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For "all intents and purposes" Rush is retired. Perhaps a one off like the SARS charity show, that would be a long shot. And most likely that would be "Geddy n Alex of Rush." Even longer would be a brief stint, mostly in Europe, to say the farewell they never got to over there since Neil insisted on no R40 second leg. In this alternate reality, since there would be very few shows, demand would be overwhelming. Even el Presidente will want to attend. No need to worry about them hitting the casino circuit.

So I'm not buying you Fountain of Lamneth for the holidays? Nice avatar, liked the U2 one also...

Temple of the Dog Nov 7, 2016 MSG This being the only NYC show ever for TotD, how could this Seattle 90s aficionado not show up? Time to get on stub hub, get off my arse, and train it into the city! The legendary instrumentalists of Pearl Jam with Soundgarden's Chris Cornell fronting? Will I ever get this opportunity again? Also considering the incredibly unique story how Pearl Jam should never have existed if Andrew Wood did not succumb to addiction. How the TotD sessions served as a musical introduction to three future PJ members with one of the future all time great rock singers. As the band takes the stage, the legendary Mike McCready in his usual spot stage right, with Jeff, Stone and Matt all in their usual PJ stage spots. Then out walks Chris Cornell, very surreal these five on the MSG stage together. The walk on song was Man of Golden Words, as a tribute to Wood. Surreal. Chilling. They begin the show with the never before performed (by TotD) in NYC - Say Hello to Heaven, the sellout crowd elevates. There is a certain electricity when a band is charged by a crowd from in front and behind the stage, let alone opening with a tune addressing emotions that document the structural change in rock history as a result of the circumstances that led to TotD, and subsequently, PJ. Watching these five musicians live as I often have in the past, the PJ guys with their very familiar styles, but playing songs I have never seen them play. And Cornell,what is this, the seventh different band I've seen him front? Since they only recorded ten tunes, they were obviously going to play a lot of covers. Cornell sang admirably Wood's lines on the handful of MLB songs performed. McCreadys tone on Sabbath's War Pigs was spot on, and Cornell has the range to pull off Ozzy's vocal. Getting to hear River of Deceit, and reflect live at a packed MSG the legacy of AIC's and Mad Season's Layne Staley as well, how many shows have I ever attended like this one - in the same arena as my 4th and final R40 show :( On Hunger Strike, Cornell had the crowd screaming Eddie's parts. How many wows are allowed in one show? They also covered Bowie (seriously guys, how much emotion are we going for?), Zep, The Cure and Free. The setlist: Man of Golden Words (Mother Love Bone song) (piano instrumental) Say Hello 2 Heaven Wooden Jesus Call Me a Dog Your Saviour Stardog Champion (Mother Love Bone cover) Stargazer (Mother Love Bone cover) Seasons (Chris Cornell song) Jump Into the Fire (Harry Nilsson cover) Four Walled World I’m a Mover (Free cover) Pushin Forward Back Hunger Strike Quicksand (David Bowie cover) Heartshine (Mother Love Bone cover) River of Deceit (Mad Season cover) Holy Roller (Mother Love Bone cover) Reach Down Encore: Man of Golden Words (Mother Love Bone cover) (Cornell solo acoustic) (with ‘Comfortably Numb’ (Pink Floyd) tag) Times of Trouble Achilles Last Stand (Led Zeppelin cover) Missing (Chris Cornell song) Fascination Street (The Cure cover) War Pigs (Black Sabbath cover) Encore 2: All Night Thing —

I DEMAND A TEARS-RIVENDELL-MADRIGAL ACOUSTIC SET!!!! Oh... My GOD that would be amazing Well, it's just Geddy and Alex now. So.... Really though, I CAN imagine Geddy and Alex playing a couple of HOURS PER NIGHT AT METLIFE STADIUM FOR A WEEK. Not as a regular thing but for someone's birthday bash OR for the bar's birthday or something important. After all, Geddy and Alex HAVE NoT performed Rush songs in there before without Neil. I'd say fixed but don't think you'd appreciate...figured I'd share anyways ;) peace on!

So sad. Just listened to Knife Edge and Take a Pebble the other day, thinking of Keith and blown away by Greg's singing and ELPs musicianship. Not knowing at the time this would be my last listen with Greg with us. Greg also brilliant on King Crimson's 21st Century Schizoid Man...that tune blew me away when I first heard it way back. A must listen for all prog rockers. Like Rush on steroids. .

Exactly like a cheeseburger, the bass drums always better double.

Got my version on Amazon and it worked well, except for the ending where Neil states he will be drumming for the Rockettes Christmas Spectacular at Radio City the next three years. .

One bad move on this tour and the next couple was that they played too many shows, wearing Neil down, and then he didn't have enough juice left for even a shortened second leg on R40. Damn, had to wait 34 years for a set list that good.

I don't think it got any stars (perhaps they didn't award them then). It shows 5 stars on the RS website but they're all blank. The review I found online,actually dates from the seventies in 1980, was very complimentary.

Actually PeW got 5 stars from Rolling Stone (Wow! I don't recall ANY good press for them back in the day) but they trashed Signals with 2 stars... "On their twelfth album, Rush makes a strong argument for the view that advanced technology is not necessarily the same thing as progress. Unfortunately, they do so largely by screwing up. Although Signals is chockablock with state-of-the-studio gadgetry, ranging from the requisite banks of synthesizers to the latest in digital recording and mixing, none of these electronic add-ons enhances the group's music. If anything, Rush emerges from this jungle of wires and gizmos sounding duller than ever." http://www.rollingstone.com/music/albumreviews/signals-19821028

Without a doubt, NO! What matters most regarding the media is the lack of respect Rush received during their peak 1976 to 1986 era. Then the late 80s and early 90s arrive, and we learn that many widely respected Rock musicians cite Rush as a major influence. So the press realizes, hey maybe Rush is not a joke, but the real deal. Plus the staying power of their devoted fans certain helped change the tide. Surprising some fans are willing to let the media off the hook on this one.

Mushroom soup and mushroom clouds for Christmas, yummy!!!! .

Seriously, Vapour Trails by The Hip is a much better song

Well one of Rush did anyway... http://www.2112.net/...guitarworld.htm Rush are also on record as saying that all of their decisions are unanimous or they don't go forward. You'll need to pick which one to believe. They decided to leave out the U because Geddy and Alex didn't care as much about it as Neil did, and didn't want to pursue the argument. That is not inconsistent with a unanimous decision. Inconsistent with a unanimous decision would be something more like "Yeah, me and Alex thought it should be spelled with a U but that bastard Neil went behind our backs and arranged for it to be spelled without one, and by the time we found out, it was too late/not worth it to try to change it!" That's what I said? Not that I could tell! You seem to me to be saying that the fact that Vapor Trails is spelled without the U contradicts the statement that all of their decisions are unanimous or they don't go forward, and I don't believe that it does. Not at all. I'm saying either they made a unanimous decision or geddy and Alex wanted it with a U while Neil overruled their decision. Both can't be true. The best version is... VAPOUR Trails by The Tragically Hip mic drop.

Yes. First time I saw them do an extended set of 70s material since MP tour (back then it would have been difficult NOT to!). Next tour came Signals - the comedy and overall goofiness - and focus on their synth material live. Gone was their edgy and heavy live sound . A rather long wait, then 35 R40 shows later, history written. That's what made their first ever lack of a second leg disappointing, they FINALLY featured an extended set of 70s material, ONLY because it was their last chance to do so.

Yes but odds are had he not travelled that way he probably wouldn't have toured past Vapor Trails. According to what Neil wrote in Ghost Rider, funds needed to be replenished after the hiatus. So we got a 13 year bonus section to his career. Had concerts in the 80s and early 90s cost what they do now, inflation adjusted, he possibly would have retired in 1997.

Well it's a cover of a Rush song that has been released as part of a new official Rush box set... ...so...go figure...I am stumped. ...A Rush song obscure to most rock fans, done by a major "Seattle" band, themselves having not released any studio material in three years, it's legit Rush news.

That's where the clips from the doc appear to be from. The quality doesn't look that much better than the low-gen stuff that's already out there, but at least there's an official release. It would have made sense to release the whole show (which I'm sure will happen in the future based on the past several years. Laura Secord.... Capitol Theatre....) I can't remember if I have the Palace DVD or not, but I have the whole show on video. Visually, the 3/8/90 Detroit show is better than Mountainview. You think so? I agree that in terms of wide shots and overall coverage and stuff it's better captured as a show but I've got both the Mountain View and Auburn Hills shows from 1990 and I think Mountain view is much cleaner audio and video-wise. That's why I was shocked to hear people say the bonus content comes from the Auburn Hills proshot. Bordercollie wrote elsewhere - "The Presto footage is indeed from the Auburn Hills March 8 show. Sounded fantastic and looked much better than what has been floating around the internet/trading circles. The played a montage of Red Barchetta through the years and there were brief audio/video clips from various releases, including the "new" Presto footage." But I haven't seen the doc yet so I'll be curious to see for myself. That may be true, but the footage from the doc seems to indicate it's from Auburn Hills because the clothes they are wearing in those clips match the Detroit show. I'm not 100 percent sure on this but I think Auburn Hills may have been a pay-per-view show which would make it more likely that the band would have a copy of it. But then the question becomes: Why not release the whole thing? (I have to admit this is my least favorite tour probably ever, so I would just rather hear the Presto songs and maybe a few other good performances of the oldies.) I think the Mountain View performance is better than Auburn Hills myself, but they may not have a copy of that. Oh, I'm not arguing the source, I'm sure it's Auburn Hills. My "You think so?" was about your last sentence that Auburn Hills is better visually than MV. It's been a while since I've watched both (Have the DVD now but will watch later) but I remember a lot more shots of the band during Auburn Hills, but I think performance-wise and visually Mountain View has the edge, but I just recall a lot of screen shots and dead space when I last watched the Mountain View show (Unless there are different recordings floating around which would mean I have an inferior copy. Mountain view was superior in Audio quality but I felt that the auburn hills pro shot had better video quality. I think both bootlegs kind of suck and the only decent bootleg to come from that tour was a soundboard from the hartford 90, but even then it's still not great. It seems a lot of people were a little weary about the inclusion of the presto footage on Time Stand Still but frankly im so glad they did! Songs like Scars, War Paint, and Superconductor haven't been officially released live and I think the whole album killed great songs with lame production and when played live there was a certain energy that was present that wasn't on the actual album and I think the inclusion of this footage is absolutely necessary. Especially Scars, which I think is such an unappreciated song and I don't get it. Infectious bassline, cool guitar improv by Alex (especially live, he really shreds on his guitar in some sections) and the African style drumming is pretty freaking great. Well said. So much TRF chat about the production of the Presto, RGB and CP era...these albums have strong tunes with confusing production. Seeing a cleaner version of Presto tour (AND THE GIANT RABBITS!!) brought me right back to 1990. These songs were very good live, as was Geddys live vocals back then Hopefully they will release the full show and also material from CP and RtB tours also.

Seeing the Presto footage brings me back to seeing them live so many times in the late eighties and early nineties. The video and sound quality is so much better than the boots on you tube. Cool seeing the giant rabbits again. I always thought Geddys live vocals during this era was superior. I recall thinking while at shows in this era...gee if the "cool music fans" or the "inteligencia" (H/t Billy Corgan) could be here and hear Ged fill this arena with his voice, they would "get" Rush. The new disc brought me right back to that sentiment , almost unexpectedly.

So this is where the 1,569,824 voices silenced went, not counting Not and Earl of course ;) Wow, that's a ton of voices, like 5% of the entire Canada, eh?

"The Soviets are the blues....." We are the new Soviets, comrade. ;)

GET. OVER. IT!!!! To easy to dismiss the feelings this way. I'm sure -- maybe not in the way fraroc phrased it -- many fans are echoing Geddy's feelings.....none of the members of Rush are ancient or disabled, and there are many ways to compromise on the "tour issue." Fewer shows, don't travel by motorcycle, only tour behind a new album, etc. For an endeavor of 40+ years to end so seemingly abruptly has to be a tough pill to swallow, particularly for those involved. And it's natural to wonder if/when Neil might change his mind. Is it abrupt really? Maybe in an obsessed fan's mind. Hasn't Neil stated a few times already that it wasn't a quick decision? And even if it was abrupt, so what? When it comes down to it, nobody owes anything to anyone. I'm as diehard a Rush fan as anyone. He doesn't want to work, he doesn't want to work. As far as fraroc' comment goes, that's just selfish, self-centered crap. And that's the truth. "Because of you" garbage. I'm with Digital Dad and the "Get over it" sentiment. Wanting to see Rush again has a absolutely nothing to do with getting over it. Personally, I have seen about ten fantastic concerts since Rush retired from touring, but it still would have been enjoyable seeing them one last time. I've unequivocally moved on. Seeing the historic and breathtaking Temple of the Dog only show ever in NY on Monday nite and The Hips second to last show ever in Ottawa a few months ago to me represents examples of moving on. Does not preclude my thoughts on Rush's drummer abrupt retirement. And informing fans in February that in May their "most likely last tour of this magnitude" is in fact their last tour ever, is not only abrupt, but drastic. All because one man wanted it that way with no flexibility nor negotiation with his partners. I recall no discussion from Rush regarding their end was imminent until that stunning R40 announcement. To have never performed a setlist consisting of an even distribution of their career catalogue until R40 and the weight of finality was unfortunate. I never said "wanting to see Rush again" and "getting over it" were the same. The "get over it" statement that Digital Dad made earlier was only addressed to fraroc. And I was agreeing with it being directed towards him because if you've read his never ending comments on the matter then you'll know that HE needs to get over it. IMHO, Ron's post was not from the same zone as fraroc's. Ron seems to wonder while fraroc seems to carry a grudge and is eager to blame. You think it was abrupt, I don't. So what? After 40+ years together, and at the pace that they had been going (new music once every five years, the last tour before the announcement of the 'last tour of...magnitude' being a two leg-tour in 2012-'13, and then taking a year and a half off)...I have to agree that it was not abrupt. Gil, I love you dude, but I don't think it was abrupt. I don't know any other band in their 60s who still played the kind of music they were playing- always challenging and demanding the utmost of all three of them, both physically and in terms of technical skill. I'm grateful for every single note, beat, and phrase. And that's it. It's incredible that Geddy and probably Alex would still like to keep going, in some form, with some kind of continuing musical vehicle. Bless 'em for whatever they decide it will be...or even if it doesn't happen at all (but I think it probably will). And I wish Neil every happiness he can enjoy. :) Very well said. Their last tour also was their shortest in decades, probably ever. A shame Rush fans couldn't savor their last chance to enjoy "being in the same room as Rush" just a little longer, especially considering we had to wait decades to hear an hour long string of awesome 70s Rush (including PeW ;) ) at a show. Then it ended. That's life. Neil has certainly earned a long and healthy retirement.

GET. OVER. IT!!!! To easy to dismiss the feelings this way. I'm sure -- maybe not in the way fraroc phrased it -- many fans are echoing Geddy's feelings.....none of the members of Rush are ancient or disabled, and there are many ways to compromise on the "tour issue." Fewer shows, don't travel by motorcycle, only tour behind a new album, etc. For an endeavor of 40+ years to end so seemingly abruptly has to be a tough pill to swallow, particularly for those involved. And it's natural to wonder if/when Neil might change his mind. Is it abrupt really? Maybe in an obsessed fan's mind. Hasn't Neil stated a few times already that it wasn't a quick decision? And even if it was abrupt, so what? When it comes down to it, nobody owes anything to anyone. I'm as diehard a Rush fan as anyone. He doesn't want to work, he doesn't want to work. As far as fraroc' comment goes, that's just selfish, self-centered crap. And that's the truth. "Because of you" garbage. I'm with Digital Dad and the "Get over it" sentiment. Wanting to see Rush again has a absolutely nothing to do with getting over it. Personally, I have seen about ten fantastic concerts since Rush retired from touring, but it still would have been enjoyable seeing them one last time. I've unequivocally moved on. Seeing the historic and breathtaking Temple of the Dog only show ever in NY on Monday nite and The Hips second to last show ever in Ottawa a few months ago to me represents examples of moving on. Does not preclude my thoughts on Rush's drummer abrupt retirement. And informing fans in February that in May their "most likely last tour of this magnitude" is in fact their last tour ever, is not only abrupt, but drastic. All because one man wanted it that way with no flexibility nor negotiation with his partners. I recall no discussion from Rush regarding their end was imminent until that stunning R40 announcement. To have never performed a setlist consisting of an even distribution of their career catalogue until R40 and the weight of finality was unfortunate. I never said "wanting to see Rush again" and "getting over it" were the same. The "get over it" statement that Digital Dad made earlier was only addressed to fraroc. And I was agreeing with it being directed towards him because if you've read his never ending comments on the matter then you'll know that HE needs to get over it. IMHO, Ron's post was not from the same zone as fraroc's. Ron seems to wonder while fraroc seems to carry a grudge and is eager to blame. You think it was abrupt, I don't. So what? True, so what.

GET. OVER. IT!!!! To easy to dismiss the feelings this way. I'm sure -- maybe not in the way fraroc phrased it -- many fans are echoing Geddy's feelings.....none of the members of Rush are ancient or disabled, and there are many ways to compromise on the "tour issue." Fewer shows, don't travel by motorcycle, only tour behind a new album, etc. For an endeavor of 40+ years to end so seemingly abruptly has to be a tough pill to swallow, particularly for those involved. And it's natural to wonder if/when Neil might change his mind. Is it abrupt really? Maybe in an obsessed fan's mind. Hasn't Neil stated a few times already that it wasn't a quick decision? And even if it was abrupt, so what? When it comes down to it, nobody owes anything to anyone. I'm as diehard a Rush fan as anyone. He doesn't want to work, he doesn't want to work. As far as fraroc' comment goes, that's just selfish, self-centered crap. And that's the truth. "Because of you" garbage. I'm with Digital Dad and the "Get over it" sentiment. Wanting to see Rush again has a absolutely nothing to do with getting over it. Personally, I have seen about ten fantastic concerts since Rush retired from touring, but it still would have been enjoyable seeing them one last time. I've unequivocally moved on. Seeing the historic and breathtaking Temple of the Dog only show ever in NY on Monday nite and The Hips second to last show ever in Ottawa a few months ago to me represents examples of moving on. Does not preclude my thoughts on Rush's drummer abrupt retirement. And informing fans in February that in May their "most likely last tour of this magnitude" is in fact their last tour ever, is not only abrupt, but drastic. All because one man wanted it that way with no flexibility nor negotiation with his partners. I recall no discussion from Rush regarding their end was imminent until that stunning R40 announcement. To have never performed a setlist consisting of an even distribution of their career catalogue until R40 and the weight of finality was unfortunate.

Periscope link please (I promise to buy the Blu-ray) .