Mandalorian Hunter Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 Additionally, lonestar, I don't think there was anything said about Dream Theater not being good, it was more that they thought themselves 'progressive' and weren't taking the the genre anywhere. They're certainly wonderful musicians, but they weren't breaking new ground, just sticking to tried and tested formulas and for an artist as eclectic as SW, who has such a broad musical outlook; krautrock, electriconica, ambient drones etc, why would you want to be considered someone who does the same thing over and over? DT just sound like Yes with a lot more distortion, whereas it's almost impossible to compare any PT album with another artists' album. Especially the albums in the 90's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRocinanteKid Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 I have to add that James LaBrie said in an interview a while back that I never considered Dream Theater to be a Progressive Metal band. I forgot what exactly he called them but I know he dismissed the Progressive label. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gompers Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (Mandalorian Hunter @ Apr 16 2008, 08:28 AM) Well, just because a band has had an influence on Prog, doesn't mean you can categorise it as that. Especially some of the music that influenced prog artists in the 70's. I can see why he wouldn't want to be classified as prog then but does now. 'Prog' bands nowadays are actually moving the genre forward. Bands like Muse, The Mars Volta etc are actually doing new things, and breaking new ground whereas in the 90's it was more a 70's throwback movement about all the things that allowed prog to die back in the day. Plus, even now, SW hasn't come out and said PT are prog, far from it. He just doesn't mind being labelled as it now, even though I'm sure he'll insist, as would I that PT are progressive, and not prog. I hope that kind of answers the question because I really didn't know what you were trying to ask I'm sure Mr. Wilson would acknowledge that many of his songs incorporate the traditional Prog Rock sound, style, or elements. Some even call some of the material Prog Metal, but I think it falls short of that. Edited April 16, 2008 by Gompers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandalorian Hunter Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 QUOTE (Gompers @ Apr 16 2008, 02:28 PM) QUOTE (Mandalorian Hunter @ Apr 16 2008, 08:28 AM) Well, just because a band has had an influence on Prog, doesn't mean you can categorise it as that. Especially some of the music that influenced prog artists in the 70's. I can see why he wouldn't want to be classified as prog then but does now. 'Prog' bands nowadays are actually moving the genre forward. Bands like Muse, The Mars Volta etc are actually doing new things, and breaking new ground whereas in the 90's it was more a 70's throwback movement about all the things that allowed prog to die back in the day. Plus, even now, SW hasn't come out and said PT are prog, far from it. He just doesn't mind being labelled as it now, even though I'm sure he'll insist, as would I that PT are progressive, and not prog. I hope that kind of answers the question because I really didn't know what you were trying to ask I'm sure Mr. Wilson would acknowledge that many of his songs incorporate the traditional Prog Rock sound, style, or elements. Some even call some of the material Prog Metal, but I think it falls short of that. Well, some of his songs incorporate prog elements, but they're in the minority. The Sky Moves Sideways, Arriving Somewhere(But Not Here), Anesthetize and Even Less do, but apart from that, PT don't resemble prog in the slightest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirmshander Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 To me, it doesnt really matter whether they are prog..... anyway, what I find amazing is that I find SW and PTree compelling enough to check out his other projects as well, and actually enjoying them quite a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arctangent Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 QUOTE (Skirmshander @ Apr 17 2008, 01:30 PM) To me, it doesnt really matter whether they are prog..... well said. far to many people want to hang a label on music, rather than just enjoying it. or not. as the case may be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandalorian Hunter Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 (edited) You two may not enjoy it, but at least this is far more riveting discussion than the amount of 'What PT albums should I buy' threads there have been, which end up with everyone rehashing everything they've already said.Plus, labels on music are just as normal as the sun rising and setting, so I'd imagine you'll have to get used to it. I'm sure that when everyone here listens to PT, they couldn't give a rat's arse what musical genre they come under, but it's hard to enjoy music when you're not listening to it, and thus discussions take place. Edited April 17, 2008 by Mandalorian Hunter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandalorian Hunter Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 QUOTE (Skirmshander @ Apr 17 2008, 01:30 PM) To me, it doesnt really matter whether they are prog..... anyway, what I find amazing is that I find SW and PTree compelling enough to check out his other projects as well, and actually enjoying them quite a bit. Which other projects have you listened to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirmshander Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 QUOTE (Mandalorian Hunter @ Apr 17 2008, 12:32 PM) QUOTE (Skirmshander @ Apr 17 2008, 01:30 PM) To me, it doesnt really matter whether they are prog..... anyway, what I find amazing is that I find SW and PTree compelling enough to check out his other projects as well, and actually enjoying them quite a bit. Which other projects have you listened to? Bass Communion Blackfield No-Man have been ordering things from burningshed.com Opeth...sort of related Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandalorian Hunter Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 QUOTE (Skirmshander @ Apr 17 2008, 05:46 PM) QUOTE (Mandalorian Hunter @ Apr 17 2008, 12:32 PM) QUOTE (Skirmshander @ Apr 17 2008, 01:30 PM) To me, it doesnt really matter whether they are prog..... anyway, what I find amazing is that I find SW and PTree compelling enough to check out his other projects as well, and actually enjoying them quite a bit. Which other projects have you listened to? Bass Communion Blackfield No-Man have been ordering things from burningshed.com Opeth...sort of related Try I.E.M out, you may enjoy them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gompers Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 QUOTE (Mandalorian Hunter @ Apr 16 2008, 06:25 PM) Well, some of his songs incorporate prog elements, but they're in the minority. The Sky Moves Sideways, Arriving Somewhere(But Not Here), Anesthetize and Even Less do, but apart from that, PT don't resemble prog in the slightest. Well I hear quite a bit, especially the odd-meter and syncopated things and songs >4 minutes. But I won't Labeling them is not something SW cares for. He likes his music with PT being somewhat ambiguous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandalorian Hunter Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 QUOTE (Gompers @ Apr 17 2008, 05:56 PM) QUOTE (Mandalorian Hunter @ Apr 16 2008, 06:25 PM) Well, some of his songs incorporate prog elements, but they're in the minority. The Sky Moves Sideways, Arriving Somewhere(But Not Here), Anesthetize and Even Less do, but apart from that, PT don't resemble prog in the slightest. Well I hear quite a bit, especially the odd-meter and syncopated things and songs >4 minutes. But I won't Labeling them is not something SW cares for. He likes his music with PT being somewhat ambiguous. Exactly, which is why I've been saying they're not a prog band If it means anything, Justin Timberlake has a few songs more than 4 minutes on his latest album, and some that are pushing 7, but that doesn't make him prog. Plus, there are loads of other odd-meters in other musical genres; that isn't a trait specific to prog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirmshander Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 QUOTE (Mandalorian Hunter @ Apr 17 2008, 01:52 PM) QUOTE (Skirmshander @ Apr 17 2008, 05:46 PM) QUOTE (Mandalorian Hunter @ Apr 17 2008, 12:32 PM) QUOTE (Skirmshander @ Apr 17 2008, 01:30 PM) To me, it doesnt really matter whether they are prog..... anyway, what I find amazing is that I find SW and PTree compelling enough to check out his other projects as well, and actually enjoying them quite a bit. Which other projects have you listened to? Bass Communion Blackfield No-Man have been ordering things from burningshed.com Opeth...sort of related Try I.E.M out, you may enjoy them. yeah, theyre next on the list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choose/the/light Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 QUOTE (LoneStar Boogie @ Apr 15 2008, 03:35 PM) QUOTE (Choose/the/light @ Apr 14 2008, 10:41 PM) So whats the deal with the association of PT and pills? just wondering... Do a little research on why Wilson wrote FEar of a Blank Planet. yea is he on pills? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustard Death Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 QUOTE (Choose/the/light @ Apr 17 2008, 07:34 PM) QUOTE (LoneStar Boogie @ Apr 15 2008, 03:35 PM) QUOTE (Choose/the/light @ Apr 14 2008, 10:41 PM) So whats the deal with the association of PT and pills? just wondering... Do a little research on why Wilson wrote FEar of a Blank Planet. yea is he on pills? No, he just thinks everyone else is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneStar Boogie Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 QUOTE (Choose/the/light @ Apr 17 2008, 06:34 PM) QUOTE (LoneStar Boogie @ Apr 15 2008, 03:35 PM) QUOTE (Choose/the/light @ Apr 14 2008, 10:41 PM) So whats the deal with the association of PT and pills? just wondering... Do a little research on why Wilson wrote FEar of a Blank Planet. yea is he on pills? DO THE RESEARCH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneStar Boogie Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 QUOTE (Mustard Death @ Apr 17 2008, 09:30 PM) QUOTE (Choose/the/light @ Apr 17 2008, 07:34 PM) QUOTE (LoneStar Boogie @ Apr 15 2008, 03:35 PM) QUOTE (Choose/the/light @ Apr 14 2008, 10:41 PM) So whats the deal with the association of PT and pills? just wondering... Do a little research on why Wilson wrote FEar of a Blank Planet. yea is he on pills? No, he just thinks everyone else is. That about sums it up!!! BTW - Mustard Death, I don't mean to bust balls or anything, but your avatar is the most annoying thing I think I've ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choose/the/light Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 QUOTE (LoneStar Boogie @ Apr 17 2008, 06:52 PM) QUOTE (Mustard Death @ Apr 17 2008, 09:30 PM) QUOTE (Choose/the/light @ Apr 17 2008, 07:34 PM) QUOTE (LoneStar Boogie @ Apr 15 2008, 03:35 PM) QUOTE (Choose/the/light @ Apr 14 2008, 10:41 PM) So whats the deal with the association of PT and pills? just wondering... Do a little research on why Wilson wrote FEar of a Blank Planet. yea is he on pills? No, he just thinks everyone else is. That about sums it up!!! BTW - Mustard Death, I don't mean to bust balls or anything, but your avatar is the most annoying thing I think I've ever seen. i think its probably one of the funniest, but it gets old after a while Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arctangent Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 QUOTE (Mandalorian Hunter @ Apr 17 2008, 04:27 PM) Plus, labels on music are just as normal as the sun rising and setting, so I'd imagine you'll have to get used to it. why? someone who doesn't know porcupine tree might be put off by the prog label (i know i would have been... to me prog makes me think of bands like genesis, elp and yes. eeeuuw!) but if they listened to the band first without hearing what they might be labeled under by certain people they might love them. bands are percieved by the labels hung on them which is why it ticks mr wilson off so much. besides, who decides what the label of 'prog' actually means? right, i'm off to listen to some post-metal-prog-hardcore-grunge-house-emo-drum'n'bass-punk music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandalorian Hunter Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (arctangent @ Apr 18 2008, 07:44 AM) QUOTE (Mandalorian Hunter @ Apr 17 2008, 04:27 PM) Plus, labels on music are just as normal as the sun rising and setting, so I'd imagine you'll have to get used to it. why? someone who doesn't know porcupine tree might be put off by the prog label (i know i would have been... to me prog makes me think of bands like genesis, elp and yes. eeeuuw!) but if they listened to the band first without hearing what they might be labeled under by certain people they might love them. bands are percieved by the labels hung on them which is why it ticks mr wilson off so much. besides, who decides what the label of 'prog' actually means? right, i'm off to listen to some post-metal-prog-hardcore-grunge-house-emo-drum'n'bass-punk music Have you read anything I've posted so far? Obviously not, but there we go. I've been trying to say they're not prog, and if someone asked me what they were like, I'd never call them a prog band. Why? First thing most people ask me about a band is what kind of music do they play, and it's easier to say; "They're a rock band" or "They're electronic" than sing a whole song to them. You wouldn't call a footballer a sportsman, you'd call him a footballer, and that still conjures up bad images but it doesn't stop anyone from doing it. Edited April 18, 2008 by Mandalorian Hunter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arctangent Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 QUOTE (Mandalorian Hunter @ Apr 18 2008, 10:08 AM) Have you read anything I've posted so far? Obviously not, but there we go. yes, i have. my comment was about labeling bands, not really that you specifcally labeled porcupine tree as prog as you didn't. but others here have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandalorian Hunter Posted May 17, 2008 Share Posted May 17, 2008 It seems Tour Of A Blank Planet has leaked! Tracklist; Disc one -------- What Happens Now? Blackest Eyes Fear of A Blank Planet The Sound Of Muzak Lazarus Nil Recurring Anesthetize Waiting (Part One) Sentimental Disc Two -------- Open Car Dark Matter Half Light A Smart Kid Way Out Of Here Sleep Together Trains Halo No My Ashes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tangy Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 QUOTE (Mandalorian Hunter @ May 17 2008, 05:01 PM) It seems Tour Of A Blank Planet has leaked! Tracklist; Disc one -------- What Happens Now? Blackest Eyes Fear of A Blank Planet The Sound Of Muzak Lazarus Nil Recurring Anesthetize Waiting (Part One) Sentimental Disc Two -------- Open Car Dark Matter Half Light A Smart Kid Way Out Of Here Sleep Together Trains Halo No My Ashes Sweet! ( other than the absence of my ashes ) any idea where the show was recorded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gompers Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 QUOTE (Mandalorian Hunter @ Apr 18 2008, 06:08 AM) QUOTE (arctangent @ Apr 18 2008, 07:44 AM) QUOTE (Mandalorian Hunter @ Apr 17 2008, 04:27 PM) Plus, labels on music are just as normal as the sun rising and setting, so I'd imagine you'll have to get used to it. why? someone who doesn't know porcupine tree might be put off by the prog label (i know i would have been... to me prog makes me think of bands like genesis, elp and yes. eeeuuw!) but if they listened to the band first without hearing what they might be labeled under by certain people they might love them. bands are percieved by the labels hung on them which is why it ticks mr wilson off so much. besides, who decides what the label of 'prog' actually means? right, i'm off to listen to some post-metal-prog-hardcore-grunge-house-emo-drum'n'bass-punk music Have you read anything I've posted so far? Obviously not, but there we go. I've been trying to say they're not prog, and if someone asked me what they were like, I'd never call them a prog band. Why? First thing most people ask me about a band is what kind of music do they play, and it's easier to say; "They're a rock band" or "They're electronic" than sing a whole song to them. You wouldn't call a footballer a sportsman, you'd call him a footballer, and that still conjures up bad images but it doesn't stop anyone from doing it. They are as Prog as Rush is, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandalorian Hunter Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (Gompers @ May 18 2008, 04:17 PM) QUOTE (Mandalorian Hunter @ Apr 18 2008, 06:08 AM) QUOTE (arctangent @ Apr 18 2008, 07:44 AM) QUOTE (Mandalorian Hunter @ Apr 17 2008, 04:27 PM) Plus, labels on music are just as normal as the sun rising and setting, so I'd imagine you'll have to get used to it. why? someone who doesn't know porcupine tree might be put off by the prog label (i know i would have been... to me prog makes me think of bands like genesis, elp and yes. eeeuuw!) but if they listened to the band first without hearing what they might be labeled under by certain people they might love them. bands are percieved by the labels hung on them which is why it ticks mr wilson off so much. besides, who decides what the label of 'prog' actually means? right, i'm off to listen to some post-metal-prog-hardcore-grunge-house-emo-drum'n'bass-punk music Have you read anything I've posted so far? Obviously not, but there we go. I've been trying to say they're not prog, and if someone asked me what they were like, I'd never call them a prog band. Why? First thing most people ask me about a band is what kind of music do they play, and it's easier to say; "They're a rock band" or "They're electronic" than sing a whole song to them. You wouldn't call a footballer a sportsman, you'd call him a footballer, and that still conjures up bad images but it doesn't stop anyone from doing it. They are as Prog as Rush is, IMO. Rush and Porcupine Tree are progressive, but they're not prog. 'Prog' and 'Progressive' in a musical sense mean completely different things. Edited May 18, 2008 by Mandalorian Hunter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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