Tarkus406 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 QUOTE (lonelymoon @ Jun 26 2012, 06:47 PM) Rush ripping off Nirvana? Been happening much beginning with Counterparts maybe ?? Grunge chords and production came from where? Hello? Alex bought a shotgun and detached garage in Seattle in '94, but he ended up using the shotgun as a slide on TFE and he stores his bike in the garage, hoping Neil will invite him on a bike ride to Nicaragua. (still waiting, I suspect). And Neil. The toms at the start of the Anarchist... it's 2012. Wipe Out has been done dude. .....dafuq did I just .... ? ??? ? ? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
losingit2k Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 QUOTE (lonelymoon @ Jun 26 2012, 04:15 PM) What can we say about RUSH's latest attempt at a ballad except "IIWII". Thoughts about Alex's pedestrian guitar playing (the flat picking part in the chorus we have heard before in... oh how many other songs??? Geddy's vocal delivery shows his age more than any other song they have done. I don't think I would say that about any other song they have done, including on this album. Sadly sounds like an old man warbling. given it repeated listenings, tried hard to like it, but the writing is on the wall: IIWII Wow, I'm really disappointed! Everyone had warn me on how bad and negative the trolling would get on the threads here after a new release and frankly they have all been pretty lame. It's really appalling and this attempt is the worst of them all. You guys really should have stayed with the bassy sounding mastering at least you guys had a leg to stand on with that. But this? This is the most dismal attempt at trolling I have witness yet. There's absolutely no thought behind it. Have you guys ran out of ideas? Do you need some? I can help! Really! "Neil's improvisation is amateurish and should never have been attempted!" "Alex's guitar sound has never sounded more cluttered." "Geddy's bass playing sounds like tow bull frogs mating underwater. " " Clockwork Angels may have benefited from more keyboards and less strings!' Any of the above threads would have been a better attempt at trolling than what has been put forth. Its really pathetic! Come on guys! Please! Try harder. Its been a real let down. I really expected more. Give us something worth our while or just admit for once that trolling against Clockwork Angels is nearly impossible and its brilliance is too damn hard to neglect! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Finding IT Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 QUOTE (ILSnwdog @ Jun 26 2012, 04:17 PM) Hey..I remember you. You're loads of fun! Thanks for stopping by! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godeater2112 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 @OP You're a trolling moron piece of shit, don't worry though, IIWII. This is by FAR one of the most beautiful and intricately composed pieces of work we've heard from Rush since... well... maybe since ever. Go back to your Bon Jovi forum mister! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 QUOTE (Godeater2112 @ Jun 28 2012, 04:23 PM) @OP You're a trolling moron piece of shit, don't worry though, IIWII. This is by FAR one of the most beautiful and intricately composed pieces of work we've heard from Rush since... well... maybe since ever. Go back to your Bon Jovi forum mister! This is why he's called lonely moon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReflectedLight Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 QUOTE (TheBluePhoenix @ Jun 27 2012, 07:08 AM) The Garden is not a bad song but it's just not "Rush" enough for me. It's too laid back and soft. However, I do give them credit for trying something different. I think it would fit well on Geddy's My Favorite Headache album obviously because he wrote most of it. i get the same impression from the song and it doesn't stand out for me. it's ok to sound soft or laid back but i'm not feeling the song the way others are. i love tears and that's slower than the garden but the garden doesn't stick with me the way tears does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
They Bow Defeated Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 QUOTE (losingit2k @ Jun 27 2012, 07:39 PM) Wow, I'm really disappointed! Everyone had warn me on how bad and negative the trolling would get on the threads here after a new release and frankly they have all been pretty lame. It's really appalling and this attempt is the worst of them all. You guys really should have stayed with the bassy sounding mastering at least you guys had a leg to stand on with that. But this? This is the most dismal attempt at trolling I have witness yet. There's absolutely no thought behind it. Have you guys ran out of ideas? Do you need some? I can help! Really! "Neil's improvisation is amateurish and should never have been attempted!" "Alex's guitar sound has never sounded more cluttered." "Geddy's bass playing sounds like tow bull frogs mating underwater. " " Clockwork Angels may have benefited from more keyboards and less strings!' Any of the above threads would have been a better attempt at trolling than what has been put forth. Its really pathetic! Come on guys! Please! Try harder. Its been a real let down. I really expected more. Give us something worth our while or just admit for once that trolling against Clockwork Angels is nearly impossible and its brilliance is too damn hard to neglect! In ten five or ten years, The Garden will be considered a new Rush classic, and lonelymoon will still be lonely on his computer (or whatever strange device we have then) trolling on Rush sites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gedneil Alpeart Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 QUOTE (They Bow Defeated @ Jun 28 2012, 07:24 PM) QUOTE (losingit2k @ Jun 27 2012, 07:39 PM) Wow, I'm really disappointed! Everyone had warn me on how bad and negative the trolling would get on the threads here after a new release and frankly they have all been pretty lame. It's really appalling and this attempt is the worst of them all. You guys really should have stayed with the bassy sounding mastering at least you guys had a leg to stand on with that. But this? This is the most dismal attempt at trolling I have witness yet. There's absolutely no thought behind it. Have you guys ran out of ideas? Do you need some? I can help! Really! "Neil's improvisation is amateurish and should never have been attempted!" "Alex's guitar sound has never sounded more cluttered." "Geddy's bass playing sounds like tow bull frogs mating underwater. " " Clockwork Angels may have benefited from more keyboards and less strings!' Any of the above threads would have been a better attempt at trolling than what has been put forth. Its really pathetic! Come on guys! Please! Try harder. Its been a real let down. I really expected more. Give us something worth our while or just admit for once that trolling against Clockwork Angels is nearly impossible and its brilliance is too damn hard to neglect! In ten five or ten years, The Garden will be considered a new Rush classic, and lonelymoon will still be lonely on his computer (or whatever strange device we have then) trolling on Rush sites. Nah, lonelymoon loves the garden.....but is mad at the song cause it made him cry when he didnt want to and he felt like a wuss, hence the trolly post..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GeminiRising79 Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 QUOTE (ReflectedLight @ Jun 28 2012, 06:05 PM) QUOTE (TheBluePhoenix @ Jun 27 2012, 07:08 AM) The Garden is not a bad song but it's just not "Rush" enough for me. It's too laid back and soft. However, I do give them credit for trying something different. I think it would fit well on Geddy's My Favorite Headache album obviously because he wrote most of it. i get the same impression from the song and it doesn't stand out for me. it's ok to sound soft or laid back but i'm not feeling the song the way others are. i love tears and that's slower than the garden but the garden doesn't stick with me the way tears does. Tears is a real tear-jerker for me. A seriously beautiful song. The Garden is full of weeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brat7760 Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 QUOTE (g under p @ Jun 27 2012, 08:46 AM) QUOTE (Mara @ Jun 26 2012, 05:17 PM) In English, please? No idea what "IIWII" means. Don't much care, either. And I disagree. "The Garden" is a thing of ineffable beauty. And it is not intended to be a show-offy piece for anyone. I think it's one of the best songs on the album...it stood out immediately. I just wonder why did they place it at the end of the album? The song straight up rocks... I agree, it is my favorite song on the album! Hope they play it on tour!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush! Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 The Garden is one of their best and most gorgeous songs, bar none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYM86 Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 QUOTE (g under p @ Jun 27 2012, 08:46 AM) QUOTE (Mara @ Jun 26 2012, 05:17 PM) In English, please? No idea what "IIWII" means. Don't much care, either. And I disagree. "The Garden" is a thing of ineffable beauty. And it is not intended to be a show-offy piece for anyone. I think it's one of the best songs on the album...it stood out immediately. I just wonder why did they place it at the end of the album? The song straight up rocks... Strange choice of adjective Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangster of Goats Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 The phrase "it is what it is" has always grated on me... (and it's something my boss always says, grrrrr.) Anyway, it's a good song, even if it's a bit too melancholy for my tastes. I like Rush albums to end on an upbeat, positive note. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pound of Obscure Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 QUOTE (rushgoober @ Jun 26 2012, 07:02 PM) Am I the only one who feels that if you're a Rush fan and you don't like The Garden, that perhaps you have a heart of stone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rushgoober Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 QUOTE (Bangster of Goats @ Jun 29 2012, 04:30 AM) The phrase "it is what it is" has always grated on me... (and it's something my boss always says, grrrrr.) Anyway, it's a good song, even if it's a bit too melancholy for my tastes. I like Rush albums to end on an upbeat, positive note. Rush have rarely been more positive and upbeat than The Garden. I think you're referring to the song being slower and the lyrics being very deep and thoughtful, but that doesn't make the song melancholy... at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psionic11 Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 The cells tick away. If you are one who realizes fully that you are mortal, and are more aware of your end of days than of the hey days, of that distant past when you bathed in that constant, invincible immersion of youth and discovery... If the measure of a life, of a lifetime, is the love and respect you've earned, of all you have given rather than taken, ... then The Garden is wholesomely positive if you've lived that full, rewarding life with wonderful children to pass on your legacy. ... else The Garden can be a painful reminder: "It's cold comfort to the ones without it, to know" how you struggled. Like the homeless man on the outside looking in, blankly gazing with jaded envy through the shopping glass window at all the shiny, happy people inside the store. The memory of a life is too rich to be labeled "positive" or "negative." But the overall feeling can be warm and nostalgic, or cold and longing. The arrow flies while you breathe. The hours tick away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerxt Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 I'm sure that this song is autobiographical in respect to Neil. His garden, his family, and his legacy as he sees the end of his career and his approach towards 60. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken hawk Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 My favorite song on the Album. The Garden ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeddyRulz Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 QUOTE (rushgoober @ Jun 29 2012, 09:16 AM) QUOTE (Bangster of Goats @ Jun 29 2012, 04:30 AM) The phrase "it is what it is" has always grated on me... (and it's something my boss always says, grrrrr.) Anyway, it's a good song, even if it's a bit too melancholy for my tastes. I like Rush albums to end on an upbeat, positive note. Rush have rarely been more positive and upbeat than The Garden. I think you're referring to the song being slower and the lyrics being very deep and thoughtful, but that doesn't make the song melancholy... at all. I find it uplifting. Maybe you'd be willing to go a few rounds with Trenken, who keeps saying the story/album "doesn't have a happy ending." I'd like to argue that, but I'm not willing to devote the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangster of Goats Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 (edited) No, I get what the lyrics try to convey. I guess what I'm trying to say is that the *music* sounds like a dirge to me. (Contrast with "The Sphere" at the end of Hemispheres.) Now don't get me wrong! It's a beautiful song and I certainly don't hate it! Alex's solo in it gets stuck in my mind quite often as a matter of fact. I just prefer to have a Rush album end with something a little more uptempo and kinetic, that's all. Edited June 30, 2012 by Bangster of Goats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gedneil Alpeart Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 QUOTE (psionic11 @ Jun 29 2012, 10:04 AM) The cells tick away. If you are one who realizes fully that you are mortal, and are more aware of your end of days than of the hey days, of that distant past when you bathed in that constant, invincible immersion of youth and discovery... If the measure of a life, of a lifetime, is the love and respect you've earned, of all you have given rather than taken, ... then The Garden is wholesomely positive if you've lived that full, rewarding life with wonderful children to pass on your legacy. ... else The Garden can be a painful reminder: "It's cold comfort to the ones without it, to know" how you struggled. Like the homeless man on the outside looking in, blankly gazing with jaded envy through the shopping glass window at all the shiny, happy people inside the store. The memory of a life is too rich to be labeled "positive" or "negative." But the overall feeling can be warm and nostalgic, or cold and longing. The arrow flies while you breathe. The hours tick away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunter Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 I know I'll get flamed for this but, I love it because Alex left us a place to solo. http://www.greatfallingoftheleaves.com/Garden_solo.mp3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
They Bow Defeated Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 (edited) Edited June 30, 2012 by They Bow Defeated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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