Ged Lent's sis Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 QUOTE (Bangster of Goats @ Jul 14 2012, 08:57 AM) Peter Collins? As long as it doesn't sound like Test For Echo... a wee bit sludgy for my taste... My thought almost exactly. First, I thought, "Well, a guy who managed both Power Windows and Counterparts has got good range." And even Hold Your Fire sounds good. The only producer with a perfect record with RUSH is, well, I think we know the answer to that question, so I'd settle for Peter Collins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pound of Obscure Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 QUOTE (Tombstone Mountain @ Jul 13 2012, 09:36 AM) QUOTE (trenken @ Jul 13 2012, 09:34 AM) QUOTE (Tombstone Mountain @ Jul 13 2012, 09:33 AM) QUOTE (trenken @ Jul 13 2012, 09:30 AM) QUOTE (Tombstone Mountain @ Jul 13 2012, 09:27 AM) QUOTE (Gompers @ Jul 13 2012, 09:26 AM) QUOTE (Tombstone Mountain @ Jul 13 2012, 10:02 AM) I hope the band produces every album from here to eternity with Nick--he got the best out of them!!! What did collins bring to the albums he produced? what quality does he bring out of Rush that makes his productions superior to Nicks? It is almost universally agreed that CA is the bands best release since the early 80's...why is that? Nick had A LOT to do with it. Just ask the boys. Anyway...someone tell me about Collins and his upside please He brought Caveman to Rush. OK, but what did Collins do for the band??? Caveman isone thing. what does Collins do that is so special??? He helped creat really crisp and dynamic sounding albums, Rush's best sounding albums IMO. CA is a muddy mess. The drums sound completely dead in it. Rush deserves better than this. Nick is a hack producer who only gets hired by garbage mainstream rock bands. Why do some of the more creative and revered bands out there not work with stock producers like him? Hmmm I wonder... sorry sir, you are in the wee minority on this. everyone else in the world is wrong and your right? Best album since the early 80's is THE consensus. Anyway...have a nice day dude! Utterly Flawless Um, have you read the threads on this board about the sound of this album? Yeah pretty sure Im not alone. You're too busy with your joke review threads to even realize how many people dont love the mix of this album. Sure I know how many people aren't happy with the sound. its a preference thing for a minority of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangster of Goats Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 (edited) The sniveling, overly sentimental illogical fanboy-in-extreme inside me thinks Rush has one studio album left in them, and that it would be nice to see them reuniting with Terry Brown for the effort. Coming full circle as it were. Ain't gonna happen, I know I know... Edited July 16, 2012 by Bangster of Goats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro2112 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 QUOTE (Ged Lent's sis @ Jul 15 2012, 05:51 PM) The only producer with a perfect record with RUSH is, well, I think we know the answer to that question The sucky sounding Signals says, "Hello." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Priest of Syrinx Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Signals sounded OK on the original vinyl. Of course, the actual music was such a shock to the system... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noisorroCmrotS Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 QUOTE (trenken @ Jul 12 2012, 10:04 PM) QUOTE (treeduck @ Jul 12 2012, 04:12 PM) Should Peter Collins return to the RUSH production fold next time? All the albums Peter produced with RUSH have great production quality. And he's still got it, the Flying Colors album sounds excellent! Come on now you RUSH fools, have at it! I wouldn't be against this at all. Nick reminds me more of just a safe standard issue rock album producer. I get why bands like Foo Fighters like him, but Rush? I think they deserve someone who knows how to get a better sound. The drums in particular on CA sound like shit. The snare and bass drums are both dead. All of his albums just have such a generic sound to them, and most of them really lack in the dynamics department. Peter Collins on the other hand is just all about dynamics. That's why albums like Power Windows just sound so amazingly crisp. the best Neil's drums ever sounded. Definitely would like for them to give him another shot if they were to do another album, possibly going back to him for the last one. Would seem fitting to me. If I were Rush I would hire Steven Wilson to mix and master ALL my albums from here on out. Just sayin.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowDog'sNose Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 +1 for Steven Wilson. Or Josh Silver. Or Devin Townsend. Or any random producer or engineer that does NOT have his/her name accredited to anything that sniffs modern fm radio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted July 18, 2012 Author Share Posted July 18, 2012 QUOTE (snowDog'sNose @ Jul 18 2012, 02:06 PM) +1 for Steven Wilson. Or Josh Silver. Or Devin Townsend. Or any random producer or engineer that does NOT have his/her name accredited to anything that sniffs modern fm radio. Not Devin Townsend! He's the Wall of Noise king, the last thing RUSH need is a guy who specialises in that. We're looking for the opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
They Bow Defeated Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (pedro2112 @ Jul 15 2012, 10:53 PM) QUOTE (Ged Lent's sis @ Jul 15 2012, 05:51 PM) The only producer with a perfect record with RUSH is, well, I think we know the answer to that question The sucky sounding Signals says, "Hello." Overall, I still think Terry Brown produced the best-sounding albums. Terry Brown's albums sound more "analog," even Signals. Peter Collins' albums sound more "digital" and are more inconsistent: PoW and CP are exceptional, but HYF is pretty thin/digital and TFE is muddy and loud. Has anyone else noticed that Clockwork Angels, the track, seems to have the most issues with the mix? I can EQ all the other songs to get a pretty decent sound, but with CA I still struggle to get it dialed in. The heavy guitar tracks all seem to be either too muddy or too thin/brittle. And the Neil's toms don't have much definition during the chorus. It's not quite as bad on the vinyl, but still not good. Edited July 18, 2012 by They Bow Defeated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rushman14 Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 QUOTE (They Bow Defeated @ Jul 18 2012, 03:14 PM) Has anyone else noticed that Clockwork Angels, the track, seems to have the most issues with the mix? I can EQ all the other songs to get a pretty decent sound, but with CA I still struggle to get it dialed in. The heavy guitar tracks all seem to be either too muddy or too thin/brittle. And the Neil's toms don't have much definition during the chorus. It's not quite as bad on the vinyl, but still not good. yeah... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
They Bow Defeated Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 QUOTE (Rushman14 @ Jul 18 2012, 05:17 PM)QUOTE (They Bow Defeated @ Jul 18 2012, 03:14 PM) Has anyone else noticed that Clockwork Angels, the track, seems to have the most issues with the mix? I can EQ all the other songs to get a pretty decent sound, but with CA I still struggle to get it dialed in. The heavy guitar tracks all seem to be either too muddy or too thin/brittle. And the Neil's toms don't have much definition during the chorus. It's not quite as bad on the vinyl, but still not good. yeah... It's frustrating, because it's still my favorite track musically and lyrically. With a decent mix and with a little more keys (Moog or Taurus pedals), CA would have been truly . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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internetexplorer Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 Steven Wilson should remaster Vapor Trails and then work on every future Rush album. If only there were some way to force him.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowDog'sNose Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 QUOTE (treeduck @ Jul 18 2012, 02:15 PM)QUOTE (snowDog'sNose @ Jul 18 2012, 02:06 PM) +1 for Steven Wilson. Or Josh Silver. Or Devin Townsend. Or any random producer or engineer that does NOT have his/her name accredited to anything that sniffs modern fm radio. Not Devin Townsend! He's the Wall of Noise king, the last thing RUSH need is a guy who specialises in that. We're looking for the opposite. In reference to Devin Townsend being the King of Noise. I prefer to view his productions as the King of Thick Sound. The idea came up earlier in the thread that whomever is responsible for production/mastering is somewhat at the mercy of the fact that Lifeson has become an addict of multitrcking his guitar in response to the years of riding backseat to keys and such. Listening to any Townsend produced work going back 15 years, like the music or not, it is evident that he separates the men from the boys in working with large numbers of tracks an finding a spot for all tracks to fit sonically. Never have I listened to anything he has produced and thought, "this sound muddy" or "I'm having trouble getting this track EQed right to hear the drums" The fact that this is even a topic with all the production talent that is available, to me is absurd. My point ultimately is that Townsend would have achieved way better results given the same input. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noisorroCmrotS Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 QUOTE (internetexplorer @ Jul 18 2012, 06:22 PM) Steven Wilson should remaster Vapor Trails and then work on every future Rush album. If only there were some way to force him.. Agreed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThinkingBig Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 QUOTE (launchpad67a @ Jul 12 2012, 09:57 PM) Has it ever occurred to anyone that it might not be the fault of the producer or engineer for whatever you feel is wrong with this record? Nothing is wrong with this record. The so-called audiophile experts on this site don't know the difference between analogy and digital. They think vinyl is mastered like a CD. Some people just need to feel important so they run their mouths and other who don't know any better buy into it. THIS. RECORD. ROCKS. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombstone Mountain Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 QUOTE (ThinkingBig @ Jul 19 2012, 07:37 AM) QUOTE (launchpad67a @ Jul 12 2012, 09:57 PM) Has it ever occurred to anyone that it might not be the fault of the producer or engineer for whatever you feel is wrong with this record? Nothing is wrong with this record. The so-called audiophile experts on this site don't know the difference between analogy and digital. They think vinyl is mastered like a CD. Some people just need to feel important so they run their mouths and other who don't know any better buy into it. THIS. RECORD. ROCKS. Period. Amen brotha!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrKlahn Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 QUOTE (ThinkingBig @ Jul 19 2012, 07:37 AM) QUOTE (launchpad67a @ Jul 12 2012, 09:57 PM) Has it ever occurred to anyone that it might not be the fault of the producer or engineer for whatever you feel is wrong with this record? Nothing is wrong with this record. The so-called audiophile experts on this site don't know the difference between analogy and digital. They think vinyl is mastered like a CD. Some people just need to feel important so they run their mouths and other who don't know any better buy into it. THIS. RECORD. ROCKS. Period. The music and artistry of the album is excellent. The mix on the CD is just plain bad. If you don't hear it, that's fine. A lot of us do. Label us what you will, it doesn't negate what we have an issue with. I don't see anyone that thinks this mix is bad is condemning the people that, for whatever reason, don't hear the problems we do. We are not bashing the band or their talents. Far from it. We hear the potential in this album. We just want it realized. That's something ANY fan should get behind. If this album does see a better mastered mix, no one is going to force someone happy with the current incarnation to rebuy it. I for one will make it a day one purchase. If you're at all curious to see what we're talking about. Read up on the Loudness Wars. This is a real problem affecting more than just Rush. Or better yet find a good vinyl copy of this album, level match it (the album needs a decent volume boost), and listen for yourself. The vinyl isn't perfect, but you may appreciate being able to actually understand more of the lyrics and hear more nuance in the instrumentation. Hopefully we'll see a better mastered version of CA at some point and everyone will be happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rushman14 Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 QUOTE (ThinkingBig @ Jul 19 2012, 05:37 AM) QUOTE (launchpad67a @ Jul 12 2012, 09:57 PM) Has it ever occurred to anyone that it might not be the fault of the producer or engineer for whatever you feel is wrong with this record? Nothing is wrong with this record. The so-called audiophile experts on this site don't know the difference between analogy and digital. They think vinyl is mastered like a CD. Some people just need to feel important so they run their mouths and other who don't know any better buy into it. THIS. RECORD. ROCKS. Period. You. are. wrong. Period. I have plenty of experience with the tedious mixing process. Yes the songs rock, but the production is flawed. I'm not trying to feel important. I just want to crank the title track without wincing and feeling the urge to reach for the volume knob. It's frustrating that this happened on an album this good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pound of Obscure Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 QUOTE (ThinkingBig @ Jul 19 2012, 07:37 AM) QUOTE (launchpad67a @ Jul 12 2012, 09:57 PM) Has it ever occurred to anyone that it might not be the fault of the producer or engineer for whatever you feel is wrong with this record? Nothing is wrong with this record. The so-called audiophile experts on this site don't know the difference between analogy and digital. They think vinyl is mastered like a CD. Some people just need to feel important so they run their mouths and other who don't know any better buy into it. THIS. RECORD. ROCKS. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pound of Obscure Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 QUOTE (DrKlahn @ Jul 19 2012, 10:43 AM) QUOTE (ThinkingBig @ Jul 19 2012, 07:37 AM) QUOTE (launchpad67a @ Jul 12 2012, 09:57 PM) Has it ever occurred to anyone that it might not be the fault of the producer or engineer for whatever you feel is wrong with this record? Nothing is wrong with this record. The so-called audiophile experts on this site don't know the difference between analogy and digital. They think vinyl is mastered like a CD. Some people just need to feel important so they run their mouths and other who don't know any better buy into it. THIS. RECORD. ROCKS. Period. The music and artistry of the album is excellent. The mix on the CD is just plain bad. If you don't hear it, that's fine. A lot of us do. Label us what you will, it doesn't negate what we have an issue with. I don't see anyone that thinks this mix is bad is condemning the people that, for whatever reason, don't hear the problems we do. We are not bashing the band or their talents. Far from it. We hear the potential in this album. We just want it realized. That's something ANY fan should get behind. If this album does see a better mastered mix, no one is going to force someone happy with the current incarnation to rebuy it. I for one will make it a day one purchase. If you're at all curious to see what we're talking about. Read up on the Loudness Wars. This is a real problem affecting more than just Rush. Or better yet find a good vinyl copy of this album, level match it (the album needs a decent volume boost), and listen for yourself. The vinyl isn't perfect, but you may appreciate being able to actually understand more of the lyrics and hear more nuance in the instrumentation. Hopefully we'll see a better mastered version of CA at some point and everyone will be happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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