 73 in tears. Little boy troll. I don't even think he's married as he claims. His rushgoober personna here is about lies, douchery, hate of what he doesn't understand and love of self at the expense of others Good luck with your convo tho. :cheers:Nope, it's hopeless to continue. The opinion didn't bother me. Many people dislike VT, Tai Shan, High Water, etc. It's nothing new. But the arrogance glossed over with supposed humor coupled with hypocrisy is like mosquitoes at a barbecue....nothing that causes pain or stress, but f**k it can be annoying at times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rushgoober Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 No, I completely disagree. I think the longer album lengths led to more great Rush songs being released.Yup, that's what I was suggesting a few pages back Perhaps, but I think the fact that for whatever reasons the guys think they need to come up with upwards of 70 minutes of music makes making a new album all the more daunting, and henceforth we have a LOT less albums. I'm not saying if they were making 40 minute classics still that they'd really make them more often for reasons that have already been abundantly stated, but it is worth considering that longer albums does not necessarily mean more Rush music. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rushgoober Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 The one consensus seems to be that just about everyone would be okay hacking off Tai Shan and High water from HYF. a lot of people have objected to this line. it should probably more accurately read, "The one consensus seems to be that just about everyone WHO ACTUALLY ENJOYS GOOD MUSIC would be okay hacking off Tai Shan and High water from HYF. ;)Boring. Why is it that you can rip stuff (and hide under the umbrella of "being controversial" or whatever the hell you want to call it) but when someone rips something you like, you have a hissy fit? Explain that to me once and for all. And for the record: imho, Tai Shan is "ok" at best and High Water is good but nothing spectacular. Didn't think I was having a hissy fit. Just expressing my distaste for Tai Shan and High Water in what to me was a humorous way. Obviously, YMMV. ;) And FWIW, the rest of HYF is stellar. Oh, you misunderstood. You weren't having a hissy fit HERE. You're great at showing your dislike for something and tearing it to shit. But when someone shows THEIR dislike for something you like THEN you have your hissy fit. I don't know what "YMMV" and "FWIW" mean. But I get that you like HYF a lot. how's your convo with the troll going. http://www.therushfo...ks/page__st__20 His Twilight thread says it all. He'll run rampant trolling the board, but when his love of Twilight is slammed he runs to papa 73 in tears. Little boy troll. I don't even think he's married as he claims. His rushgoober personna here is about lies, douchery, hate of what he doesn't understand and love of self at the expense of others Good luck with your convo tho. :cheers:Nope, it's hopeless to continue. The opinion didn't bother me. Many people dislike VT, Tai Shan, High Water, etc. It's nothing new. But the arrogance glossed over with supposed humor coupled with hypocrisy is like mosquitoes at a barbecue....nothing that causes pain or stress, but f**k it can be annoying at times "arrogance glossed over with supposed humor coupled with hypocrisy" - wow, that's actually pretty poetic sounding :P 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
losingit2k Posted August 3, 2013 Author Share Posted August 3, 2013 I think the longer album lengths led to more great Rush songs being released.This statement is complete off. The Only Album that can be compared to their late 70's and early 80's endeavor has been Clockwork Angels and that was a shorter album. No Other album can even come close. Yes Every album in that era had good and even some great tracks on them but the entire album would not remain consistent throughout. Even Counterpart, their strongest effort in that era still held tracks like Speed of Love and Everyday Glory which IMO I could just do without. :codger: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedRush Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 (edited) I think the longer album lengths led to more great Rush songs being released.This statement is complete off. The Only Album that can be compared to their late 70's and early 80's endeavor has been Clockwork Angels and that was a shorter album. No Other album can even come close. Yes Every album in that era had good and even some great tracks on them but the entire album would not remain consistent throughout. Even Counterpart, their strongest effort in that era still held tracks like Speed of Love and Everyday Glory which IMO I could just do without. :codger: But that assumes they'd leave off the songs you didn't think were great. Geddy would have left off Tai Shan, perhaps my favorite off what I consider one of their weakest albums. Many here would leave off Dog Years, Ghost Rider, Heresy, Bravado, or RTB, but I love those songs. Edited August 3, 2013 by LedRush 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
losingit2k Posted August 3, 2013 Author Share Posted August 3, 2013 I think the longer album lengths led to more great Rush songs being released.This statement is complete off. The Only Album that can be compared to their late 70's and early 80's endeavor has been Clockwork Angels and that was a shorter album. No Other album can even come close. Yes Every album in that era had good and even some great tracks on them but the entire album would not remain consistent throughout. Even Counterpart, their strongest effort in that era still held tracks like Speed of Love and Everyday Glory which IMO I could just do without. :codger: But that assumes they'd leave off the songs you didn't think were great. Geddy would have left off Tai Shan, perhaps my favorite off what I consider one of their weakest albums. Many here would leave off Dog Years, Ghost Rider, Heresy, Bravado, or RTB, but I love those songs. But the question is: would you have loved them even more if you would have discovered them As unreleased tracks on a compilation or Box Set? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedRush Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 I think the longer album lengths led to more great Rush songs being released.This statement is complete off. The Only Album that can be compared to their late 70's and early 80's endeavor has been Clockwork Angels and that was a shorter album. No Other album can even come close. Yes Every album in that era had good and even some great tracks on them but the entire album would not remain consistent throughout. Even Counterpart, their strongest effort in that era still held tracks like Speed of Love and Everyday Glory which IMO I could just do without. :codger: But that assumes they'd leave off the songs you didn't think were great. Geddy would have left off Tai Shan, perhaps my favorite off what I consider one of their weakest albums. Many here would leave off Dog Years, Ghost Rider, Heresy, Bravado, or RTB, but I love those songs.But the question is: would you have loved them even more if you would have discovered them As unreleased tracks on a compilation or Box Set? I don't know, but I would have loved the albums they released a lot less. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WavesandWindows Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 I think the longer album lengths led to more great Rush songs being released.This statement is complete off. The Only Album that can be compared to their late 70's and early 80's endeavor has been Clockwork Angels and that was a shorter album. No Other album can even come close. Yes Every album in that era had good and even some great tracks on them but the entire album would not remain consistent throughout. Even Counterpart, their strongest effort in that era still held tracks like Speed of Love and Everyday Glory which IMO I could just do without. :codger: But that assumes they'd leave off the songs you didn't think were great. Geddy would have left off Tai Shan, perhaps my favorite off what I consider one of their weakest albums. Many here would leave off Dog Years, Ghost Rider, Heresy, Bravado, or RTB, but I love those songs. I agree with you there, LedRush. It assumes that the tracks we don't like are left off. If this had have been Rush's focus in the recoding process of CA, who's to say that we would have Headlong Flight, or The Garden? Just because someone doesn't like the song is not a reason to have a shortened "more focused" album. To illustrate my point, I'll let you guys go to war over my list of songs by album. RUSH:Finding My WayHere AgainWhat You're DoingIn The Mood Before & AfterWorking Man FLY BY NIGHT:AnthemBeneath, Between & BehindBy-Tor & The Snow DogFly By NightIn The End CARESS OF STEEL:Bastille DayLakeside ParkNecromancerFountain of Lambeth 2112:2112A Passage To BangkokTwilight ZoneTearsSomething For Nothing FAREWELL TO KINGS:A Farewell to KingsXanaduCloser to the HeartCinderella ManCygnus X-1 HEMISPHERES:HemispheresCircumstancesTreesLa Villa Strangiato PERMANENT WAVES:The Spirit of RadioFreewillJacob's LadderNatural Science MOVING PICTURES;Tom SawyerRed BarchettaYYZ LimelightCamera EyeWitch HuntVital Signs SIGNALS:SubdivisionsAnalog KidChemistryThe WeaponNew World ManLosing ItCountdown GRACE UNDER PRESSURE:Distant Early WarningRed Sector AEnemy WothknBody ElectricBetween The Wheels POWER WINDOWS:Big MoneyGrand Designs Manhattan ProjectMarathonTerritories HOLD YOUR FIRE:Force TenTime Stand StillPrime MoverLock And KeyMissionTurn The PageTai ShanHigh Water PRESTO:Show Don't TellChain LightningThe PassPresto ROLL THE BONES:DreamlineBravadoWhere's My ThingGhost Of A Chance COUNTERPARTS:AnimateStick It OutNobody's HeroBetween Sun & MoonLeave That Thing Alone TEST FOR ECHO:Test For EchoDrivenHalf The WorldResistLimboCarve Away The Stone VAPOUR TRAILS:One Little VictoryCeiling UnlimitedGhost RiderPeaceable KingdomVapour TrailsSecret TouchEarthshineFreeze SNAKES AND ARROWS:Far CryArmour And SwordLarger BowlSpindriftMain Monkey BusinessWay The Wind BlowsHopeFaithlessMalNar CLOCKWORK ANGELS:CaravanBU2BClockwork AngelsAnarchistCarniesHalo EffectSeven CitiesWreckersHeadlong FlightWish Them WellGarden 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WavesandWindows Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 I am also well aware I just made this all about me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
losingit2k Posted August 3, 2013 Author Share Posted August 3, 2013 (edited) I think the longer album lengths led to more great Rush songs being released.This statement is complete off. The Only Album that can be compared to their late 70's and early 80's endeavor has been Clockwork Angels and that was a shorter album. No Other album can even come close. Yes Every album in that era had good and even some great tracks on them but the entire album would not remain consistent throughout. Even Counterpart, their strongest effort in that era still held tracks like Speed of Love and Everyday Glory which IMO I could just do without. :codger: But that assumes they'd leave off the songs you didn't think were great. Geddy would have left off Tai Shan, perhaps my favorite off what I consider one of their weakest albums. Many here would leave off Dog Years, Ghost Rider, Heresy, Bravado, or RTB, but I love those songs. I agree with you there, LedRush. It assumes that the tracks we don't like are left off. If this had have been Rush's focus in the recoding process of CA, who's to say that we would have Headlong Flight, or The Garden? Just because someone doesn't like the song is not a reason to have a shortened "more focused" album. To illustrate my point, I'll let you guys go to war over my list of songs by album. RUSH:Finding My WayHere AgainWhat You're DoingIn The MoodBefore & AfterWorking Man FLY BY NIGHT:AnthemBeneath, Between & BehindBy-Tor & The Snow DogFly By NightIn The End CARESS OF STEEL:Bastille DayLakeside ParkNecromancerFountain of Lambeth 2112:2112A Passage To BangkokTwilight ZoneTearsSomething For Nothing FAREWELL TO KINGS:A Farewell to KingsXanaduCloser to the HeartCinderella ManCygnus X-1 HEMISPHERES:HemispheresCircumstancesTreesLa Villa Strangiato PERMANENT WAVES:The Spirit of RadioFreewillJacob's LadderNatural Science MOVING PICTURES;Tom SawyerRed BarchettaYYZLimelightCamera EyeWitch HuntVital Signs SIGNALS:SubdivisionsAnalog KidChemistryThe WeaponNew World ManLosing ItCountdown GRACE UNDER PRESSURE:Distant Early WarningRed Sector AEnemy WothknBody ElectricBetween The Wheels POWER WINDOWS:Big MoneyGrand DesignsManhattan ProjectMarathonTerritories HOLD YOUR FIRE:Force TenTime Stand StillPrime MoverLock And KeyMissionTurn The PageTai ShanHigh Water PRESTO:Show Don't TellChain LightningThe PassPresto ROLL THE BONES:DreamlineBravadoWhere's My ThingGhost Of A Chance COUNTERPARTS:AnimateStick It OutNobody's HeroBetween Sun & MoonLeave That Thing Alone TEST FOR ECHO:Test For EchoDrivenHalf The WorldResistLimboCarve Away The Stone VAPOUR TRAILS:One Little VictoryCeiling UnlimitedGhost RiderPeaceable KingdomVapour TrailsSecret TouchEarthshineFreeze SNAKES AND ARROWS:Far CryArmour And SwordLarger BowlSpindriftMain Monkey BusinessWay The Wind BlowsHopeFaithlessMalNar CLOCKWORK ANGELS:CaravanBU2BClockwork AngelsAnarchistCarniesHalo EffectSeven CitiesWreckersHeadlong FlightWish Them WellGardenIf these are the songs you'd leave in I wouldn't have a problem with it. Well except for GUP, HYF and Counterparts. Edited August 3, 2013 by losingit2k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedRush Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 I think the longer album lengths led to more great Rush songs being released.This statement is complete off. The Only Album that can be compared to their late 70's and early 80's endeavor has been Clockwork Angels and that was a shorter album. No Other album can even come close. Yes Every album in that era had good and even some great tracks on them but the entire album would not remain consistent throughout. Even Counterpart, their strongest effort in that era still held tracks like Speed of Love and Everyday Glory which IMO I could just do without. :codger: But that assumes they'd leave off the songs you didn't think were great. Geddy would have left off Tai Shan, perhaps my favorite off what I consider one of their weakest albums. Many here would leave off Dog Years, Ghost Rider, Heresy, Bravado, or RTB, but I love those songs. I agree with you there, LedRush. It assumes that the tracks we don't like are left off. If this had have been Rush's focus in the recoding process of CA, who's to say that we would have Headlong Flight, or The Garden? Just because someone doesn't like the song is not a reason to have a shortened "more focused" album. To illustrate my point, I'll let you guys go to war over my list of songs by album. RUSH:Finding My WayHere AgainWhat You're DoingIn The MoodBefore & AfterWorking Man FLY BY NIGHT:AnthemBeneath, Between & BehindBy-Tor & The Snow DogFly By NightIn The End CARESS OF STEEL:Bastille DayLakeside ParkNecromancerFountain of Lambeth 2112:2112A Passage To BangkokTwilight ZoneTearsSomething For Nothing FAREWELL TO KINGS:A Farewell to KingsXanaduCloser to the HeartCinderella ManCygnus X-1 HEMISPHERES:HemispheresCircumstancesTreesLa Villa Strangiato PERMANENT WAVES:The Spirit of RadioFreewillJacob's LadderNatural Science MOVING PICTURES;Tom SawyerRed BarchettaYYZLimelightCamera EyeWitch HuntVital Signs SIGNALS:SubdivisionsAnalog KidChemistryThe WeaponNew World ManLosing ItCountdown GRACE UNDER PRESSURE:Distant Early WarningRed Sector AEnemy WothknBody ElectricBetween The Wheels POWER WINDOWS:Big MoneyGrand DesignsManhattan ProjectMarathonTerritories HOLD YOUR FIRE:Force TenTime Stand StillPrime MoverLock And KeyMissionTurn The PageTai ShanHigh Water PRESTO:Show Don't TellChain LightningThe PassPresto ROLL THE BONES:DreamlineBravadoWhere's My ThingGhost Of A Chance COUNTERPARTS:AnimateStick It OutNobody's HeroBetween Sun & MoonLeave That Thing Alone TEST FOR ECHO:Test For EchoDrivenHalf The WorldResistLimboCarve Away The Stone VAPOUR TRAILS:One Little VictoryCeiling UnlimitedGhost RiderPeaceable KingdomVapour TrailsSecret TouchEarthshineFreeze SNAKES AND ARROWS:Far CryArmour And SwordLarger BowlSpindriftMain Monkey BusinessWay The Wind BlowsHopeFaithlessMalNar CLOCKWORK ANGELS:CaravanBU2BClockwork AngelsAnarchistCarniesHalo EffectSeven CitiesWreckersHeadlong FlightWish Them WellGarden No Entres Nous? No thank you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WavesandWindows Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 My point exactly, if that was what Rush had finished up with, and then you found Entre Nous, you would have a fit. What would you leave in that I took out on GUP, HYF and CP, LosingIt? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rushgoober Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 I think the longer album lengths led to more great Rush songs being released.This statement is complete off. The Only Album that can be compared to their late 70's and early 80's endeavor has been Clockwork Angels and that was a shorter album. No Other album can even come close. Yes Every album in that era had good and even some great tracks on them but the entire album would not remain consistent throughout. Even Counterpart, their strongest effort in that era still held tracks like Speed of Love and Everyday Glory which IMO I could just do without. :codger: But that assumes they'd leave off the songs you didn't think were great. Geddy would have left off Tai Shan, perhaps my favorite off what I consider one of their weakest albums. Many here would leave off Dog Years, Ghost Rider, Heresy, Bravado, or RTB, but I love those songs. I've heard this philosophy many times. The band should never have left off certain songs because what if they left off the songs I liked and for every song I don't like there's SOMEONE who likes it, so they should all stay on and we can pick and choose what works for us and the rest is for someone else and isn't it wonderful we're all one happy family of Rush fans. The only problem there is that gives them permission to make songs like Dog Years and Virtuality and Face Up and Bravest Face and it's all ok because hell it's got value to someone somewhere. The Spice Girls has value to someone somewhere too, but it doesn't make it great music. Obviously subjective opinion will always exist, but I think what the thrust of this thread is, and that what most people will agree with to some extent, is that there was a period where Rush were making really classic nearly flawless albums for a long time. Then there was a period where the quality was a lot more inconsistent. I think what everyone wants is more consistently great material. Of course each person's definition of what is quality and what is consistent will vary, but it is what most people seem to want. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas7 Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 I used to hate Face Up but it has grown on me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeddysMullet Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 I think the longer album lengths led to more great Rush songs being released.This statement is complete off. The Only Album that can be compared to their late 70's and early 80's endeavor has been Clockwork Angels and that was a shorter album. No Other album can even come close. Yes Every album in that era had good and even some great tracks on them but the entire album would not remain consistent throughout. Even Counterpart, their strongest effort in that era still held tracks like Speed of Love and Everyday Glory which IMO I could just do without. :codger: But that assumes they'd leave off the songs you didn't think were great. Geddy would have left off Tai Shan, perhaps my favorite off what I consider one of their weakest albums. Many here would leave off Dog Years, Ghost Rider, Heresy, Bravado, or RTB, but I love those songs.But the question is: would you have loved them even more if you would have discovered them As unreleased tracks on a compilation or Box Set? This question assumes that all the same songs would have been completed and would have existed to go into such a compilation or boxed set, and that is a ridiculous assumption given that the band has stated many times that they don't save early versions of songs that they don't complete for album release. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WavesandWindows Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 I think the longer album lengths led to more great Rush songs being released.This statement is complete off. The Only Album that can be compared to their late 70's and early 80's endeavor has been Clockwork Angels and that was a shorter album. No Other album can even come close. Yes Every album in that era had good and even some great tracks on them but the entire album would not remain consistent throughout. Even Counterpart, their strongest effort in that era still held tracks like Speed of Love and Everyday Glory which IMO I could just do without. :codger: But that assumes they'd leave off the songs you didn't think were great. Geddy would have left off Tai Shan, perhaps my favorite off what I consider one of their weakest albums. Many here would leave off Dog Years, Ghost Rider, Heresy, Bravado, or RTB, but I love those songs.But the question is: would you have loved them even more if you would have discovered them As unreleased tracks on a compilation or Box Set? This question assumes that all the same songs would have been completed and would have existed to go into such a compilation or boxed set, and that is a ridiculous assumption given that the band has stated many times that they don't save early versions of songs that they don't complete for album release. Which is why we are yet to see Garden Road or Fancy Dancer from the Rush recording sessions surface 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calirush Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 If Rush had followed the philosophy of "less is more" we might not have received the entirety of Clockwork Angels. With the exception of BU2B2 (which isn't a song anyway) I enjoy every track of the recording. I'd rather just skip over a couple of lesser songs than risk losing a gem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rushgoober Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 If Rush had followed the philosophy of "less is more" we might not have received the entirety of Clockwork Angels. With the exception of BU2B2 (which isn't a song anyway) I enjoy every track of the recording. I'd rather just skip over a couple of lesser songs than risk losing a gem. I'd rather them know what songs were gems and what weren't and just leave off the bad ones, but oh well. Then of course people will say, yes, but so many of the tracks I think are bad ones they love so they shouldn't leave any off yadda, yadda, yadda. All I know is that from 1974-1987, outside of a TINY amount of tracks that didn't work, they were virtually flawless. And then they weren't anymore. Sure, there are people who don't like some prime period Rush, but hearing, for example, someone really putting down their 1976-1982 material is pretty infrequent, and 1978-1981 - pretty rare indeed. Rush really were making top notch material for a long time. Either they lost it occasionally after that, or they lost their sound judgment of what should and shouldn't be released. Regardless, they've put out tons of great music, and even in their latter more flawed years they've had some gems (CP, S&A, CA) so I'm not complaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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