troutman Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 QUOTE (treeduck @ Mar 21 2012, 11:21 PM)QUOTE (troutman @ Mar 21 2012, 10:15 PM) QUOTE (treeduck @ Mar 21 2012, 02:17 PM)One thing I will say, for people who want the NFL to become the Flag Football League, that day is a little closer... Well, I agree on the flag football thing. But putting a bounty out on players is another. Your so fu**** this year. Naaa I think we'll be fine. We've got plenty of time to plan before the season, we have good coaches to run the team, Carmichael, Spags and Kromer and Brees can run that offense himself... Most of the players who'll be suspended are no longer with the team... Throw in the towel boy and your set. Seriously though, it will be interesting to see what comes of all of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted March 23, 2012 Author Share Posted March 23, 2012 QUOTE (lerxt1990 @ Mar 22 2012, 10:37 PM) Play hard. Hit hard. But don't be a douchebag, and dont be a f-cking moron, an dplay within the rules. One can play well within the rules, not be a thug, and still hit with bone crushing forces. No sympathy for these guys. None. I know you've got sympathy for THE SAINTS fans though, who are blameless and yet will feel the full effects of this punishment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted March 23, 2012 Author Share Posted March 23, 2012 QUOTE (troutman @ Mar 22 2012, 11:00 PM) QUOTE (treeduck @ Mar 21 2012, 11:21 PM)QUOTE (troutman @ Mar 21 2012, 10:15 PM) QUOTE (treeduck @ Mar 21 2012, 02:17 PM)One thing I will say, for people who want the NFL to become the Flag Football League, that day is a little closer... Well, I agree on the flag football thing. But putting a bounty out on players is another. Your so fu**** this year. Naaa I think we'll be fine. We've got plenty of time to plan before the season, we have good coaches to run the team, Carmichael, Spags and Kromer and Brees can run that offense himself... Most of the players who'll be suspended are no longer with the team... Throw in the towel boy and your set. Seriously though, it will be interesting to see what comes of all of this. Yeah it's gonna be interesting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted March 23, 2012 Author Share Posted March 23, 2012 ...meanwhile Tracy Porter is off to the AFC West like Robert Meachem, but Porter's teaming up with Manning and the TEBOWLESS BRONCOS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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laughedatbytime Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 QUOTE (treeduck @ Mar 23 2012, 01:10 AM) ...meanwhile Tracy Porter is off to the AFC West like Robert Meachem, but Porter's teaming up with Manning and the TEBOWLESS BRONCOS! If you can't beat Peyton Manning, join 'em. Oh wait.... I wonder if Porter is just going there to rub it in with Peyton...I can just see that meeting. "Hey Peyton, it's Tracy Porter. Remember me? Remember that time in the Super Bowl when you guys were driving for a game winning touchdown, and then you threw the ball to me and I ran it all the way back?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted March 23, 2012 Author Share Posted March 23, 2012 QUOTE (laughedatbytime @ Mar 23 2012, 04:32 AM) QUOTE (treeduck @ Mar 23 2012, 01:10 AM) ...meanwhile Tracy Porter is off to the AFC West like Robert Meachem, but Porter's teaming up with Manning and the TEBOWLESS BRONCOS! If you can't beat Peyton Manning, join 'em. Oh wait.... I wonder if Porter is just going there to rub it in with Peyton...I can just see that meeting. "Hey Peyton, it's Tracy Porter. Remember me? Remember that time in the Super Bowl when you guys were driving for a game winning touchdown, and then you threw the ball to me and I ran it all the way back?" He'll be going up against his old pal Meachem twice a year too, one on one maybe... Peyton probably demanded that guy who picked him off on his team, even if he's on the bench, just to end the nightmares... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lerxt1990 Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 QUOTE (treeduck @ Mar 23 2012, 03:07 AM) QUOTE (lerxt1990 @ Mar 22 2012, 10:37 PM) Play hard. Hit hard. But don't be a douchebag, and dont be a f-cking moron, an dplay within the rules. One can play well within the rules, not be a thug, and still hit with bone crushing forces. No sympathy for these guys. None. I know you've got sympathy for THE SAINTS fans though, who are blameless and yet will feel the full effects of this punishment! Absolutely!!! THEY are the ones that got screwed here!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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treeduck Posted March 25, 2012 Author Share Posted March 25, 2012 SAINTS sign former Failcaint LB Curtis Lofton! That's Ben Grubbs, Brodrick Bunkley, Lofton, Chris Chamberlain and the resigning of Marques Colston, not a bad couple of weeks of free agency... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost In Xanadu Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 from czabe.com: QUOTE The NFL has come down with the Death Penalty for the Saints. To date, no coach in the history of the league has been suspended for even a single game. Sean Payton gets 1 year. A year! Perfect. I warned everyone about Goodell, a long, long time ago. So my conscience is clean. This guy is not just not that smart, his ego is apparently the size of Montana. It's all about HIM, and what HE has done to improve player safety, and about how HE was "lied" to, and HIM, HIM, HIM! I don't know if Sean Payton and the Saints "lied" to the commish during this "investigation." The league just implies that they did. The 10,000 page "investigation" and report on this matter, is not yet downloadable via PDF for us to make our own conclusions. And it never will. So if YOU just want to take this league's word on it, then go ahead. Most writers, columnists and talking heads who cover the NFL, have done just that, applauding the penalty as "harsh" but "right." It's like they are sitting with their legs crossed on the floor watching and clapping for the NFL's little puppet show. The real story, is that the NFL is running scared - very scared - about these concussion lawsuits. So throwing the Saints under the bus is a cheap price for some litigation insurance. Which means, I'm just rooting for the lawsuits now. I hope this league gets it's ASS handed to it in court, in a little Chinese takeout box. Of course there's a reason why many supposedly "independent" media outlets/journalists/pundits/talking heads are just mindlessly applauding the draconian penalties. It doesn't pay to be against this league, and this commissioner, in any way...... ANY.... Not that the NFL could get a columnist fired, but if you cover the NFL, who wants doors closing and calls going un-returned just because you have staked out a hard position that makes the NFL look bad? Luckily, a few smart people out there aren't just buying Goodell's punishment hook, line, and sinker. Randy Galloway of the Ft. Worth Star-Telegram cuts to the chase.... When Goodell was finally finished, the New Orleans Saints were placed in a commissioner-induced coma for the 2012 season, and the beating was so severe recovery after even one season is certainly not guaranteed, or even expected. Oohs and aahs were heard from a shocked yet pleased national media, and this was followed by appreciative standing O's in print. That'll teach 'em. That'll also send the message that the NFL is no place for organized violence if it comes in the form of "bounty" incentives. Goodell stopped that stuff, huh? The Saints, as an organization, received the toughest overall penalty in the history of the league, and the toughest in any sport since the death penalty ruling against SMU. We can, of course, use that SMU thing as a guideline, because 25 years later, the death penalty has never been used again by the NCAA, which certainly indicates to me that any form of cheating in college football ended immediately when the ruling came down in 1987. At least I can't recall any cheating scandals in college football, can you? Based on Goodell's explanation, he said he was lied to by the Saints when the "bounty" investigation first began, and that his original order to end the bounties was ignored for two years.For that -- the lying, and ignoring orders -- Goodell obviously blamed Payton more than anyone else in the Saints' organization. Again, we've only heard Goodell's side of the "lying" story, and because he's the NFL version of judge, jury and also the appellate court (appeals are accepted by the NFL, but Goodell hears the appeal of his own rulings) is it wise for anyone found guilty to speak up in protest? REACT: Thank you, Randy. THANK YOU. That's EXACTLY it. For numbnuts who say "well, Payton hasn't disputed any of this...." just think about it. IT DOES YOU NO GOOD! Not only do you have to re-try your case in front of the same guy who just bashed your head in, it makes you look feeble and dishonest trying to explain just YOUR side of the story, when the NFL is withholding some 10,000 pages of information that might actually make your side of the dispute look a whole lot better. And of course, the worst, most nauseating part of the whole story, is the "player safety" issue. My sweet ass it is. Dave M. in Ohio properly dissects that one..... This Sean Peyton thing cracks me up. I'm actually fine with the severity of the penalties. What do I care? But it's funny how the "narrative" quickly becomes distorted. For every Jaworski or Platscke who says..."I applaud the move..it's all about player safety" I just want to rip my hair out. No.It.Isn't. If you were really concerned about player safety you'd drop that 18 game nonsense and mandate the newer/safer helmets for all players. You'd mandate mouthguards (the real kind proven to reduce concussions) and you'd fit the helmets properly so they can't be removed like baseball caps. I know I sound like I'm channeling Easterbrook here and that troubles even me. But that's the truth. Safest equipment available and less overall contact by way of fewer games. That's step #1. Now onto his real motives and the illogic of the ESPN argument...Follow me on my logic train for a moment. The NFL new about this Saints stuff at least a couple years back. Their investigation fizzled without corroboration and all parties were warned to knock it off. Am I right? Peyton, Loomis, Benson? All warned to stop this a couple of years ago. But they were warned privately so as not to give the league a black eye on the issue. If you care about player safety then you do something at THAT point in time. Not now. Now? These penalties are as much, if not more, about having lied to the league, ignored the league, embarrassed the league. Ignoring the issue...failing to punish it THEN automatically negates the player safety cover for this. This is the parental equivalent of overlooking shoplifting of your tween and then sentencing them to 15 years in the pen when you find them still doing it years later. And again if this is all for PR?, fine. Who cares? But just say so then is my take. You want perjury type penalties in place? Fine? Put in place automatic year-long suspension "lying to commissioner during investigation" penalties if you want to. What I can't stand is the lack of consistency and feeling that the NFL deals with each new scandal from the seat of their pants. And it all comes back to Playmakers. They can't acknowledge the craziness that happens on their watch, let alone PLAN for the inevitable consequences. The NFL needs a starting point of penalties (with a range), a fairer appeals process, and to get their arms around what might happen next. How can these guys appear to get caught flat footed by every little thing? REACT: Great points here about how the NFL's FIRST instincts, were to keep the warnings ultra-PRIVATE, so as to avoid embarrassment. In other words, player safety was the LAST thing on their mind. Keeping a shiny gloss to the image of the mighty "Shield" was, however, the FIRST thing on their mind. Also, the equipment issue is a huge one. The league's crackdown on "illegal" hits is admirable - in theory - but it's just one piece of the puzzle. And it's the piece that costs the league the LEAST amount of money. In fact, it MAKES them money! Fine the players! There, that was easy! Not pushing for 18 games would COST money. Playing just two pre-season games would COST money. Purchasing and mandating new high-tech helmets would COST money. The league has very little interest in any of this. Player safety. Pffftt. Get outta here with that. The "net-net" of all of this, is that the league as we once knew it, is gone for good. It was once a legitimate sports league, operated by a central authority that knew the limits of its legal and ethical boundaries. There were rules and they were known and agreed upon. The Commissioner's power was not as over-arching and limitless as it now, obviously is. The league existed to make money before, of course, but now it's lust for more and more profit, and less risk at any cost for its member teams is beyond insatiable. The league is also in the greatest peril for lanscape re-shaping legal verdicts on multiple fronts that it has been for many years. Let me summarize them. Player Lawsuits vs. NFL on concussions (actual and numerous) Cowboys/Redskins Lawsuit on Salary Cap Penalty (possible) Collusion Lawsuit by NFLPA (possible) Blacklisting Lawsuit by Gregg Williams (possible) And these are just a few of the legal storms currently on the extended radar. What we still can't account for, is the "unknown unknowns" as they say in military terms. In other words: "The shit we haven't even seen coming yet." I will still watch NFL football, because the GAME is awesome. Fast, hard hitting, unpredictable. It's a spectacle. And the athletes are just freaks. But I am not going to worship the league like I once did. I won't likely buy the NFL Sunday Ticket again either. I don't need to burn an entire afternoon on Sunday when it's 75 and sunny in September sitting in my mancave watching three TVs. A good game at 4 p.m., plus highlights of the other games and then the Sunday nighter. One more for good measure on Monday. That, along with my local "free" NFL team on over-the-air TV is quite alot. Plus, I hear there is something out there callled... "a highlight package." Hmmm. Do tell. Sound interesting. Have fun with all of this stuff Roger. Looks like you and lawyers are going to be busy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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treeduck Posted March 26, 2012 Author Share Posted March 26, 2012 Meanwhile Bill Parcells has been rumoured to have been approached for the interim SAINTS coaching position! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finding IT Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 QUOTE (treeduck @ Mar 24 2012, 10:05 PM) SAINTS sign former Failcaint LB Curtis Lofton! That's Ben Grubbs, Brodrick Bunkley, Lofton, Chris Chamberlain and the resigning of Marques Colston, not a bad couple of weeks of free agency... As a Ravens fan, I can tell Ben Grubbs is a HUGE signing for you. Very strong in run and pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted March 26, 2012 Author Share Posted March 26, 2012 QUOTE (Finding IT @ Mar 26 2012, 01:47 PM) QUOTE (treeduck @ Mar 24 2012, 10:05 PM) SAINTS sign former Failcaint LB Curtis Lofton! That's Ben Grubbs, Brodrick Bunkley, Lofton, Chris Chamberlain and the resigning of Marques Colston, not a bad couple of weeks of free agency... As a Ravens fan, I can tell Ben Grubbs is a HUGE signing for you. Very strong in run and pass. Yeah he looks good and seems to be happier playing the pass than Nicks is. Nicks is apparently looking forward to playing in the Bucs offense because it's more run orientated... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted April 3, 2012 Author Share Posted April 3, 2012 New Nike SAINTS uniform http://nikeinc.com/nike-football/news/nfl-...ts#/inline/9143 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted April 3, 2012 Author Share Posted April 3, 2012 SAINTS sign former Seahawks LB David Hawthorne to a 5 year deal... So it's goodbye finally to Shanle and Herring... New linebacking corps: Martez Wilson, Curtis Lofton, David Hawthorne with Vilma, Chamberlain, Hunter and Casillas rotating in... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted April 3, 2012 Author Share Posted April 3, 2012 SAINTS free agent signings recap: Grubbs Lofton Bunkley Hawthorne Chamberlain Colston resigning WINNING! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted April 5, 2012 Author Share Posted April 5, 2012 Rumor: Saints Sign Drew Brees to 5-Year Deal Worth $115 Million Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted April 5, 2012 Author Share Posted April 5, 2012 QUOTE (treeduck @ Apr 4 2012, 08:33 PM) Rumor: Saints Sign Drew Brees to 5-Year Deal Worth $115 Million Ugh it's bogus... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughedatbytime Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 QUOTE (treeduck @ Apr 4 2012, 07:33 PM) Rumor: Saints Sign Drew Brees to 5-Year Deal Worth $115 Million I guess they felt forced into it with Tannehill being long gone by the time they pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted April 5, 2012 Author Share Posted April 5, 2012 QUOTE (laughedatbytime @ Apr 4 2012, 08:48 PM) QUOTE (treeduck @ Apr 4 2012, 07:33 PM) Rumor: Saints Sign Drew Brees to 5-Year Deal Worth $115 Million I guess they felt forced into it with Tannehill being long gone by the time they pick. No it's not happened yet... I think it will, though I'm not sure about $23 million a year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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