An Enemy Without Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 QUOTE (danielmclark @ May 29 2012, 12:40 PM) QUOTE (Lerxster @ May 29 2012, 11:15 AM) QUOTE (Lerxster @ May 29 2012, 11:44 AM) QUOTE (danielmclark @ May 29 2012, 11:05 AM) Just hope that you're not on the receiving end of some "heroic" cop with an itchy trigger-finger some day. Because you're completely justifying the "shoot first, ask questions later" mentality. You seem to want to celebrate it. And the guy they killed wasn't a zombie. It was a human being. Not an innocent, of course, but still a human being. People need to stop acting like this is something out of a video game. The only thing I'm celebrating is a job well done by the officer, based on the facts we know. Guy eating another human.. guy is shot but does not stop, so more gun shots end the attempted murder in progress. If some guy wacked out of his brain on whatever tried to eat you alive, I would hope the police would do the same for you. And, not to belabor my point, but one point I forgot to bring up is.. this criminal also appears to be a cannibal (or at least on that day). The officer(s) were at risk of being bitten or worse.. chunks of their flesh ripped out by the maniac. Not worth the risk to the officers. In this case, it is shoot first ask questions later. In this case, I agree with the deadly force. In this case. So now the officers (plural, remember, there were several) are scared not of being beat up, but of being bitten? That doesn't negate my overall point. Deadly force should not have been the first method used in this situation. How about a couple of these brave cops walk up to the guy and smack him in the head a few times with their batons? Maybe try that first? Think of all the diseases cannibal guy could have been carrying. This isn't your five year old brother biting you through a sweatshirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted May 31, 2012 Author Share Posted May 31, 2012 QUOTE (JohnnyBlaze @ May 30 2012, 07:29 AM) Hair of the DUCK... now you're messin' with a Son of a bitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted May 31, 2012 Author Share Posted May 31, 2012 QUOTE (An Enemy Without @ May 31 2012, 12:26 AM) QUOTE (danielmclark @ May 29 2012, 12:40 PM) QUOTE (Lerxster @ May 29 2012, 11:15 AM) QUOTE (Lerxster @ May 29 2012, 11:44 AM) QUOTE (danielmclark @ May 29 2012, 11:05 AM) Just hope that you're not on the receiving end of some "heroic" cop with an itchy trigger-finger some day. Because you're completely justifying the "shoot first, ask questions later" mentality. You seem to want to celebrate it. And the guy they killed wasn't a zombie. It was a human being. Not an innocent, of course, but still a human being. People need to stop acting like this is something out of a video game. The only thing I'm celebrating is a job well done by the officer, based on the facts we know. Guy eating another human.. guy is shot but does not stop, so more gun shots end the attempted murder in progress. If some guy wacked out of his brain on whatever tried to eat you alive, I would hope the police would do the same for you. And, not to belabor my point, but one point I forgot to bring up is.. this criminal also appears to be a cannibal (or at least on that day). The officer(s) were at risk of being bitten or worse.. chunks of their flesh ripped out by the maniac. Not worth the risk to the officers. In this case, it is shoot first ask questions later. In this case, I agree with the deadly force. In this case. So now the officers (plural, remember, there were several) are scared not of being beat up, but of being bitten? That doesn't negate my overall point. Deadly force should not have been the first method used in this situation. How about a couple of these brave cops walk up to the guy and smack him in the head a few times with their batons? Maybe try that first? Think of all the diseases cannibal guy could have been carrying. This isn't your five year old brother biting you through a sweatshirt. Infection is the biggest obstacle to his recovery, a human bite carries much more bacteria than say a dog bite and it is more likely to become infected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyBlaze Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 QUOTE (danielmclark @ May 31 2012, 12:32 AM) QUOTE (JohnnyBlaze @ May 30 2012, 07:17 AM) QUOTE (Lerxster @ May 30 2012, 02:58 AM) QUOTE (danielmclark @ May 29 2012, 12:40 PM) QUOTE (Lerxster @ May 29 2012, 11:15 AM) QUOTE (Lerxster @ May 29 2012, 11:44 AM) QUOTE (danielmclark @ May 29 2012, 11:05 AM) Just hope that you're not on the receiving end of some "heroic" cop with an itchy trigger-finger some day. Because you're completely justifying the "shoot first, ask questions later" mentality. You seem to want to celebrate it. And the guy they killed wasn't a zombie. It was a human being. Not an innocent, of course, but still a human being. People need to stop acting like this is something out of a video game. The only thing I'm celebrating is a job well done by the officer, based on the facts we know. Guy eating another human.. guy is shot but does not stop, so more gun shots end the attempted murder in progress. If some guy wacked out of his brain on whatever tried to eat you alive, I would hope the police would do the same for you. And, not to belabor my point, but one point I forgot to bring up is.. this criminal also appears to be a cannibal (or at least on that day). The officer(s) were at risk of being bitten or worse.. chunks of their flesh ripped out by the maniac. Not worth the risk to the officers. In this case, it is shoot first ask questions later. In this case, I agree with the deadly force. In this case. So now the officers (plural, remember, there were several) are scared not of being beat up, but of being bitten? That doesn't negate my overall point. Deadly force should not have been the first method used in this situation. How about a couple of these brave cops walk up to the guy and smack him in the head a few times with their batons? Maybe try that first? c'mon man. They whack him in the head, and he's still chewing on victims face. Then what? Keep whacking till you bash his head in and.. kill the perp. No cop is gonna get within grabbing distance of this zombie guy. His mouth could be considered a deadly weapon, since he's using it to kill the victim. Not worth the risk to police officers. If you're going to be all for the zombie's rights first over the officer's safety (not to mention the victim, who I'm sure needed the perp off him asap), then that's about all from me. Good day, sir Next time this happens I think police officers should use daniel as a baton. I think beating a flesh eater with daniel would be much more humane than just gunning the ravenous bastard down. You know what? I'd do that. You give me the same gear the cops carry and I would take that bastard down without firing a shot - and I'm an overweight, out-of-shape ex-smoker. Excellent! I'll take you up on that offer when the time comes. Since you're overweight it'd take longer for the zombie to eat all of you. And by the time that happens I probably will have already knocked them out with your girth. You'll be a hero! You'll be a bit munched on and mangled but you'll be a hero nonetheless! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielmclark Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 QUOTE (An Enemy Without @ May 30 2012, 11:26 PM) QUOTE (danielmclark @ May 29 2012, 12:40 PM) QUOTE (Lerxster @ May 29 2012, 11:15 AM) QUOTE (Lerxster @ May 29 2012, 11:44 AM) QUOTE (danielmclark @ May 29 2012, 11:05 AM) Just hope that you're not on the receiving end of some "heroic" cop with an itchy trigger-finger some day. Because you're completely justifying the "shoot first, ask questions later" mentality. You seem to want to celebrate it. And the guy they killed wasn't a zombie. It was a human being. Not an innocent, of course, but still a human being. People need to stop acting like this is something out of a video game. The only thing I'm celebrating is a job well done by the officer, based on the facts we know. Guy eating another human.. guy is shot but does not stop, so more gun shots end the attempted murder in progress. If some guy wacked out of his brain on whatever tried to eat you alive, I would hope the police would do the same for you. And, not to belabor my point, but one point I forgot to bring up is.. this criminal also appears to be a cannibal (or at least on that day). The officer(s) were at risk of being bitten or worse.. chunks of their flesh ripped out by the maniac. Not worth the risk to the officers. In this case, it is shoot first ask questions later. In this case, I agree with the deadly force. In this case. So now the officers (plural, remember, there were several) are scared not of being beat up, but of being bitten? That doesn't negate my overall point. Deadly force should not have been the first method used in this situation. How about a couple of these brave cops walk up to the guy and smack him in the head a few times with their batons? Maybe try that first? Think of all the diseases cannibal guy could have been carrying. This isn't your five year old brother biting you through a sweatshirt. I honestly think people have been watching too much Walking Dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyBlaze Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 QUOTE (danielmclark @ May 31 2012, 09:33 PM) QUOTE (An Enemy Without @ May 30 2012, 11:26 PM) QUOTE (danielmclark @ May 29 2012, 12:40 PM) QUOTE (Lerxster @ May 29 2012, 11:15 AM) QUOTE (Lerxster @ May 29 2012, 11:44 AM) QUOTE (danielmclark @ May 29 2012, 11:05 AM) Just hope that you're not on the receiving end of some "heroic" cop with an itchy trigger-finger some day. Because you're completely justifying the "shoot first, ask questions later" mentality. You seem to want to celebrate it. And the guy they killed wasn't a zombie. It was a human being. Not an innocent, of course, but still a human being. People need to stop acting like this is something out of a video game. The only thing I'm celebrating is a job well done by the officer, based on the facts we know. Guy eating another human.. guy is shot but does not stop, so more gun shots end the attempted murder in progress. If some guy wacked out of his brain on whatever tried to eat you alive, I would hope the police would do the same for you. And, not to belabor my point, but one point I forgot to bring up is.. this criminal also appears to be a cannibal (or at least on that day). The officer(s) were at risk of being bitten or worse.. chunks of their flesh ripped out by the maniac. Not worth the risk to the officers. In this case, it is shoot first ask questions later. In this case, I agree with the deadly force. In this case. So now the officers (plural, remember, there were several) are scared not of being beat up, but of being bitten? That doesn't negate my overall point. Deadly force should not have been the first method used in this situation. How about a couple of these brave cops walk up to the guy and smack him in the head a few times with their batons? Maybe try that first? Think of all the diseases cannibal guy could have been carrying. This isn't your five year old brother biting you through a sweatshirt. I honestly think people have been watching too much Walking Dead. I've never seen it. But I'm pretty sure I don't want anyone (zombie or otherwise) biting my face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Enemy Without Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 QUOTE (danielmclark @ May 31 2012, 07:33 AM) QUOTE (An Enemy Without @ May 30 2012, 11:26 PM) QUOTE (danielmclark @ May 29 2012, 12:40 PM) QUOTE (Lerxster @ May 29 2012, 11:15 AM) QUOTE (Lerxster @ May 29 2012, 11:44 AM) QUOTE (danielmclark @ May 29 2012, 11:05 AM) Just hope that you're not on the receiving end of some "heroic" cop with an itchy trigger-finger some day. Because you're completely justifying the "shoot first, ask questions later" mentality. You seem to want to celebrate it. And the guy they killed wasn't a zombie. It was a human being. Not an innocent, of course, but still a human being. People need to stop acting like this is something out of a video game. The only thing I'm celebrating is a job well done by the officer, based on the facts we know. Guy eating another human.. guy is shot but does not stop, so more gun shots end the attempted murder in progress. If some guy wacked out of his brain on whatever tried to eat you alive, I would hope the police would do the same for you. And, not to belabor my point, but one point I forgot to bring up is.. this criminal also appears to be a cannibal (or at least on that day). The officer(s) were at risk of being bitten or worse.. chunks of their flesh ripped out by the maniac. Not worth the risk to the officers. In this case, it is shoot first ask questions later. In this case, I agree with the deadly force. In this case. So now the officers (plural, remember, there were several) are scared not of being beat up, but of being bitten? That doesn't negate my overall point. Deadly force should not have been the first method used in this situation. How about a couple of these brave cops walk up to the guy and smack him in the head a few times with their batons? Maybe try that first? Think of all the diseases cannibal guy could have been carrying. This isn't your five year old brother biting you through a sweatshirt. I honestly think people have been watching too much Walking Dead. Are you saying the guy's mouth was squeaky clean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielmclark Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 QUOTE (An Enemy Without @ May 31 2012, 11:24 AM) QUOTE (danielmclark @ May 31 2012, 07:33 AM) QUOTE (An Enemy Without @ May 30 2012, 11:26 PM) QUOTE (danielmclark @ May 29 2012, 12:40 PM) QUOTE (Lerxster @ May 29 2012, 11:15 AM) QUOTE (Lerxster @ May 29 2012, 11:44 AM) QUOTE (danielmclark @ May 29 2012, 11:05 AM) Just hope that you're not on the receiving end of some "heroic" cop with an itchy trigger-finger some day. Because you're completely justifying the "shoot first, ask questions later" mentality. You seem to want to celebrate it. And the guy they killed wasn't a zombie. It was a human being. Not an innocent, of course, but still a human being. People need to stop acting like this is something out of a video game. The only thing I'm celebrating is a job well done by the officer, based on the facts we know. Guy eating another human.. guy is shot but does not stop, so more gun shots end the attempted murder in progress. If some guy wacked out of his brain on whatever tried to eat you alive, I would hope the police would do the same for you. And, not to belabor my point, but one point I forgot to bring up is.. this criminal also appears to be a cannibal (or at least on that day). The officer(s) were at risk of being bitten or worse.. chunks of their flesh ripped out by the maniac. Not worth the risk to the officers. In this case, it is shoot first ask questions later. In this case, I agree with the deadly force. In this case. So now the officers (plural, remember, there were several) are scared not of being beat up, but of being bitten? That doesn't negate my overall point. Deadly force should not have been the first method used in this situation. How about a couple of these brave cops walk up to the guy and smack him in the head a few times with their batons? Maybe try that first? Think of all the diseases cannibal guy could have been carrying. This isn't your five year old brother biting you through a sweatshirt. I honestly think people have been watching too much Walking Dead. Are you saying the guy's mouth was squeaky clean? No, just that if a trained street cop - and there was more than one - can't keep someone from biting him, maybe he shouldn't be on the street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lerxster Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 QUOTE (danielmclark @ May 31 2012, 01:08 PM) QUOTE (An Enemy Without @ May 31 2012, 11:24 AM) QUOTE (danielmclark @ May 31 2012, 07:33 AM) QUOTE (An Enemy Without @ May 30 2012, 11:26 PM) QUOTE (danielmclark @ May 29 2012, 12:40 PM) QUOTE (Lerxster @ May 29 2012, 11:15 AM) QUOTE (Lerxster @ May 29 2012, 11:44 AM) QUOTE (danielmclark @ May 29 2012, 11:05 AM) Just hope that you're not on the receiving end of some "heroic" cop with an itchy trigger-finger some day. Because you're completely justifying the "shoot first, ask questions later" mentality. You seem to want to celebrate it. And the guy they killed wasn't a zombie. It was a human being. Not an innocent, of course, but still a human being. People need to stop acting like this is something out of a video game. The only thing I'm celebrating is a job well done by the officer, based on the facts we know. Guy eating another human.. guy is shot but does not stop, so more gun shots end the attempted murder in progress. If some guy wacked out of his brain on whatever tried to eat you alive, I would hope the police would do the same for you. And, not to belabor my point, but one point I forgot to bring up is.. this criminal also appears to be a cannibal (or at least on that day). The officer(s) were at risk of being bitten or worse.. chunks of their flesh ripped out by the maniac. Not worth the risk to the officers. In this case, it is shoot first ask questions later. In this case, I agree with the deadly force. In this case. So now the officers (plural, remember, there were several) are scared not of being beat up, but of being bitten? That doesn't negate my overall point. Deadly force should not have been the first method used in this situation. How about a couple of these brave cops walk up to the guy and smack him in the head a few times with their batons? Maybe try that first? Think of all the diseases cannibal guy could have been carrying. This isn't your five year old brother biting you through a sweatshirt. I honestly think people have been watching too much Walking Dead. Are you saying the guy's mouth was squeaky clean? No, just that if a trained street cop - and there was more than one - can't keep someone from biting him, maybe he shouldn't be on the street. it's like you're living in a bubble. Read up on these bath salt and other synthetic drugs out there that turn people into stark raving lunatic machines. One story about a guy freaking out in a hospital on something that required 15 people to get the perp restrained. And you're all, I could have taken that zombie down with mace and a club. You're hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khan Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 The zombification of the world has begun! Muaaahahahahhahaaaaaa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted May 31, 2012 Author Share Posted May 31, 2012 QUOTE (An Enemy Without @ May 31 2012, 12:24 PM)QUOTE (danielmclark @ May 31 2012, 07:33 AM) QUOTE (An Enemy Without @ May 30 2012, 11:26 PM) QUOTE (danielmclark @ May 29 2012, 12:40 PM) QUOTE (Lerxster @ May 29 2012, 11:15 AM) QUOTE (Lerxster @ May 29 2012, 11:44 AM) QUOTE (danielmclark @ May 29 2012, 11:05 AM) Just hope that you're not on the receiving end of some "heroic" cop with an itchy trigger-finger some day. Because you're completely justifying the "shoot first, ask questions later" mentality. You seem to want to celebrate it. And the guy they killed wasn't a zombie. It was a human being. Not an innocent, of course, but still a human being. People need to stop acting like this is something out of a video game. The only thing I'm celebrating is a job well done by the officer, based on the facts we know. Guy eating another human.. guy is shot but does not stop, so more gun shots end the attempted murder in progress. If some guy wacked out of his brain on whatever tried to eat you alive, I would hope the police would do the same for you. And, not to belabor my point, but one point I forgot to bring up is.. this criminal also appears to be a cannibal (or at least on that day). The officer(s) were at risk of being bitten or worse.. chunks of their flesh ripped out by the maniac. Not worth the risk to the officers. In this case, it is shoot first ask questions later. In this case, I agree with the deadly force. In this case. So now the officers (plural, remember, there were several) are scared not of being beat up, but of being bitten? That doesn't negate my overall point. Deadly force should not have been the first method used in this situation. How about a couple of these brave cops walk up to the guy and smack him in the head a few times with their batons? Maybe try that first? Think of all the diseases cannibal guy could have been carrying. This isn't your five year old brother biting you through a sweatshirt. I honestly think people have been watching too much Walking Dead. Are you saying the guy's mouth was squeaky clean? Everyone's mouth is a bacteria haven, not just this guy. If YOU bit your girlfriend too hard there's a good chance she'd get infected. Let me give you an expert's view: "The healthy human mouth is home to a tremendous variety of microbes including viruses, fungi, protozoa and bacteria," said Professor William Wade from King's College London Dental Institute. "The bacteria are the most numerous: there are 100 million in every millilitre of saliva and more than 600 different species in the mouth. Around half of these have yet to be named and we are trying to describe and name the new species." Scientists studied healthy tissue as well as tumours in the mouth and found three strains of bacteria called Prevotella that could not be identified. Prevotella species are part of the normal microbial flora in humans and are also associated with various oral diseases and infections in other parts of the body. The researchers named the new species Prevotella histicola; histicola means 'inhabitant of tissue'. "Interestingly, this species was isolated from within the oral tissues, both in oral cancers and normal, healthy tissue," said Professor Wade. "This confirms other work showing that oral bacteria can invade both tissues and individual cells." Tooth decay and gum disease are the most common bacterial diseases of man and are caused by changes in the microbes normally present in the mouth. To understand these diseases better, scientists first need to know which bacteria are present in human mouths. Understanding the composition of the oral microbiota will also help scientists devise new prevention measures and treatments for oral diseases. "A detailed description and name for each species of bacteria are needed so that different laboratories can recognise all of the bacterial species present in the mouth," said Professor Wade. If you want more info try this site: http://textbookofbacteriology.net/normalflora.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielmclark Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (treeduck @ May 31 2012, 01:56 PM) QUOTE (An Enemy Without @ May 31 2012, 12:24 PM)QUOTE (danielmclark @ May 31 2012, 07:33 AM) QUOTE (An Enemy Without @ May 30 2012, 11:26 PM) QUOTE (danielmclark @ May 29 2012, 12:40 PM) QUOTE (Lerxster @ May 29 2012, 11:15 AM) QUOTE (Lerxster @ May 29 2012, 11:44 AM) QUOTE (danielmclark @ May 29 2012, 11:05 AM) Just hope that you're not on the receiving end of some "heroic" cop with an itchy trigger-finger some day. Because you're completely justifying the "shoot first, ask questions later" mentality. You seem to want to celebrate it. And the guy they killed wasn't a zombie. It was a human being. Not an innocent, of course, but still a human being. People need to stop acting like this is something out of a video game. The only thing I'm celebrating is a job well done by the officer, based on the facts we know. Guy eating another human.. guy is shot but does not stop, so more gun shots end the attempted murder in progress. If some guy wacked out of his brain on whatever tried to eat you alive, I would hope the police would do the same for you. And, not to belabor my point, but one point I forgot to bring up is.. this criminal also appears to be a cannibal (or at least on that day). The officer(s) were at risk of being bitten or worse.. chunks of their flesh ripped out by the maniac. Not worth the risk to the officers. In this case, it is shoot first ask questions later. In this case, I agree with the deadly force. In this case. So now the officers (plural, remember, there were several) are scared not of being beat up, but of being bitten? That doesn't negate my overall point. Deadly force should not have been the first method used in this situation. How about a couple of these brave cops walk up to the guy and smack him in the head a few times with their batons? Maybe try that first? Think of all the diseases cannibal guy could have been carrying. This isn't your five year old brother biting you through a sweatshirt. I honestly think people have been watching too much Walking Dead. Are you saying the guy's mouth was squeaky clean? Everyone's mouth is a bacteria haven, not just this guy. If YOU bit your girlfriend too hard there's a good chance she'd get infected. Let me give you an expert's view: "The healthy human mouth is home to a tremendous variety of microbes including viruses, fungi, protozoa and bacteria," said Professor William Wade from King's College London Dental Institute. "The bacteria are the most numerous: there are 100 million in every millilitre of saliva and more than 600 different species in the mouth. Around half of these have yet to be named and we are trying to describe and name the new species." Scientists studied healthy tissue as well as tumours in the mouth and found three strains of bacteria called Prevotella that could not be identified. Prevotella species are part of the normal microbial flora in humans and are also associated with various oral diseases and infections in other parts of the body. The researchers named the new species Prevotella histicola; histicola means 'inhabitant of tissue'. "Interestingly, this species was isolated from within the oral tissues, both in oral cancers and normal, healthy tissue," said Professor Wade. "This confirms other work showing that oral bacteria can invade both tissues and individual cells." Tooth decay and gum disease are the most common bacterial diseases of man and are caused by changes in the microbes normally present in the mouth. To understand these diseases better, scientists first need to know which bacteria are present in human mouths. Understanding the composition of the oral microbiota will also help scientists devise new prevention measures and treatments for oral diseases. "A detailed description and name for each species of bacteria are needed so that different laboratories can recognise all of the bacterial species present in the mouth," said Professor Wade. If you want more info try this site: http://textbookofbacteriology.net/normalflora.html And now that we have this knowledge, I guess you cowboys from earlier in the thread will all say that cops should shoot anyone they feel like from now on? After all, we all have mouths... we all *might* bite a cop... "officer, why did you shoot that man?" "His mouth is full of germs, you never know who might try to bite you." Edited May 31, 2012 by danielmclark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted May 31, 2012 Author Share Posted May 31, 2012 QUOTE (danielmclark @ May 31 2012, 03:23 PM) QUOTE (treeduck @ May 31 2012, 01:56 PM) QUOTE (An Enemy Without @ May 31 2012, 12:24 PM)QUOTE (danielmclark @ May 31 2012, 07:33 AM) QUOTE (An Enemy Without @ May 30 2012, 11:26 PM) QUOTE (danielmclark @ May 29 2012, 12:40 PM) QUOTE (Lerxster @ May 29 2012, 11:15 AM) QUOTE (Lerxster @ May 29 2012, 11:44 AM) QUOTE (danielmclark @ May 29 2012, 11:05 AM) Just hope that you're not on the receiving end of some "heroic" cop with an itchy trigger-finger some day. Because you're completely justifying the "shoot first, ask questions later" mentality. You seem to want to celebrate it. And the guy they killed wasn't a zombie. It was a human being. Not an innocent, of course, but still a human being. People need to stop acting like this is something out of a video game. The only thing I'm celebrating is a job well done by the officer, based on the facts we know. Guy eating another human.. guy is shot but does not stop, so more gun shots end the attempted murder in progress. If some guy wacked out of his brain on whatever tried to eat you alive, I would hope the police would do the same for you. And, not to belabor my point, but one point I forgot to bring up is.. this criminal also appears to be a cannibal (or at least on that day). The officer(s) were at risk of being bitten or worse.. chunks of their flesh ripped out by the maniac. Not worth the risk to the officers. In this case, it is shoot first ask questions later. In this case, I agree with the deadly force. In this case. So now the officers (plural, remember, there were several) are scared not of being beat up, but of being bitten? That doesn't negate my overall point. Deadly force should not have been the first method used in this situation. How about a couple of these brave cops walk up to the guy and smack him in the head a few times with their batons? Maybe try that first? Think of all the diseases cannibal guy could have been carrying. This isn't your five year old brother biting you through a sweatshirt. I honestly think people have been watching too much Walking Dead. Are you saying the guy's mouth was squeaky clean? Everyone's mouth is a bacteria haven, not just this guy. If YOU bit your girlfriend too hard there's a good chance she'd get infected. Let me give you an expert's view: "The healthy human mouth is home to a tremendous variety of microbes including viruses, fungi, protozoa and bacteria," said Professor William Wade from King's College London Dental Institute. "The bacteria are the most numerous: there are 100 million in every millilitre of saliva and more than 600 different species in the mouth. Around half of these have yet to be named and we are trying to describe and name the new species." Scientists studied healthy tissue as well as tumours in the mouth and found three strains of bacteria called Prevotella that could not be identified. Prevotella species are part of the normal microbial flora in humans and are also associated with various oral diseases and infections in other parts of the body. The researchers named the new species Prevotella histicola; histicola means 'inhabitant of tissue'. "Interestingly, this species was isolated from within the oral tissues, both in oral cancers and normal, healthy tissue," said Professor Wade. "This confirms other work showing that oral bacteria can invade both tissues and individual cells." Tooth decay and gum disease are the most common bacterial diseases of man and are caused by changes in the microbes normally present in the mouth. To understand these diseases better, scientists first need to know which bacteria are present in human mouths. Understanding the composition of the oral microbiota will also help scientists devise new prevention measures and treatments for oral diseases. "A detailed description and name for each species of bacteria are needed so that different laboratories can recognise all of the bacterial species present in the mouth," said Professor Wade. If you want more info try this site: http://textbookofbacteriology.net/normalflora.html And now that we have this knowledge, I guess you cowboys from earlier in the thread will all say that cops should shoot anyone they feel like from now on? After all, we all have mouths... we all *might* bite a cop... "officer, why did you shoot that man?" "His mouth is full of germs, you never know who might try to bite you." Now you're just being silly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielmclark Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 QUOTE (treeduck @ May 31 2012, 02:31 PM) QUOTE (danielmclark @ May 31 2012, 03:23 PM) QUOTE (treeduck @ May 31 2012, 01:56 PM) QUOTE (An Enemy Without @ May 31 2012, 12:24 PM)QUOTE (danielmclark @ May 31 2012, 07:33 AM) QUOTE (An Enemy Without @ May 30 2012, 11:26 PM) QUOTE (danielmclark @ May 29 2012, 12:40 PM) QUOTE (Lerxster @ May 29 2012, 11:15 AM) QUOTE (Lerxster @ May 29 2012, 11:44 AM) QUOTE (danielmclark @ May 29 2012, 11:05 AM) Just hope that you're not on the receiving end of some "heroic" cop with an itchy trigger-finger some day. Because you're completely justifying the "shoot first, ask questions later" mentality. You seem to want to celebrate it. And the guy they killed wasn't a zombie. It was a human being. Not an innocent, of course, but still a human being. People need to stop acting like this is something out of a video game. The only thing I'm celebrating is a job well done by the officer, based on the facts we know. Guy eating another human.. guy is shot but does not stop, so more gun shots end the attempted murder in progress. If some guy wacked out of his brain on whatever tried to eat you alive, I would hope the police would do the same for you. And, not to belabor my point, but one point I forgot to bring up is.. this criminal also appears to be a cannibal (or at least on that day). The officer(s) were at risk of being bitten or worse.. chunks of their flesh ripped out by the maniac. Not worth the risk to the officers. In this case, it is shoot first ask questions later. In this case, I agree with the deadly force. In this case. So now the officers (plural, remember, there were several) are scared not of being beat up, but of being bitten? That doesn't negate my overall point. Deadly force should not have been the first method used in this situation. How about a couple of these brave cops walk up to the guy and smack him in the head a few times with their batons? Maybe try that first? Think of all the diseases cannibal guy could have been carrying. This isn't your five year old brother biting you through a sweatshirt. I honestly think people have been watching too much Walking Dead. Are you saying the guy's mouth was squeaky clean? Everyone's mouth is a bacteria haven, not just this guy. If YOU bit your girlfriend too hard there's a good chance she'd get infected. Let me give you an expert's view: "The healthy human mouth is home to a tremendous variety of microbes including viruses, fungi, protozoa and bacteria," said Professor William Wade from King's College London Dental Institute. "The bacteria are the most numerous: there are 100 million in every millilitre of saliva and more than 600 different species in the mouth. Around half of these have yet to be named and we are trying to describe and name the new species." Scientists studied healthy tissue as well as tumours in the mouth and found three strains of bacteria called Prevotella that could not be identified. Prevotella species are part of the normal microbial flora in humans and are also associated with various oral diseases and infections in other parts of the body. The researchers named the new species Prevotella histicola; histicola means 'inhabitant of tissue'. "Interestingly, this species was isolated from within the oral tissues, both in oral cancers and normal, healthy tissue," said Professor Wade. "This confirms other work showing that oral bacteria can invade both tissues and individual cells." Tooth decay and gum disease are the most common bacterial diseases of man and are caused by changes in the microbes normally present in the mouth. To understand these diseases better, scientists first need to know which bacteria are present in human mouths. Understanding the composition of the oral microbiota will also help scientists devise new prevention measures and treatments for oral diseases. "A detailed description and name for each species of bacteria are needed so that different laboratories can recognise all of the bacterial species present in the mouth," said Professor Wade. If you want more info try this site: http://textbookofbacteriology.net/normalflora.html And now that we have this knowledge, I guess you cowboys from earlier in the thread will all say that cops should shoot anyone they feel like from now on? After all, we all have mouths... we all *might* bite a cop... "officer, why did you shoot that man?" "His mouth is full of germs, you never know who might try to bite you." Now you're just being silly... Maybe a little. But a few people have suggested that shooting and killing this guy was the right thing to do simply because he might try to bite a cop. That does beg the question... from now on, if a cop thinks someone might try to bite him, does that give him the right to kill him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted May 31, 2012 Author Share Posted May 31, 2012 QUOTE (danielmclark @ May 31 2012, 03:35 PM) QUOTE (treeduck @ May 31 2012, 02:31 PM) QUOTE (danielmclark @ May 31 2012, 03:23 PM) QUOTE (treeduck @ May 31 2012, 01:56 PM) QUOTE (An Enemy Without @ May 31 2012, 12:24 PM)QUOTE (danielmclark @ May 31 2012, 07:33 AM) QUOTE (An Enemy Without @ May 30 2012, 11:26 PM) QUOTE (danielmclark @ May 29 2012, 12:40 PM) QUOTE (Lerxster @ May 29 2012, 11:15 AM) QUOTE (Lerxster @ May 29 2012, 11:44 AM) QUOTE (danielmclark @ May 29 2012, 11:05 AM) Just hope that you're not on the receiving end of some "heroic" cop with an itchy trigger-finger some day. Because you're completely justifying the "shoot first, ask questions later" mentality. You seem to want to celebrate it. And the guy they killed wasn't a zombie. It was a human being. Not an innocent, of course, but still a human being. People need to stop acting like this is something out of a video game. The only thing I'm celebrating is a job well done by the officer, based on the facts we know. Guy eating another human.. guy is shot but does not stop, so more gun shots end the attempted murder in progress. If some guy wacked out of his brain on whatever tried to eat you alive, I would hope the police would do the same for you. And, not to belabor my point, but one point I forgot to bring up is.. this criminal also appears to be a cannibal (or at least on that day). The officer(s) were at risk of being bitten or worse.. chunks of their flesh ripped out by the maniac. Not worth the risk to the officers. In this case, it is shoot first ask questions later. In this case, I agree with the deadly force. In this case. So now the officers (plural, remember, there were several) are scared not of being beat up, but of being bitten? That doesn't negate my overall point. Deadly force should not have been the first method used in this situation. How about a couple of these brave cops walk up to the guy and smack him in the head a few times with their batons? Maybe try that first? Think of all the diseases cannibal guy could have been carrying. This isn't your five year old brother biting you through a sweatshirt. I honestly think people have been watching too much Walking Dead. Are you saying the guy's mouth was squeaky clean? Everyone's mouth is a bacteria haven, not just this guy. If YOU bit your girlfriend too hard there's a good chance she'd get infected. Let me give you an expert's view: "The healthy human mouth is home to a tremendous variety of microbes including viruses, fungi, protozoa and bacteria," said Professor William Wade from King's College London Dental Institute. "The bacteria are the most numerous: there are 100 million in every millilitre of saliva and more than 600 different species in the mouth. Around half of these have yet to be named and we are trying to describe and name the new species." Scientists studied healthy tissue as well as tumours in the mouth and found three strains of bacteria called Prevotella that could not be identified. Prevotella species are part of the normal microbial flora in humans and are also associated with various oral diseases and infections in other parts of the body. The researchers named the new species Prevotella histicola; histicola means 'inhabitant of tissue'. "Interestingly, this species was isolated from within the oral tissues, both in oral cancers and normal, healthy tissue," said Professor Wade. "This confirms other work showing that oral bacteria can invade both tissues and individual cells." Tooth decay and gum disease are the most common bacterial diseases of man and are caused by changes in the microbes normally present in the mouth. To understand these diseases better, scientists first need to know which bacteria are present in human mouths. Understanding the composition of the oral microbiota will also help scientists devise new prevention measures and treatments for oral diseases. "A detailed description and name for each species of bacteria are needed so that different laboratories can recognise all of the bacterial species present in the mouth," said Professor Wade. If you want more info try this site: http://textbookofbacteriology.net/normalflora.html And now that we have this knowledge, I guess you cowboys from earlier in the thread will all say that cops should shoot anyone they feel like from now on? After all, we all have mouths... we all *might* bite a cop... "officer, why did you shoot that man?" "His mouth is full of germs, you never know who might try to bite you." Now you're just being silly... Maybe a little. But a few people have suggested that shooting and killing this guy was the right thing to do simply because he might try to bite a cop. That does beg the question... from now on, if a cop thinks someone might try to bite him, does that give him the right to kill him? It was the right thing to do to stop him killing that guy and to save his one eye that was remaining! Another couple of minutes and he would have chewed out his throat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xanadoood Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 QUOTE (danielmclark @ May 31 2012, 03:35 PM) QUOTE (treeduck @ May 31 2012, 02:31 PM) QUOTE (danielmclark @ May 31 2012, 03:23 PM) QUOTE (treeduck @ May 31 2012, 01:56 PM) QUOTE (An Enemy Without @ May 31 2012, 12:24 PM)QUOTE (danielmclark @ May 31 2012, 07:33 AM) QUOTE (An Enemy Without @ May 30 2012, 11:26 PM) QUOTE (danielmclark @ May 29 2012, 12:40 PM) QUOTE (Lerxster @ May 29 2012, 11:15 AM) QUOTE (Lerxster @ May 29 2012, 11:44 AM) QUOTE (danielmclark @ May 29 2012, 11:05 AM) Just hope that you're not on the receiving end of some "heroic" cop with an itchy trigger-finger some day. Because you're completely justifying the "shoot first, ask questions later" mentality. You seem to want to celebrate it. And the guy they killed wasn't a zombie. It was a human being. Not an innocent, of course, but still a human being. People need to stop acting like this is something out of a video game. The only thing I'm celebrating is a job well done by the officer, based on the facts we know. Guy eating another human.. guy is shot but does not stop, so more gun shots end the attempted murder in progress. If some guy wacked out of his brain on whatever tried to eat you alive, I would hope the police would do the same for you. And, not to belabor my point, but one point I forgot to bring up is.. this criminal also appears to be a cannibal (or at least on that day). The officer(s) were at risk of being bitten or worse.. chunks of their flesh ripped out by the maniac. Not worth the risk to the officers. In this case, it is shoot first ask questions later. In this case, I agree with the deadly force. In this case. So now the officers (plural, remember, there were several) are scared not of being beat up, but of being bitten? That doesn't negate my overall point. Deadly force should not have been the first method used in this situation. How about a couple of these brave cops walk up to the guy and smack him in the head a few times with their batons? Maybe try that first? Think of all the diseases cannibal guy could have been carrying. This isn't your five year old brother biting you through a sweatshirt. I honestly think people have been watching too much Walking Dead. Are you saying the guy's mouth was squeaky clean? Everyone's mouth is a bacteria haven, not just this guy. If YOU bit your girlfriend too hard there's a good chance she'd get infected. Let me give you an expert's view: "The healthy human mouth is home to a tremendous variety of microbes including viruses, fungi, protozoa and bacteria," said Professor William Wade from King's College London Dental Institute. "The bacteria are the most numerous: there are 100 million in every millilitre of saliva and more than 600 different species in the mouth. Around half of these have yet to be named and we are trying to describe and name the new species." Scientists studied healthy tissue as well as tumours in the mouth and found three strains of bacteria called Prevotella that could not be identified. Prevotella species are part of the normal microbial flora in humans and are also associated with various oral diseases and infections in other parts of the body. The researchers named the new species Prevotella histicola; histicola means 'inhabitant of tissue'. "Interestingly, this species was isolated from within the oral tissues, both in oral cancers and normal, healthy tissue," said Professor Wade. "This confirms other work showing that oral bacteria can invade both tissues and individual cells." Tooth decay and gum disease are the most common bacterial diseases of man and are caused by changes in the microbes normally present in the mouth. To understand these diseases better, scientists first need to know which bacteria are present in human mouths. Understanding the composition of the oral microbiota will also help scientists devise new prevention measures and treatments for oral diseases. "A detailed description and name for each species of bacteria are needed so that different laboratories can recognise all of the bacterial species present in the mouth," said Professor Wade. If you want more info try this site: http://textbookofbacteriology.net/normalflora.html And now that we have this knowledge, I guess you cowboys from earlier in the thread will all say that cops should shoot anyone they feel like from now on? After all, we all have mouths... we all *might* bite a cop... "officer, why did you shoot that man?" "His mouth is full of germs, you never know who might try to bite you." Now you're just being silly... Maybe a little. But a few people have suggested that shooting and killing this guy was the right thing to do simply because he might try to bite a cop. That does beg the question... from now on, if a cop thinks someone might try to bite him, does that give him the right to kill him? He was biting the flesh off of another mans face!!! He growled at the cop with chunks hanging from his mouth... He clearly was a threat to the cop and anyone in close proximity.. And he was butt naked..come on man.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Enemy Without Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 If I saw a guy eating another man's face, and that guy came after me, I think I would be pretty sure he would try to bite me too. It's just common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielmclark Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 QUOTE (An Enemy Without @ May 31 2012, 03:32 PM) If I saw a guy eating another man's face, and that guy came after me, I think I would be pretty sure he would try to bite me too. It's just common sense. I'm not suggesting he wouldn't try to bite someone else, I'm suggesting that a trained police officer with his various tools and weapons - and with other cops helping - could *probably* keep Mr. Naked McBiteyPants at bay long enough to subdue him... and if they couldn't, they shouldn't be allowed to walk a beat. I don't think shooting and killing someone should be a last resort, but I also don't think it should be the FIRST THING YOU TRY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KidGloves Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 QUOTE (mazyyz @ May 30 2012, 07:34 AM) I heard there pictures of the guys face floating around. Anyone see them? I've seen them. My advice: Do not look if you can help it! They are horrifying to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troutman Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 And there seems to be more of them out there. http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2012/05/31/m...-found-in-home/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troutman Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 Then there is this sick SOB! http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/...op-killing.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted June 1, 2012 Author Share Posted June 1, 2012 Yeah TM I saw those stories and there's also these, all of them very recent: http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-0...ite-animals-bit http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-21...ate-affair.html http://www.ksee24.com/news/local/Zombie-Al...-156010815.html Just googling that last story all I typed was "Man throws" and the whole thing popped up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troutman Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 QUOTE (treeduck @ May 31 2012, 04:53 PM)Yeah TM I saw those stories and there's also these, all of them very recent: http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-0...ite-animals-bit http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-21...ate-affair.html http://www.ksee24.com/news/local/Zombie-Al...-156010815.html Just googling that last story all I typed was "Man throws" and the whole thing popped up... Yeah, Some pretty sick sh** in the world these days. This is just my personal view on it. I think there is just to much glorified violence on TV and video games. Who knows what else triggers these sick fu***? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Godeater2112 Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (danielmclark @ May 31 2012, 04:23 PM) QUOTE (danielmclark @ May 29 2012, 11:05 AM) Just hope that you're not on the receiving end of some "heroic" cop with an itchy trigger-finger some day. Because you're completely justifying the "shoot first, ask questions later" mentality. You seem to want to celebrate it. And the guy they killed wasn't a zombie. It was a human being. Not an innocent, of course, but still a human being. People need to stop acting like this is something out of a video game. I'm reading this thread since we've been talking about these violent outbreaks at work this morning. I guess you and I disagree on a lot of things, because if police don't shoot and kill a naked man eating a living man's face in broad daylight, who exactly does deserve to be shot? Imagine being there and dealing with that situation. I can almost not think of any situation where someone is "begging to be shot" as badly as this guy was. Holy cow. Edited June 1, 2012 by Godeater2112 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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