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Oh man... honestly, I'd do a search here and check out a couple of old threads. Some very (very) vocal people are adamantly against the Sectors releases because they don't like the new mixes. Other people (the majority, I think - and I'm not just saying that, I objectively think it's the majority) approve of them.

 

I like them. I don't think any one album stands out on the whole for me (maybe Signals), but I love what they've done with some specific songs, like Mission.

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Dont waste your money. They're all brickwalled to hell and have no dynamic range. Now, if you like albums that are mastered so loud they make your ears bleed, then the Sector remasters are for you. If you want the best sounding versions on CD, look for the original unremastered CD's.
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QUOTE (ak2112 @ Apr 21 2012, 07:56 PM)
Dont waste your money. They're all brickwalled to hell and have no dynamic range. Now, if you like albums that are mastered so loud they make your ears bleed, then the Sector remasters are for you. If you want the best sounding versions on CD, look for the original unremastered CD's.

OP, this is the very vocal minority Daniel was talking about smile.gif

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QUOTE (ak2112 @ Apr 21 2012, 06:56 PM)
Dont waste your money.  They're all brickwalled to hell and have no dynamic range.  Now, if you like albums that are mastered so loud they make your ears bleed, then the Sector remasters are for you.  If you want the best sounding versions on CD, look for the original unremastered CD's.

Indeed totally

 

These boxes remastered by Andy VanDette are pure shit. Compressed dynamic range, pure headache and ear fatigue. Rush destroyed!. I have the MSFL versions, The 1997 digital mastering versions and the original first pressing editions. The best are the originals

 

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http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/details.php?id=703

 

http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/details.php?id=17889

 

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QUOTE (danielmclark @ Apr 21 2012, 06:36 PM)
Oh man... honestly, I'd do a search here and check out a couple of old threads. Some very (very) vocal people are adamantly against the Sectors releases because they don't like the new mixes. Other people (the majority, I think - and I'm not just saying that, I objectively think it's the majority) approve of them.

I like them. I don't think any one album stands out on the whole for me (maybe Signals), but I love what they've done with some specific songs, like Mission.

I agree, i really enjoy the Sectors sets. I don't understand the bashing that they get. 2.gif

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QUOTE (WCFIELDS @ Apr 21 2012, 08:22 PM)
I notice a pretty big difference in HYF and ESL.....both sound quite a bit better...

Hmm, I'd love a better-sounding version of HYF. I like the album, but the mastering always sounded totally flat/dull/lackluster....

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QUOTE (CrossedSignals @ Apr 21 2012, 07:24 PM)
QUOTE (WCFIELDS @ Apr 21 2012, 08:22 PM)
I notice a pretty big difference in HYF and ESL.....both sound quite a bit better...

Hmm, I'd love a better-sounding version of HYF. I like the album, but the mastering always sounded totally flat/dull/lackluster....

The sectors version? To me it sounds better. I really like the way the bass cones through..

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QUOTE (WCFIELDS @ Apr 21 2012, 08:26 PM)
QUOTE (CrossedSignals @ Apr 21 2012, 07:24 PM)
QUOTE (WCFIELDS @ Apr 21 2012, 08:22 PM)
I notice a pretty big difference in HYF and ESL.....both sound quite a bit better...

Hmm, I'd love a better-sounding version of HYF. I like the album, but the mastering always sounded totally flat/dull/lackluster....

The sectors version? To me it sounds better. I really like the way the bass cones through..

No, I meant the original version. I haven't heard the Sectors version yet.... I bet it does sound better!

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Brickwalled? definitely not. Louder? duh.

 

every CD thats mastered nowadays is louder just to be competitive. It's inevitable. that doesn't mean that they're "brickwalled". Vapor Trails is brickwalled, Death Magnetic is brickwalled. listen to the sectors versions of La Villa Strangiato or a Farewell to Kings and tell me thats "brickwalled". they're louder, clearer and warmer (in my opinion) than recent CD mixes, but NOT "brickwalled".

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QUOTE (Dylan2712 @ Apr 22 2012, 02:18 AM)
Brickwalled? definitely not. Louder? duh.

every CD thats mastered nowadays is louder just to be competitive. It's inevitable. that doesn't mean that they're "brickwalled". Vapor Trails is brickwalled, Death Magnetic is brickwalled. listen to the sectors versions of La Villa Strangiato or a Farewell to Kings and tell me thats "brickwalled". they're louder, clearer and warmer (in my opinion) than recent CD mixes, but NOT "brickwalled".

 

YYZ: Exit... Stage Left - The Rush Remasters 1997

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YYZ: Exit... Stage Left - Sector Box 2011

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Exit Stage Left sounds better
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QUOTE (brunosamppa @ Apr 22 2012, 08:35 AM)


YYZ: Exit... Stage Left - Sector Box 2011
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Holy shit, that's about as bad as any brand new music available today! I was considering getting those Sectors sets, but now forget it!

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I'd like to see the scale on which those waveforms are based, otherwise they mean nothing. If they are comparable, then obviously they are louder. like i said, all music mastered today is made to be loud so that "common folk" like it. But that doesn't mean its "brickwalled".

 

to clarify, this i what i mean by "brickwalled";

 

"I call something brickwalled when there are no dynamics left in the music. Everything is so limited and compressed that all passages of the music are the same volume. Songs mastered this way are perceived to be LOUD LOUD LOUD! Also, when viewing a waveform in an audio editor, the waveform of something that is brickwalled doesn't have peaks and valleys, and instead look like a two by four."

 

key words: NO DYNAMICS, ALL PASSAGES are the same volume.

 

Again, while your example clearly shows the sectors to be louder, there are still dynamics in the music.

 

This is brickwalled:

 

Top: Earthshine (Vapor Trails) Bottom: Earthshine (Retrospective 3)

 

http://i452.photobucket.com/albums/qq250/the27man/Earthshinecompare.png

 

Clearly you can see that at the same passage, one waveform is maxed out at -0.1 dB, while the other is significantly lower, probably around -3dB.

 

BUT THE WAVEFORMS LOOK SIMILAR!!!!

 

Hold on cowboy, since when did music mean looking at a waveform? I thought you listened to music with your ears?

 

Here is Working Man, top: "Gold", bottom "Sector 1-Rush"

 

http://i452.photobucket.com/albums/qq250/the27man/WorkingManCompare-1.png

 

Clearly the bottom is louder, but neither is brickwalled. To me, the Sectors version of "Rush" sounds clearer and crisper, but thats just my opinion.

 

I don't own any of the Rush 97 remastered albums, so i can't completely say that the Sectors discs are the best, but they are much better than the "Gold" compilation disc i have (especially the songs from Rush to A Farewell to Kings). If any of you like the 97 remasters or original CDs compared to the sectors versions, it doesn't make any difference to me. I just wanted to say that while LOUDER, the sectors disc are definitely NOT "brickwalled".

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Compressed music is shit.

 

DR Scale:

 

Bad

1 2 3 4 5 6 7

Transition

8 9 10 11 12 13

Good

14 15 16 17 18 19 20

 

 

Exit...Stage Left - Sector

http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/details.php?id=17884

Exit Stage Left - Original

http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/details.php?id=16153

 

Hemispheres - Sector

http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/details.php?id=17879

Hemispheres - Original

http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/details.php?id=17786

 

2112 - Sector

http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/details.php?id=17876

2112 - Original

http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/details.php?id=17787

 

Caress of Steel - Sector

http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/details.php?id=17875

Caress of Steel - Original

http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/details.php?id=17275

 

Power Windows - Sector

http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/details.php?id=17889

Power Windows - Original

http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/details.php?id=18799

 

Some more here: http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/index.php?...h&search_album=

 

The problem is not volume, the problem is COMPRESSION. Lacks dynamic range. 062802puke_prv.gif

 

The money is your and ears too. If you like this... go enjoy unsure.gif

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QUOTE (brunosamppa @ Apr 22 2012, 01:06 PM)
Compressed music is shit.

DR Scale:

Bad
1 2 3 4 5 6 7
Transition
8 9 10 11 12 13
Good
14 15 16 17 18 19 20

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The problem is not volume, the problem is COMPRESSION. Lacks dynamic range. 062802puke_prv.gif

The money is your and ears too. If you like this... go enjoy unsure.gif

1) you must not listen to music at all then, because every passage of music has compression on it in some form. Compression is a tool, use it well and you get a good mix, use it bad and you get a bad mix. to say that "compressed music is shit" is ridiculous.

 

2) that scale is laughable. "Bad", "Good" -it's completely subject-able.

 

3) Are you basing your view on these sectors on research that you've done with your own ears, or just through waveforms and online numbers?

 

Im not trying to change your view, clearly you don't like how they sound, And im not arguing that they aren't louder or they don't use compression. Even if they are louder, there is can still be dynamic range and i think they did a good job remastering the box set for a "new era".

 

My background is that i am an audio engineering student, so i am constantly learning about mixing music properly and i make it a case to avoid over compression for my mixes. My range of hearing is approximately between 30Hz and 18kHz, I have a wide range of musical tastes and i listen to all music objectively. That being said, i am still learning and i enjoy discussions like this because sometimes i pick up on something i missed before.

 

But i firmly believe that if you're gonna review a remastered set and say it's bad because it is louder, you had better have listened to it. if you can tell there's compression by using your ears, then you have a case. but if you just go by some online database and someone else's words, then i think you should re-evaluate your opinion. but i don't know if you've listened to them, have you? i mean no disrespect; i'd like to take you on your own words rather than a colourful number chart someone else made.

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QUOTE (brunosamppa @ Apr 22 2012, 02:06 PM)
Compressed music is shit.

Since you're the one coming in here all full of bluster and putting things down, tell us what you think of this, and then I'll tell you what it is.

 

http://qaqn.com/images/outbound/quiz-song.png

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If you don't have the catalog then sure. Another option would be to track down the remasters that are now going for $5 at some places (Walmart & Best Buy). Can't recommend blowing money on the MFSL versions UNLESS you can find them for a reasonable price. I'll just say that I've compared the Moving Pictures MFSL disc along with the remaster and Pbthal's vinyl rip. The MFSL sounded the worst to me.
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Ok, Dylan2712

 

You are audio enginering student. I am a audiophile and rush fan. Different point of views... you have a flag

 

But i believe the music is made to the public in general and fans, not engineers.

 

I have all editions of Rush Catalogue... Originals CD press., MFSL, Audio Fidelity, 97 remasters, SHM-CD (that edition uses mixed masters, some originals and 97 remasters) e some Vinyls. Well, i know what sounds good for me. The visual representantions in waveforms and meters is paramet for quality? No, but is VERY representative, and very serious thing

 

I know the mastering process, compressors, EQ an all that things. Yeah, an album need a mastering, but not these terribles digital compressors bringing the music lacks and more lack of dynamic range.

 

 

 

sorry my poor English, i feel limited to explain more...

 

Quality over all. Peace

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QUOTE (canadianice @ Apr 23 2012, 04:26 PM)
People can put up all the pretty pictures and graphs and charts they want.To my ears Sectors sound fantastic 2.gif

Just picked up Sector 3 recently (mostly for the Hold Your fire remixes) and so far I like them much better than the 1997 remasters, but not as much as the orginal Atomic CDs and the vinyl.

 

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