rotting Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (Mandalorian Hunter @ Apr 2 2008, 05:31 PM) One band is clearly better than the other, one band has a vocalist whereas one has a growler, and one band is a psychedelic band with a few heavy touches whereas the other is a death metal band with a few light touches. I would say you gave Opeth an unfair listen then , The singer does about 40 + minutes of clean vocals on ghost reveries . And your right , one band is quite better than the other - opeth , by leagues . And if someone was getting into rush for the first time , recommending them or comparing them to old genesis would be stupid ? come on man - your haunted . Edited April 3, 2008 by rotting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Test4VitalSigns Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 QUOTE (Kudzu @ Apr 3 2008, 12:56 AM) Much more melodic. I don't really anticipate an "unplugged" live EP from Opeth anytime soon. Actually the majority of Opeth's Damnation album is accoustic and pretty melodic. It doesn't have the "cookie monster" vocals as I call it lol. An example...My fav Opeth song Windowpane live Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Test4VitalSigns Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 QUOTE (Test4VitalSigns @ Apr 3 2008, 01:45 AM) QUOTE (Kudzu @ Apr 3 2008, 12:56 AM) Much more melodic. I don't really anticipate an "unplugged" live EP from Opeth anytime soon. Actually the majority of Opeth's Damnation album is accoustic and pretty melodic. It doesn't have the "cookie monster" vocals as I call it lol. An example...My fav Opeth song Windowpane live BTW Steven Wilson produced the Damnation album. It does have a prog-rock vibe to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCFIELDS Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 QUOTE (Mandalorian Hunter @ Apr 2 2008, 05:31 PM) QUOTE (WCFIELDS @ Apr 2 2008, 09:18 PM) QUOTE (Mandalorian Hunter @ Apr 2 2008, 02:34 PM) QUOTE (rotting @ Apr 2 2008, 07:26 PM) listening now , never heard these guys before . A little poppy for my taste - but not bad . The musicianship is good , they remind me of a opeth light . Opeth is much better though . Comparing Opeth to Porcupine Tree is fairly stupid. Ummmm, why is that? One band is clearly better than the other, one band has a vocalist whereas one has a growler, and one band is a psychedelic band with a few heavy touches whereas the other is a death metal band with a few light touches. Whoa......"clearly better", that's totally your opinion. I suggest you listen to Ghost Reveries to become somewhat familiar with Opeth, as you show you clearly aren't. Opeth are much more than "death metal with a growler".......whether you like them or not is one thing, but if you are going to trash them for stupid reasons, be prepared to take some flack....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arctangent Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 QUOTE (sullysue @ Apr 2 2008, 09:14 PM) Ummm. Anyway, back to Porcupine Tree. Who else has We Lost the Skyline? ah, a fantastic release. great hearing some of their songs played solo(ish)/acoustic(ish), especially drown with me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandalorian Hunter Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 QUOTE (rotting @ Apr 3 2008, 04:31 AM) QUOTE (Mandalorian Hunter @ Apr 2 2008, 05:31 PM) One band is clearly better than the other, one band has a vocalist whereas one has a growler, and one band is a psychedelic band with a few heavy touches whereas the other is a death metal band with a few light touches. I would say you gave Opeth an unfair listen then , The singer does about 40 + minutes of clean vocals on ghost reveries . And your right , one band is quite better than the other - opeth , by leagues . And if someone was getting into rush for the first time , recommending them or comparing them to old genesis would be stupid ? come on man - your haunted . Funnily enough, I have been meaning to get into them more because I've only heard great things about them. Problem is, I've only heard stuff with 'Cookie Monster' vocals on them and I don't know if I can buy a full album because the price wouldn't justify listening to someone growl on tracks. If you can suggest an album that has minimal growling and is much less symphonic than what I've heard, I'm more than happy to listen and have my mind changed. Ah, I never said anything about recommending. I would recommend Yes, King Crimson and Genesis to anyone who was first getting into Rush, but I wouldn't compare them because the only common thing is they've written long songs at one point in their respective careers, and that;s where the comparison ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandalorian Hunter Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 QUOTE (WCFIELDS @ Apr 3 2008, 05:57 AM) QUOTE (Mandalorian Hunter @ Apr 2 2008, 05:31 PM) QUOTE (WCFIELDS @ Apr 2 2008, 09:18 PM) QUOTE (Mandalorian Hunter @ Apr 2 2008, 02:34 PM) QUOTE (rotting @ Apr 2 2008, 07:26 PM) listening now , never heard these guys before . A little poppy for my taste - but not bad . The musicianship is good , they remind me of a opeth light . Opeth is much better though . Comparing Opeth to Porcupine Tree is fairly stupid. Ummmm, why is that? One band is clearly better than the other, one band has a vocalist whereas one has a growler, and one band is a psychedelic band with a few heavy touches whereas the other is a death metal band with a few light touches. Whoa......"clearly better", that's totally your opinion. I suggest you listen to Ghost Reveries to become somewhat familiar with Opeth, as you show you clearly aren't. Opeth are much more than "death metal with a growler".......whether you like them or not is one thing, but if you are going to trash them for stupid reasons, be prepared to take some flack....... Anything anyone says on a message board is totally opinion. That goes without saying, so I shouldn't have to put 'IMO' after every sentence. I was just stating my opinon, as did rotting, and then listing differences from tracks I've heard, which is an entirely valid way of doing things. From what I've heard, and what I've been told, Opeth are a symphonic metal/death metal band and have been for their entire career, whereas Porcupine Tree have only started incorporating metal into their songs three albums ago. The early albums have hardly any heavy sections at all, and Signify and Stupid Dream have very minimal heavy sections. Have you heard these albums? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Owl Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 QUOTE (arctangent @ Apr 3 2008, 02:02 AM) QUOTE (sullysue @ Apr 2 2008, 09:14 PM) Ummm. Anyway, back to Porcupine Tree. Who else has We Lost the Skyline? ah, a fantastic release. great hearing some of their songs played solo(ish)/acoustic(ish), especially drown with me! Skyline is Definatly worth it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandalorian Hunter Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 QUOTE (The Owl @ Apr 3 2008, 02:10 PM) QUOTE (arctangent @ Apr 3 2008, 02:02 AM) QUOTE (sullysue @ Apr 2 2008, 09:14 PM) Ummm. Anyway, back to Porcupine Tree. Who else has We Lost the Skyline? ah, a fantastic release. great hearing some of their songs played solo(ish)/acoustic(ish), especially drown with me! Skyline is Definatly worth it!! And it's not too much either! Everyone's a winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Owl Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 Be sure to pick up the re-release of Lightbulb Sun on the 21st!! Disc 1: Remastered Album Disc 2 (DVDA): Whole album in 5.1 surround plus bonus DVDA material including.. Dissepear, Buying New Sould, Cure for Optimism, and the origional 2000 mix/master Disc 3 (only available through pre-order through the PT store): Novak. amd Buying New Soul (Origional Istrumental Recording) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rotting Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 QUOTE (Kudzu @ Apr 2 2008, 11:56 PM) You clearly like, what's it called? Symphonic death metal? Not really , Outside opeth, dream theater, I dont really like too many over-melodic key's or synth's In my music . Like lets say - children of bodom ? I prefere my death metal straight forward - kick to the teeth punishing like lets say - lordgore ?? Anyways - sorry to slightly derail this thread , Porcupine tree I have never heard of until joining this rush forum , and I thank you for a new band that will definately recieve future listen's from me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandalorian Hunter Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 QUOTE (rotting @ Apr 3 2008, 04:08 PM) QUOTE (Kudzu @ Apr 2 2008, 11:56 PM) You clearly like, what's it called? Symphonic death metal? Not really , Outside opeth, dream theater, I dont really like too many over-melodic key's or synth's In my music . Like lets say - children of bodom ? I prefere my death metal straight forward - kick to the teeth punishing like lets say - lordgore ?? Anyways - sorry to slightly derail this thread , Porcupine tree I have never heard of until joining this rush forum , and I thank you for a new band that will definately recieve future listen's from me By the way, what albums/songs have you heard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rotting Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 QUOTE (Mandalorian Hunter @ Apr 3 2008, 12:19 PM) QUOTE (rotting @ Apr 3 2008, 04:08 PM) QUOTE (Kudzu @ Apr 2 2008, 11:56 PM) You clearly like, what's it called? Symphonic death metal? Not really , Outside opeth, dream theater, I dont really like too many over-melodic key's or synth's In my music . Like lets say - children of bodom ? I prefere my death metal straight forward - kick to the teeth punishing like lets say - lordgore ?? Anyways - sorry to slightly derail this thread , Porcupine tree I have never heard of until joining this rush forum , and I thank you for a new band that will definately recieve future listen's from me By the way, what albums/songs have you heard? When i hear of a band , in this bands case - three days ago , I first go to their myspace - I think they have 8 songs up or something , so I gave all of it a listen . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandalorian Hunter Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 QUOTE (rotting @ Apr 3 2008, 07:01 PM) QUOTE (Mandalorian Hunter @ Apr 3 2008, 12:19 PM) QUOTE (rotting @ Apr 3 2008, 04:08 PM) QUOTE (Kudzu @ Apr 2 2008, 11:56 PM) You clearly like, what's it called? Symphonic death metal? Not really , Outside opeth, dream theater, I dont really like too many over-melodic key's or synth's In my music . Like lets say - children of bodom ? I prefere my death metal straight forward - kick to the teeth punishing like lets say - lordgore ?? Anyways - sorry to slightly derail this thread , Porcupine tree I have never heard of until joining this rush forum , and I thank you for a new band that will definately recieve future listen's from me By the way, what albums/songs have you heard? When i hear of a band , in this bands case - three days ago , I first go to their myspace - I think they have 8 songs up or something , so I gave all of it a listen . Nice! You're going to like their latest releases then; In Absentia, Deadwing and Fear Of A Blank Planet. If you can find them, it'd be a good investment, especially Deadwing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Presto-digitation Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 Right now I have: Stupid Dream In Absentia Deadwing Fear Of A Blank Planet ...all I've managed to listen to at least twice so far. Total newbie here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandalorian Hunter Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 QUOTE (Presto-digitation @ Apr 3 2008, 07:25 PM) Right now I have: Stupid Dream In Absentia Deadwing Fear Of A Blank Planet ...all I've managed to listen to at least twice so far. Total newbie here. You got Stupid Dream! Nice one, very good investment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Presto-digitation Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 Very different...one from another...these PT records. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandalorian Hunter Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 I'm looking forward to seeing some of you reviews for Porcupine Tree albums. Will be nice to see someone elses perspective of the albums in a big review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Presto-digitation Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 (edited) Oh Christ, right now that's a bit intimidating...LOL. I feel I'm the last guy to the party at this moment. I'm the most ill-informed fan on the planet. Edited April 3, 2008 by Presto-digitation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandalorian Hunter Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 QUOTE (Presto-digitation @ Apr 3 2008, 07:47 PM) Oh Christ, right now that's a bit intimidating...LOL. I feel I'm the last guy to the party at this moment. I'm the most ill-informed fan on the planet. You're fully informed as soon as you listen to an album as far as I'm concerned. Plus, that'd mean you'd only be talking about the music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 QUOTE (Presto-digitation @ Apr 3 2008, 02:32 PM) Very different...one from another...these PT records. That's the beauty of them. Glad to hear of your enjoyment. Those albums will only grow on you more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kudzu Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 QUOTE (Mandalorian Hunter @ Apr 3 2008, 12:30 PM) QUOTE (Presto-digitation @ Apr 3 2008, 07:25 PM) Right now I have: Stupid Dream In Absentia Deadwing Fear Of A Blank Planet ...all I've managed to listen to at least twice so far. Total newbie here. You got Stupid Dream! Nice one, very good investment. Pretty good haul in general. I don't have In Absentia (just "Trains") and I can't listen through Deadwing (though "Lazarus" and "Arriving Somewhere But Not Here" are two of my favorite PT tracks), but Stupid Dream is awesome and Fear of a Blank Planet is solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush! Posted April 4, 2008 Author Share Posted April 4, 2008 What's wrong with Deadwing Kudzu? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kudzu Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 QUOTE (Rush! @ Apr 3 2008, 05:59 PM) What's wrong with Deadwing Kudzu? Just gets a bit too "thrashy" for me in places. I'm not much of a metalhead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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