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#41 tangy

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Posted 09 December 2005 - 07:12 PM

QUOTE (PuppetKing2112 @ Dec 9 2005, 06:53 PM)
I'm with Kazz and Moon on this one. I'm not at all denying that DT are technically proficient musicians, I just think they are extremely boring and their songs go on way too long with needless soloing and such. I have listened to teir entire discography many times, and I cannot gather anything that resembles emotion or soul out of their music. Some highly educated musicians using their music as a forum to show off their technical skills instead of making music that says something. Portnoy annoys me to no end, comparing himself to Neil Peart in every interview. And James LeBrie seems to have no voice of his own. Listen to the Change of Seasons live album. They do Bohemian Rhapsody and he sounds EXACTLY like Freddie Mercury. They do a Zeppelin medley and he sounds EXACTLY like Robert Plant. They do Genesis/Journey/whatever and he sounds EXACTLY like Phil Collins, Steve perry, etc. And they play these songs exactly like the originals. Sure, it's impressive that they can recreate those, but what makes a cover great is when they make it somehow their own, and Dream Theater fails to do that, instead recreating what has already been done exactly. As for their originals, it all strikes me as prog-metal-by-numbers with 10 minute solos that never go anywhere and using everything as an excuse to show off even more. As Kazz said, when Rush fans start loving a different terrible band, we will start bashing them instead of DT. But for now, this is what we have.


Dude, do you hate these guys so much you have to copy and paste your own BS. Hows about a little fresh insight into how much these guys suck.

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I've said this a million times, but this is turning into another DT bashing thread, so I'll have another go...to me, DT seems like they want to BE Rush...especially Portnoy. And they WOULD be a good fourth-rate tribute band, if the only albums Rush had ever made were 2112 and Hemispheres...DT basically focuses on the 20-minute-epic/odd-time-time signature aspect of prog rock, but none of the innovations, or the creativity. The genre is called "PROGRESSIVE" rock MEANING evolution or forward movement, and DT stiffly and expertly recreates things that other people have already done. Kazz is right....DT is really a band of Yngwie Malmsteens, just soloing all the time for the sake of showing off.

LeBrie...on their Change of Seasons live album, he really proves my point of him having no voice of his own. They do a Zeppelin medley, and he sounds EXACTLY like Robert Plant. They do Bohemian Rhapsody, and he sounds EXACTLY like Freddie Mercury. They do Journey, Genesis, etc. and he sounds EXACTLY like Steve Perry/Phil Collins/whoever. HE HAS NO VOICE OF HIS OWN. HIS voice? Generic, insipid operatic-metal voice...worse than Ronnie James Dio, if that's possible.
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Posted 09 December 2005 - 09:44 PM

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dam,i wouldnt listen a groups albums over and over if i didnt like them. wacko.gif

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Posted 09 December 2005 - 09:49 PM

QUOTE (tangdog @ Dec 9 2005, 05:12 PM)
QUOTE (PuppetKing2112 @ Dec 9 2005, 06:53 PM)
I'm with Kazz and Moon on this one. I'm not at all denying that DT are technically proficient musicians, I just think they are extremely boring and their songs go on way too long with needless soloing and such. I have listened to teir entire discography many times, and I cannot gather anything that resembles emotion or soul out of their music. Some highly educated musicians using their music as a forum to show off their technical skills instead of making music that says something. Portnoy annoys me to no end, comparing himself to Neil Peart in every interview. And James LeBrie seems to have no voice of his own. Listen to the Change of Seasons live album. They do Bohemian Rhapsody and he sounds EXACTLY like Freddie Mercury. They do a Zeppelin medley and he sounds EXACTLY like Robert Plant. They do Genesis/Journey/whatever and he sounds EXACTLY like Phil Collins, Steve perry, etc. And they play these songs exactly like the originals. Sure, it's impressive that they can recreate those, but what makes a cover great is when they make it somehow their own, and Dream Theater fails to do that, instead recreating what has already been done exactly. As for their originals, it all strikes me as prog-metal-by-numbers with 10 minute solos that never go anywhere and using everything as an excuse to show off even more. As Kazz said, when Rush fans start loving a different terrible band, we will start bashing them instead of DT. But for now, this is what we have.


Dude, do you hate these guys so much you have to copy and paste your own BS. Hows about a little fresh insight into how much these guys suck.

As you said and can be found on this site back in July:

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I've said this a million times, but this is turning into another DT bashing thread, so I'll have another go...to me, DT seems like they want to BE Rush...especially Portnoy. And they WOULD be a good fourth-rate tribute band, if the only albums Rush had ever made were 2112 and Hemispheres...DT basically focuses on the 20-minute-epic/odd-time-time signature aspect of prog rock, but none of the innovations, or the creativity. The genre is called "PROGRESSIVE" rock MEANING evolution or forward movement, and DT stiffly and expertly recreates things that other people have already done. Kazz is right....DT is really a band of Yngwie Malmsteens, just soloing all the time for the sake of showing off.

LeBrie...on their Change of Seasons live album, he really proves my point of him having no voice of his own. They do a Zeppelin medley, and he sounds EXACTLY like Robert Plant. They do Bohemian Rhapsody, and he sounds EXACTLY like Freddie Mercury. They do Journey, Genesis, etc. and he sounds EXACTLY like Steve Perry/Phil Collins/whoever. HE HAS NO VOICE OF HIS OWN. HIS voice? Generic, insipid operatic-metal voice...worse than Ronnie James Dio, if that's possible.
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They wanted a thread about DT with no (if not limited) bashing and yet you start poking at it...wacko.gif

If you want to start bashing...why don't you revisit the other threads?  
and I thought that maybe JUST maybe this thread would turn out to be ok...

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Posted 09 December 2005 - 09:54 PM

But it's funner with more drama and people bickering at each other. All good threads would be boring.


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Posted 09 December 2005 - 09:56 PM

QUOTE (Indica @ Dec 9 2005, 07:54 PM)
But it's funner with more drama and people bickering at each other. All good threads would be boring.


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Posted 10 December 2005 - 12:09 AM

I personally LOVE Dream Theater, but what I think is funny is that a while back, I started a Green Day thread, that didnt even get HALF as much bashing, than I have seen on DT threads...which to ME is VERY VERY odd!  confused13.gif  LOL. But, oh well..  sarcasm.gif

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Posted 10 December 2005 - 12:16 AM

QUOTE (tangdog @ Dec 9 2005, 07:12 PM)
QUOTE (PuppetKing2112 @ Dec 9 2005, 06:53 PM)
I'm with Kazz and Moon on this one. I'm not at all denying that DT are technically proficient musicians, I just think they are extremely boring and their songs go on way too long with needless soloing and such. I have listened to teir entire discography many times, and I cannot gather anything that resembles emotion or soul out of their music. Some highly educated musicians using their music as a forum to show off their technical skills instead of making music that says something. Portnoy annoys me to no end, comparing himself to Neil Peart in every interview. And James LeBrie seems to have no voice of his own. Listen to the Change of Seasons live album. They do Bohemian Rhapsody and he sounds EXACTLY like Freddie Mercury. They do a Zeppelin medley and he sounds EXACTLY like Robert Plant. They do Genesis/Journey/whatever and he sounds EXACTLY like Phil Collins, Steve perry, etc. And they play these songs exactly like the originals. Sure, it's impressive that they can recreate those, but what makes a cover great is when they make it somehow their own, and Dream Theater fails to do that, instead recreating what has already been done exactly. As for their originals, it all strikes me as prog-metal-by-numbers with 10 minute solos that never go anywhere and using everything as an excuse to show off even more. As Kazz said, when Rush fans start loving a different terrible band, we will start bashing them instead of DT. But for now, this is what we have.


Dude, do you hate these guys so much you have to copy and paste your own BS. Hows about a little fresh insight into how much these guys suck.

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I've said this a million times, but this is turning into another DT bashing thread, so I'll have another go...to me, DT seems like they want to BE Rush...especially Portnoy. And they WOULD be a good fourth-rate tribute band, if the only albums Rush had ever made were 2112 and Hemispheres...DT basically focuses on the 20-minute-epic/odd-time-time signature aspect of prog rock, but none of the innovations, or the creativity. The genre is called "PROGRESSIVE" rock MEANING evolution or forward movement, and DT stiffly and expertly recreates things that other people have already done. Kazz is right....DT is really a band of Yngwie Malmsteens, just soloing all the time for the sake of showing off.

LeBrie...on their Change of Seasons live album, he really proves my point of him having no voice of his own. They do a Zeppelin medley, and he sounds EXACTLY like Robert Plant. They do Bohemian Rhapsody, and he sounds EXACTLY like Freddie Mercury. They do Journey, Genesis, etc. and he sounds EXACTLY like Steve Perry/Phil Collins/whoever. HE HAS NO VOICE OF HIS OWN. HIS voice? Generic, insipid operatic-metal voice...worse than Ronnie James Dio, if that's possible.
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Posted 10 December 2005 - 02:27 AM

QUOTE (tick @ Dec 9 2005, 03:57 PM)
dam,i wouldnt listen a groups albums over and over if i didnt like them. wacko.gif

Sometimes albums grow on you after a while. I didn't get Radiohead for three years until like a month ago, and now they're one of my favorite bands. I tried with DT, and I just couldn't get anything out of it.

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Posted 10 December 2005 - 02:56 AM

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He was just asking a question...settle down...

When someone poses a question as "dreamline what the f**k are you talking about!!!! " I guess I just get kinda twitchy. Maybe it's not me that needs to "settle down"  sad.gif  

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Posted 10 December 2005 - 02:59 AM

QUOTE (PuppetKing2112 @ Dec 9 2005, 11:53 PM)
And they play these songs exactly like the originals. Sure, it's impressive that they can recreate those, but what makes a cover great is when they make it somehow their own, and Dream Theater fails to do that, instead recreating what has already been done exactly.

Someone hasn't listened to Change of Seasons as closely as they claim.

It's well known amongst Deep Purple fans that the song Perfect Strangers is about the only Blackmore-era tune that doesn't really feature a guitar solo - yet on the DT cover there is an extended solo from John Petrucci.

Exactly like the original? I don't think so.

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Posted 10 December 2005 - 03:06 AM

If I didn't know any better, I'd think I was in a Dream Theater thread on a Rush board!  tongue.gif  

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Posted 10 December 2005 - 11:34 AM

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If I didn't know any better, I'd think I was in a Dream Theater thread on a Rush board!  tongue.gif

Off hand I can't even think of one DT song.  I know that from this board I'm curious to hear them.  Maybe I have heard them, but if I did then they obviously weren't much for me to NOTICE them.  All I can say is that from what I've read, I think Portney is a douche.  But until I hear them, i can't really make a call on their music.  I think my buddy, GhostWriter, has been talking about them to me lately, so he must have some of their stuff.  I'll have him burn me some of what he thinks is good and we'll see.  

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Posted 10 December 2005 - 11:37 AM

QUOTE (Dreamline @ Dec 10 2005, 12:56 AM)
QUOTE (D-13 @ Dec 9 2005, 10:16 PM)

He was just asking a question...settle down...

When someone poses a question as "dreamline what the f**k are you talking about!!!! " I guess I just get kinda twitchy. Maybe it's not me that needs to "settle down"  sad.gif

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Posted 10 December 2005 - 01:21 PM

QUOTE (Dreamline @ Dec 9 2005, 11:59 PM)
QUOTE (PuppetKing2112 @ Dec 9 2005, 11:53 PM)
And they play these songs exactly like the originals. Sure, it's impressive that they can recreate those, but what makes a cover great is when they make it somehow their own, and Dream Theater fails to do that, instead recreating what has already been done exactly.

Someone hasn't listened to Change of Seasons as closely as they claim.

It's well known amongst Deep Purple fans that the song Perfect Strangers is about the only Blackmore-era tune that doesn't really feature a guitar solo - yet on the DT cover there is an extended solo from John Petrucci.

Exactly like the original? I don't think so.

I'm actually not very familiar with Deep Purple's work...

But Bohemian Rhapsody? The Zeppelin medley? Yeah, exactly the same.

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Posted 10 December 2005 - 01:39 PM

QUOTE (queenshall @ Dec 8 2005, 07:52 AM)
wink.gif Tick.... what would you recomend to novice dream theater listener ?? wink.gif


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Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From a Memory is an epic concept album based on Metropolis from the Images and Words album. SFAM is DT's best selling and IMO greatest recording achievement.  It is also virtuoso keyboardist Jordan Rudess' first album with the band.

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Posted 10 December 2005 - 01:40 PM

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wink.gif Tick.... what would you recomend to novice dream theater listener ?? wink.gif


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Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From a Memory is an epic concept album based on Metropolis from the Images and Words album. SFAM is DT's best selling and IMO greatest recording achievement.  It is also virtuoso keyboardist Jordan Rudess' first album with the band.

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Posted 10 December 2005 - 01:40 PM

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wink.gif Tick.... what would you recomend to novice dream theater listener ?? wink.gif


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Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From a Memory is an epic concept album based on Metropolis from the Images and Words album. SFAM is DT's best selling and IMO greatest recording achievement.  It is also virtuoso keyboardist Jordan Rudess' first album with the band.

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Posted 10 December 2005 - 02:30 PM

to all the dream theater bashers,blah blah blah,im tired of hearing why you dont like the band.i dont care if you like them or not,im more interested in hearing from people who do.if you dont like dream theater dont waste your time here.
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Posted 10 December 2005 - 02:38 PM

QUOTE (ALifeson85 @ Dec 10 2005, 12:09 AM)
I personally LOVE Dream Theater, but what I think is funny is that a while back, I started a Green Day thread, that didnt even get HALF as much bashing, than I have seen on DT threads...which to ME is VERY VERY odd!  confused13.gif  LOL. But, oh well..  sarcasm.gif

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Posted 10 December 2005 - 02:48 PM

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QUOTE (ALifeson85 @ Dec 10 2005, 12:09 AM)
I personally LOVE Dream Theater, but what I think is funny is that a while back, I started a Green Day thread, that didnt even get HALF as much bashing, than I have seen on DT threads...which to ME is VERY VERY odd!  confused13.gif  LOL. But, oh well..  sarcasm.gif

I missed a Green Day bashing? doh.gif

It actually wasn't as much of a bashing as you would have liked.




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