liquidcrystalcompass Posted January 27, 2006 Share Posted January 27, 2006 The rumors are swirling that Troy Aikman will not make it on the first ballot. There are 196 players in the Hall and only 5 of the players are Cowboys. Why do we get the shaft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anagramking Posted January 27, 2006 Share Posted January 27, 2006 QUOTE (liquidcrystalcompass @ Jan 27 2006, 12:44 PM) The rumors are swirling that Troy Aikman will not make it on the first ballot. There are 196 players in the Hall and only 5 of the players are Cowboys. Why do we get the shaft? They'll be getting a few more in the next few years, and they have two other finalists besides Aikman this year (Irvin and Rayfield Wright, an offensive lineman from the 70s). Emmitt will get in for sure, and I would hope his linemen would at least get consideration. Which Cowboys do you think deserve to be in who haven't made it yet? Mind you, I grew up following the Cowboys, and enjoyed watching them every Sunday, so I don't ask this as a Cowboy hater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidcrystalcompass Posted January 27, 2006 Author Share Posted January 27, 2006 QUOTE (anagramking @ Jan 27 2006, 01:05 PM) QUOTE (liquidcrystalcompass @ Jan 27 2006, 12:44 PM) The rumors are swirling that Troy Aikman will not make it on the first ballot. There are 196 players in the Hall and only 5 of the players are Cowboys. Why do we get the shaft? They'll be getting a few more in the next few years, and they have two other finalists besides Aikman this year (Irvin and Rayfield Wright, an offensive lineman from the 70s). Emmitt will get in for sure, and I would hope his linemen would at least get consideration. Which Cowboys do you think deserve to be in who haven't made it yet? Mind you, I grew up following the Cowboys, and enjoyed watching them every Sunday, so I don't ask this as a Cowboy hater. This is Rayfied Wright's last shot. If he doesn't get in this year then he probably never will. I can't believe that Aikman is not a guaranteed first ballot guy. Those who should be in but are not (and I would love to hear any arguments from anyone on this): Bob Hayes, Drew Pearson, Cliff Harris, Rayfield Wright, Chuck Howley and Harvey Martin Considerations: Too Tall Jones, Charlie Waters, D.D. Lewis These are off the top of my head.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Templar of Syrinx Posted January 27, 2006 Share Posted January 27, 2006 QUOTE (liquidcrystalcompass @ Jan 27 2006, 01:30 PM) Those who should be in but are not (and I would love to hear any arguments from anyone on this): Bob Hayes, Drew Pearson, Cliff Harris, Rayfield Wright, Chuck Howley and Harvey Martin Considerations: Too Tall Jones, Charlie Waters, D.D. Lewis These are off the top of my head.............. Maybe 'ring of honor' but not hall of fame material......none of these guys belong.......... i agree Aikman should be a first ballot guy, along with Emmitt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidcrystalcompass Posted January 27, 2006 Author Share Posted January 27, 2006 QUOTE (Templar of Syrinx @ Jan 27 2006, 01:54 PM) QUOTE (liquidcrystalcompass @ Jan 27 2006, 01:30 PM) Those who should be in but are not (and I would love to hear any arguments from anyone on this): Bob Hayes, Drew Pearson, Cliff Harris, Rayfield Wright, Chuck Howley and Harvey Martin Considerations: Too Tall Jones, Charlie Waters, D.D. Lewis These are off the top of my head.............. Maybe 'ring of honor' but not hall of fame material......none of these guys belong.......... i agree Aikman should be a first ballot guy, along with Emmitt What is your argument for not letting these guys in? There are many players that accomplished much less than the ones mentioned who are in the hall of fame. Since the merger, the Cowboys have been the most successful franchise period! Yet only 5 players in the hall of fame? Please explain why? I would really like to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anagramking Posted January 27, 2006 Share Posted January 27, 2006 QUOTE (liquidcrystalcompass @ Jan 27 2006, 01:30 PM) QUOTE (anagramking @ Jan 27 2006, 01:05 PM) QUOTE (liquidcrystalcompass @ Jan 27 2006, 12:44 PM) The rumors are swirling that Troy Aikman will not make it on the first ballot. There are 196 players in the Hall and only 5 of the players are Cowboys. Why do we get the shaft? They'll be getting a few more in the next few years, and they have two other finalists besides Aikman this year (Irvin and Rayfield Wright, an offensive lineman from the 70s). Emmitt will get in for sure, and I would hope his linemen would at least get consideration. Which Cowboys do you think deserve to be in who haven't made it yet? Mind you, I grew up following the Cowboys, and enjoyed watching them every Sunday, so I don't ask this as a Cowboy hater. This is Rayfied Wright's last shot. If he doesn't get in this year then he probably never will. I can't believe that Aikman is not a guaranteed first ballot guy. Those who should be in but are not (and I would love to hear any arguments from anyone on this): Bob Hayes, Drew Pearson, Cliff Harris, Rayfield Wright, Chuck Howley and Harvey Martin Considerations: Too Tall Jones, Charlie Waters, D.D. Lewis These are off the top of my head.............. Just looking at the list of finalists this year, so many deserving guys on that list, and only a few get in. If it took Lynn Swann so long to get in, it's hard to have hope for Drew Pearson. Too Tall might have had a chance if he didn't do that foray into boxing, I think. As for their defensive lineman in that era, Randy White was clearly their best one. He was the guy who got double teamed every single game, every single down. And L.C. Greenwood still hasn't got in. I couldn't begin to make a case for Harvey Martin or Too Tall if L.C. is still not in. Chuck Howley and Bob Hayes are a little before my time, so I don't know. And Wright's career was ending as I got interested. Dallas had a fine offensive line back then, too. Rafferty, Fitzgerald, Donovan, Herb Scott, etc. All those guys you mentioned were fine players, don't get me wrong. It's just so damn difficult to get into Canton. But Aikman will get in this year or next, and Emmitt will get in right away, along with some of that offensive line of his, which I would say rivals the Hogs of the 80s as the best ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidcrystalcompass Posted January 27, 2006 Author Share Posted January 27, 2006 Bob Hayes changed the game. It's difficult to get into Canton but how do you explain the San Diego Chargers? I think that they have 7 players in and 0 rings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anagramking Posted January 27, 2006 Share Posted January 27, 2006 QUOTE (liquidcrystalcompass @ Jan 27 2006, 02:11 PM) Bob Hayes changed the game. It's difficult to get into Canton but how do you explain the San Diego Chargers? I think that they have 7 players in and 0 rings. Bob Hayes was evidence of the genius of the Cowboy front office at the time. Was he as good as Lynn Swann or Charlie Joiner, who were his peers at the position? Landry and Schramm are both in the Hall. The Chargers did win a league championship in 1963 (in the AFL), and Sid Gillman, the coach at the time, is an inductee. For the Chargers, I see five players and one coach, aside from the others that played there for a year or two. I believe Fouts, Joiner, and Winslow definitely belong. As for the two from the 60s that got in, before my time obviously. http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/teams.jsp You think that's bad, the Niners only have Lott, Montana, Young, and Walsh from their Super Bowl years. All their other inductees are old timers. Not a single Hog is in the Hall yet. Riggins owes his career to those guys, and he's in. Canton's a tough place to make it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidcrystalcompass Posted January 27, 2006 Author Share Posted January 27, 2006 I already checked out the site. I guess the local radio got me pumped up today. Everyone is going on how the Cowboys will get the shaft again. I just find it hard to believe that Swann is in but not Pearson. Zone football was created because of Bob Hayes. Chuck Howley, how could he not be in???? Time to get off my soap box. I'm going out of town...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anagramking Posted January 27, 2006 Share Posted January 27, 2006 QUOTE (liquidcrystalcompass @ Jan 27 2006, 02:40 PM) I already checked out the site. I guess the local radio got me pumped up today. Everyone is going on how the Cowboys will get the shaft again. I just find it hard to believe that Swann is in but not Pearson. Zone football was created because of Bob Hayes. Chuck Howley, how could he not be in???? Time to get off my soap box. I'm going out of town...... Chuck Howley's credentials look impressive. I like first player from losing team to be Super Bowl MVP. Plus, I read that he came back after suffering a bad knee injury early on in his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tangy Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 I thought I was entering a thread about Brokeback Mountain when I saw a thread about the cowboys getting the shaft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidcrystalcompass Posted February 2, 2006 Author Share Posted February 2, 2006 QUOTE (tangdog @ Feb 1 2006, 10:33 PM) I thought I was entering a thread about Brokeback Mountain when I saw a thread about the cowboys getting the shaft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelcaressed Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 Simply because Jerky Jones was pretentious enough to claim the title "America's Team." And because Michael Irvin is still running that big yap of his 10 years later. How bout them Redskins---My favorite sports quote from last year...some guy on the Dallas Mavericks...LMAO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drumnut Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 My father played Little League Baseball, went to grade school with, and sang at Fred Biletnikoff's induction into The NFL Hall of Fame: http://www.profootballhof.com/assets/hof/mug1179.jpg QUOTE Frederick S. Biletnikoff. . .Florida State All-America. . .No. 2 draft pick, 1965. . .Career record: 589 receptions, 8,974 yards, 76 TDs. . . Had 40 or more catches 10 straight years. . .Durable with fluid moves, deceptive speed, great hands. . . All-AFL/AFC four times. . . 1971 NFL receiving champion. . .Played in two AFL All-Star games, four AFC-NFC Pro Bowls, eight AFL/AFC title games, two Super Bowls. . .MVP in Super Bowl XI. . . Born February 23, 1943, in Erie, Pennsylvania. www.profootballhof.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidcrystalcompass Posted February 3, 2006 Author Share Posted February 3, 2006 QUOTE (steelcaressed @ Feb 2 2006, 09:51 PM) Simply because Jerky Jones was pretentious enough to claim the title "America's Team." And because Michael Irvin is still running that big yap of his 10 years later. How bout them Redskins---My favorite sports quote from last year...some guy on the Dallas Mavericks...LMAO. "America's Team" has been around since the early '70's. Jerry had nothing to do with it. "America's Team" was created by the media. By the way, John Madden agrees with the term. As you know, he travels by bus around the country. Madden stated "that they are truly America's Team." Don't let your sour grapes metality keep you from the truth. Rayfield Wright. 13 years in the pros. 5 Super Bowl appearences. Most by a tackle in the history of the game. Named to the All-decade team. Will he get the shaft? Probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anagramking Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 Liquid, your hopes have come true. The Class of 2006 is Aikman, Madden, Reggie White, Harry Carson, Rayfield Wright, and Warren Moon. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2318924 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weakly Criminal Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 Congrats to Rayfield. This has been a long time coming. You would think that the best OL off a 5 SB team might get a bit of respect, and finally he has. I don't care about Bob Hayes. Yea the zone defense was invented to counter his speed, but he was no football player. He never once took his hands out of his pockets in the ice bowl. And Lynn Swan's rep is based entirely on his SB performances. Take a look at his career stats. There are lots of good players who play on great teams who get elevated in stature by the players around them. (Such is the nature of team sports) Rayfield Wright was the last of the old dynasty Cowboys who made the players around him better to be recognized. Emmit and Michael (in that order) will make the HOF. I would like to see Drew Pearson make it, but now that RW has his due, I can die in peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anagramking Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 QUOTE (Weakly Criminal @ Feb 7 2006, 03:07 AM) And Lynn Swan's rep is based entirely on his SB performances. Take a look at his career stats. Swann's regular season stats: QUOTE +--------------------------+-------------------------+ | Rushing | Receiving | +----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+ | Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD | +----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+ | 1974 pit | 11 | 1 14 14.0 0 | 11 208 18.9 2 | | 1975 pit | 14 | 3 13 4.3 0 | 49 781 15.9 11 | | 1976 pit | 12 | 1 2 2.0 0 | 28 516 18.4 3 | | 1977 pit | 14 | 2 6 3.0 0 | 50 789 15.8 7 | | 1978 pit | 16 | 1 7 7.0 0 | 61 880 14.4 11 | | 1979 pit | 13 | 1 9 9.0 1 | 41 808 19.7 5 | | 1980 pit | 13 | 1 -4 -4.0 0 | 44 710 16.1 7 | | 1981 pit | 13 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 34 505 14.9 5 | | 1982 pit | 9 | 1 25 25.0 0 | 18 265 14.7 0 | +----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+ | TOTAL | 115 | 11 72 6.5 1 | 336 5462 16.3 51 | +----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+ Seasons among the league's top 10 Receptions: 1977-7t, 1978-7t Receiving yards: 1975-8, 1977-4, 1978-7 Receiving TDs: 1975-1t, 1977-6t, 1978-2 Rush/Receive TDs: 1975-7t, 1978-5t Lynn Swann is not in the all-time top 50 in any major category. Drew Pearson's stats: QUOTE +--------------------------+-------------------------+ | Rushing | Receiving | +----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+ | Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD | +----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+ | 1973 dal | 14 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 22 388 17.6 2 | | 1974 dal | 14 | 3 6 2.0 0 | 62 1087 17.5 2 | | 1975 dal | 14 | 1 11 11.0 0 | 46 822 17.9 8 | | 1976 dal | 14 | 2 20 10.0 0 | 58 806 13.9 6 | | 1977 dal | 14 | 2 22 11.0 0 | 48 870 18.1 2 | | 1978 dal | 16 | 3 29 9.7 0 | 44 714 16.2 3 | | 1979 dal | 15 | 3 27 9.0 0 | 55 1026 18.7 8 | | 1980 dal | 16 | 2 30 15.0 0 | 43 568 13.2 6 | | 1981 dal | 16 | 3 31 10.3 0 | 38 614 16.2 3 | | 1982 dal | 9 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 26 382 14.7 3 | | 1983 dal | 14 | 2 13 6.5 0 | 47 545 11.6 5 | +----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+ | TOTAL | 156 | 21 189 9.0 0 | 489 7822 16.0 48 | +----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+ Seasons among the league's top 10 Receptions: 1974-3, 1976-4, 1977-9t Receiving yards: 1974-2, 1975-5, 1976-10, 1977-1, 1979-8 Receiving TDs: 1975-6t, 1979-8t Drew Pearson is not in the all-time top 50 in any major category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidcrystalcompass Posted February 7, 2006 Author Share Posted February 7, 2006 QUOTE (anagramking @ Feb 5 2006, 01:15 PM) Liquid, your hopes have come true. The Class of 2006 is Aikman, Madden, Reggie White, Harry Carson, Rayfield Wright, and Warren Moon. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2318924 I'm very happy. Now it's time for Drew Pearson, Bob Hayes, Michael Irvin and Ed "Too Tall" Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anagramking Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 Bob Hayes' career stats: QUOTE +--------------------------+-------------------------+ | Rushing | Receiving | +----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+ | Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD | +----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+ | 1965 dal | 13 | 4 -8 -2.0 1 | 46 1003 21.8 12 | | 1966 dal | 14 | 1 -1 -1.0 0 | 64 1232 19.2 13 | | 1967 dal | 13 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 49 998 20.4 10 | | 1968 dal | 14 | 4 2 0.5 0 | 53 909 17.2 10 | | 1969 dal | 10 | 4 17 4.2 0 | 40 746 18.6 4 | | 1970 dal | 13 | 4 34 8.5 1 | 34 889 26.1 10 | | 1971 dal | 14 | 3 18 6.0 0 | 35 840 24.0 8 | | 1972 dal | 12 | 2 8 4.0 0 | 15 200 13.3 0 | | 1973 dal | 13 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 22 360 16.4 3 | | 1974 dal | 12 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 7 118 16.9 1 | | 1975 sfo | 4 | 2 -2 -1.0 0 | 6 119 19.8 0 | +----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+ | TOTAL | 132 | 24 68 2.8 2 | 371 7414 20.0 71 | +----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+ Seasons among the league's top 10 Receptions: 1966-4, 1968-5 Receiving yards: 1965-4, 1966-2, 1967-4, 1968-6, 1970-8, 1971-7 Receiving TDs: 1965-1t, 1966-1, 1967-3t, 1968-3, 1970-5, 1971-4 Yards from scrimmage: 1965-10, 1966-7 Rush/Receive TDs: 1965-3, 1966-4, 1967-7t, 1968-5t, 1970-6t Among the league's all-time top 50 Receiving TDs: 26t Michael Irvin's career stats: QUOTE +--------------------------+-------------------------+ | Rushing | Receiving | +----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+ | Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD | +----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+ | 1988 dal | 14 | 1 2 2.0 0 | 32 654 20.4 5 | | 1989 dal | 6 | 1 6 6.0 0 | 26 378 14.5 2 | | 1990 dal | 12 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 20 413 20.6 5 | | 1991 dal | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 93 1523 16.4 8 | | 1992 dal | 16 | 1 -9 -9.0 0 | 78 1396 17.9 7 | | 1993 dal | 16 | 2 6 3.0 0 | 88 1330 15.1 7 | | 1994 dal | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 79 1241 15.7 6 | | 1995 dal | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 111 1603 14.4 10 | | 1996 dal | 11 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 64 962 15.0 2 | | 1997 dal | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 75 1180 15.7 9 | | 1998 dal | 16 | 1 1 1.0 0 | 74 1057 14.3 1 | | 1999 dal | 4 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 10 167 16.7 3 | +----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+ | TOTAL | 159 | 6 6 1.0 0 | 750 11904 15.9 65 | +----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+ Seasons among the league's top 10 Receptions: 1991-2, 1992-7, 1993-3, 1995-5 Receiving yards: 1991-1, 1992-2, 1993-2, 1994-8, 1995-4, 1997-8t Receiving TDs: 1991-9t, 1992-8t, 1993-9t, 1995-10t, 1997-6t Yards from scrimmage: 1991-4, 1992-10, 1993-8, 1995-9 Among the league's all-time top 50 Receptions: 18t Receiving yards: 14 Receiving TDs: 35t Yards from scrimmage: 38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidcrystalcompass Posted February 7, 2006 Author Share Posted February 7, 2006 QUOTE (anagramking @ Feb 7 2006, 01:52 PM) Bob Hayes' career stats: QUOTE +--------------------------+-------------------------+ | Rushing | Receiving | +----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+ | Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD | +----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+ | 1965 dal | 13 | 4 -8 -2.0 1 | 46 1003 21.8 12 | | 1966 dal | 14 | 1 -1 -1.0 0 | 64 1232 19.2 13 | | 1967 dal | 13 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 49 998 20.4 10 | | 1968 dal | 14 | 4 2 0.5 0 | 53 909 17.2 10 | | 1969 dal | 10 | 4 17 4.2 0 | 40 746 18.6 4 | | 1970 dal | 13 | 4 34 8.5 1 | 34 889 26.1 10 | | 1971 dal | 14 | 3 18 6.0 0 | 35 840 24.0 8 | | 1972 dal | 12 | 2 8 4.0 0 | 15 200 13.3 0 | | 1973 dal | 13 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 22 360 16.4 3 | | 1974 dal | 12 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 7 118 16.9 1 | | 1975 sfo | 4 | 2 -2 -1.0 0 | 6 119 19.8 0 | +----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+ | TOTAL | 132 | 24 68 2.8 2 | 371 7414 20.0 71 | +----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+ Seasons among the league's top 10 Receptions: 1966-4, 1968-5 Receiving yards: 1965-4, 1966-2, 1967-4, 1968-6, 1970-8, 1971-7 Receiving TDs: 1965-1t, 1966-1, 1967-3t, 1968-3, 1970-5, 1971-4 Yards from scrimmage: 1965-10, 1966-7 Rush/Receive TDs: 1965-3, 1966-4, 1967-7t, 1968-5t, 1970-6t Among the league's all-time top 50 Receiving TDs: 26t Michael Irvin's career stats: QUOTE +--------------------------+-------------------------+ | Rushing | Receiving | +----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+ | Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD | +----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+ | 1988 dal | 14 | 1 2 2.0 0 | 32 654 20.4 5 | | 1989 dal | 6 | 1 6 6.0 0 | 26 378 14.5 2 | | 1990 dal | 12 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 20 413 20.6 5 | | 1991 dal | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 93 1523 16.4 8 | | 1992 dal | 16 | 1 -9 -9.0 0 | 78 1396 17.9 7 | | 1993 dal | 16 | 2 6 3.0 0 | 88 1330 15.1 7 | | 1994 dal | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 79 1241 15.7 6 | | 1995 dal | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 111 1603 14.4 10 | | 1996 dal | 11 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 64 962 15.0 2 | | 1997 dal | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 75 1180 15.7 9 | | 1998 dal | 16 | 1 1 1.0 0 | 74 1057 14.3 1 | | 1999 dal | 4 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 10 167 16.7 3 | +----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+ | TOTAL | 159 | 6 6 1.0 0 | 750 11904 15.9 65 | +----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+ Seasons among the league's top 10 Receptions: 1991-2, 1992-7, 1993-3, 1995-5 Receiving yards: 1991-1, 1992-2, 1993-2, 1994-8, 1995-4, 1997-8t Receiving TDs: 1991-9t, 1992-8t, 1993-9t, 1995-10t, 1997-6t Yards from scrimmage: 1991-4, 1992-10, 1993-8, 1995-9 Among the league's all-time top 50 Receptions: 18t Receiving yards: 14 Receiving TDs: 35t Yards from scrimmage: 38 The numbers from then and now are skewed. It's a mistake to compare today's stats with stats 20,30 or 40 years ago. Bob Hayes changed the game. It was because of him that zone defenses were created. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anagramking Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 Not making a case either way; just putting the info out there to discuss. I think it all makes for interesting discussion. I don't think Too Tall will get in, though. As I said before, the foray into boxing hurt his chances, and Randy White was the real star of that defensive line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidcrystalcompass Posted February 8, 2006 Author Share Posted February 8, 2006 QUOTE (anagramking @ Feb 7 2006, 02:24 PM) Not making a case either way; just putting the info out there to discuss. I think it all makes for interesting discussion. I don't think Too Tall will get in, though. As I said before, the foray into boxing hurt his chances, and Randy White was the real star of that defensive line. Randy White was a star but so was Too Tall. He played 15 seasons with the Cowboys and never missed a game. He played in 232 consecutive games (a Cowboy record). Ed "Too Tall" Jones is the cause for the passes deflected stat. He had 57 sacks in his career though his position in the Flex defense wasn't conducive for sack totals. It's much deeper than mere stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anagramking Posted February 8, 2006 Share Posted February 8, 2006 QUOTE (liquidcrystalcompass @ Feb 7 2006, 08:11 PM) QUOTE (anagramking @ Feb 7 2006, 02:24 PM) Not making a case either way; just putting the info out there to discuss. I think it all makes for interesting discussion. I don't think Too Tall will get in, though. As I said before, the foray into boxing hurt his chances, and Randy White was the real star of that defensive line. Randy White was a star but so was Too Tall. He played 15 seasons with the Cowboys and never missed a game. He played in 232 consecutive games (a Cowboy record). Ed "Too Tall" Jones is the cause for the passes deflected stat. He had 57 sacks in his career though his position in the Flex defense wasn't conducive for sack totals. It's much deeper than mere stats. It's harder to get in without the stats they look for. I have similar thoughts about border line players in baseball. Don't forget all the blocks on field goal and extra point attempts he had before the rules were changed. I remember seeing a lot of those. But what do you think of Too Tall versus Richard Dent? Who should be inducted first? Mind you, though I live in Chicago, I do not have a Bears bias by any means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weakly Criminal Posted February 8, 2006 Share Posted February 8, 2006 Very interesting stat's indeed LCC. I must admit that LS's stat's are better than I remember them to be. It looks like the only advantage DP has are a result of his greater longevity. LS was a bit more athletic and more capable of the spectacular play, though DP certainly was spectacular at times. Perhaps you could say DP was a better possession guy with better hands. I would still maintain that DP was the more valuable player to his team outside of the SB. The Hayes - Irvin stat's are no comparison IMO. Now I'm a Bob Hayes fan and was very glad to have been present at his very deserving ring of honor induction, but after his absolutely awesome first two years he really became rather average statistically. No doubt he was garnering so much attention that he was still a great advantage to the 'Boys, and I don't want to call him a one trick pony but.... Irvin also changed the game with his very physical, some would say borderline dirty style of play. I have never seen a WR play with more heart than MI. He imposed his will on defenses and refused to be denied. Perhaps Rice was a better WR, but if the two were to fight, my money would be on The Playmaker. MI was also the natural leader of the 'Boys and it was his attitude the whole team took on which led them to overcome the loss of Jimmy to make SB history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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