trenken Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 QUOTE (rushgoober @ Jun 4 2010, 08:44 PM) I've been considering the lyrics to this song. It seems to talk about what he doesn't believe in by talking about what he was brought up to believe, but it doesn't necessarily state what he DOES believe in other than "NOT THAT." He also seems to have a sneering contemptuousness for people who do believe in these things, and that I find to be kind of a turn off personally. My point exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lerxt1990 Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 QUOTE (trenken @ Jun 4 2010, 10:09 PM) QUOTE (upstateNYfan @ Jun 4 2010, 08:40 PM) He believes in himself as well as his loved ones (friends, family, etc.). His faith lies in humanity and in its ability to overcome. He mocks God in the lyrics of BU2B in the line "While our loving watchmaker loves us all to death." It's brilliant, especially the parallel of watchmaker with "Time Machine," "horologist," etc. Calling it brilliant is subjective. Im not a god loving man, and im not religious. I take a more indifferent approach to it all, seeing as how there is no way for me to explain any of this, Im not dumb enough to say there is no god, but I wont worship anything I cant see. So to me he just comes off as childish in how he's so sure of what he believes in. Religious ppl believe there is a god, he doesnt believe in any of that, but the fact is, how can we know one way or another? Our brains arent supposed to know. But he just goes on attacking the idea of it, and it makes him look like an idiot. As smart as he may seem, even though so many of his lyrics are ripped from the authors he admires, its seems to me like he isnt really the smartest guy in the world. I havent suffered through the tragedies that he has, but at the same time I cannot ever see myself being so introverted as he is. I cant help but feel bad for him and his dark view of the world. I cant relate to that. In a short time he'll be dead, as we all will, lets celebrate what's good in the world instead of crying about the shit we cant control or understand, which he's made a career of doing. He's so emo, without the eyeliner. Crying about the shit we cant control is a lot of what comprises art. Perhaps youd like movies like Bambi and no movies like Casino. Is this drivel night on the board? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mara Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 What I find interesting is how so many people seem to have Neil's personality all figured out, based on some lyrics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Xanadu93 Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 QUOTE (trenken @ Jun 4 2010, 10:09 PM)He's so emo, without the eyeliner. http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee136/suwarnaadi/petewentz.jpg Neil should definitely try that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lerxt1990 Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 ooh, neil with eyeliner. that would so... not work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digital Snowdog Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 QUOTE (Mara @ Jun 4 2010, 09:26 PM) What I find interesting is how so many people seem to have Neil's personality all figured out, based on some lyrics. we've got a lot more than just lyrics. We've got books, a web site, what Ged and Lerxst have referred to. However, the lyrics are telling arent they? He has been dwelling in this place for years now. Either he is just yanking our chain, seeing how much we will think about it, or more likely, it is a reflection of what's going on in his brain. Knowing how lyrics have always been a response to what he was thinking, reading, experiencing, I don't see you objectively minimize them here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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apetersvt Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 QUOTE (-D-RocK- @ Jun 2 2010, 04:10 PM) What makes you think he has alot of anger? I think that is an asinine statement quite frankly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaportrails14 Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 "some will be rewarded, the devil will take the rest" IMO the some is some believers will be rewarded that are true believers, as for the rest well the devil will take Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Slanny Ganizat Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 I know a lot of people who have questioned what they were taught their entire childhood because it didn't make sense, but later in life found something better, whatever it may have been. In spite of all the evidences of Neil's current distaste for religion, perhaps BU2B is not really a reflection on his current beliefs, but a celebration that what he was brought up to believe in was thankfully not at all what he has come to find for himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaportrails14 Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 or maybe BU2B is just a really kick ass song Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digital Snowdog Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 QUOTE (The Slanny Ganizat @ Jun 5 2010, 02:18 AM) I know a lot of people who have questioned what they were taught their entire childhood because it didn't make sense, but later in life found something better, whatever it may have been. In spite of all the evidences of Neil's current distaste for religion, perhaps BU2B is not really a reflection on his current beliefs, but a celebration that what he was brought up to believe in was thankfully not at all what he has come to find for himself. I wish I could believe that. I looked at the lyrics again and "Until our final breath, the joy and pain we receive, must be what we deserve, I was BU2B" just seems so cynical rather than comfort in a place found. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digital Snowdog Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 QUOTE (apetersvt @ Jun 4 2010, 11:37 PM) QUOTE (-D-RocK- @ Jun 2 2010, 04:10 PM) What makes you think he has alot of anger? I think that is an asinine statement quite frankly. Perhaps anger is not the word, but there is clearly a cynicism toward religion, maybe all religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowtrooper1966 Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 There are few things more polarizing than the religion topic. I don't get that the lyrics for BU2B are a negative jab at belief systems. In all my years enjoying the three magician's offerings, I have rarely taken any of the lyrics literally. Great use of metaphors for stunning visual imagery is what I hear more often than not. Heaven and hell mentioned in this song need not be taken so seriously, IMHO. As wisely observed above, I feel the lyrics usually are aimed at getting us to think outside the box, and that includes interpretation of the words accompanying music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rushgoober Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 QUOTE (Digital Snowdog @ Jun 5 2010, 04:42 AM) QUOTE (The Slanny Ganizat @ Jun 5 2010, 02:18 AM) I know a lot of people who have questioned what they were taught their entire childhood because it didn't make sense, but later in life found something better, whatever it may have been. In spite of all the evidences of Neil's current distaste for religion, perhaps BU2B is not really a reflection on his current beliefs, but a celebration that what he was brought up to believe in was thankfully not at all what he has come to find for himself. I wish I could believe that. I looked at the lyrics again and "Until our final breath, the joy and pain we receive, must be what we deserve, I was BU2B" just seems so cynical rather than comfort in a place found. Yeah, I don't believe that either. He seems to be pretty clearly saying that people blindly follow (blind man in the market) God (the watchmaker) who's just going to kill them in the end (loves us all to death), essentially saying what did all your mindless following get you? It seems to imply a position of some moral superiority, which ironically is probably some aspect of people who believe in God that he fights against. It doesn't even leave room for people who don't believe the way they were brought up, but still are believers in God in some way, because he's saying if you believe in God, God is just going to kill you and there's no plan or rhyme or reason. It's all pretty crystal clear to me in the lyrics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReflectedLight Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 he's certainly dealt with alot of suffering in his life but also has picked himself up and built a whole new great one for himself. the hurt will always be there but he's not the only one in this life that has suffered greatly and battled back, but isn't that a good enough reason to put together something that's more uplifting or positive? those of us who have been to hell and back understand this. i think most of us were expecting or looking forward to something different than neil's preachy lyrics on religion, but sometimes you don't always get what you want. cmon neil, stop sitting on those hot coals and give us something different cus i'm sick of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rushgoober Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 QUOTE (ReflectedLight @ Jun 5 2010, 08:14 AM) he's certainly dealt with alot of suffering in his life but also has picked himself up and built a whole new great one for himself. the hurt will always be there but he's not the only one in this life that has suffered greatly and battled back, but isn't that a good enough reason to put together something that's more uplifting or positive? those of us who have been to hell and back understand this. i think most of us were expecting or looking forward to something different than neil's preachy lyrics on religion, but sometimes you don't always get what you want. cmon neil, stop sitting on those hot coals and give us something different cus i'm sick of it. it is getting old. give us something just a little uplifting. hopefully if it's a concept album it will come to some sort of more uplifting resolution. i doubt it, but i guess it's possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReflectedLight Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 QUOTE (rushgoober @ Jun 5 2010, 11:11 AM) QUOTE (ReflectedLight @ Jun 5 2010, 08:14 AM) he's certainly dealt with alot of suffering in his life but also has picked himself up and built a whole new great one for himself. the hurt will always be there but he's not the only one in this life that has suffered greatly and battled back, but isn't that a good enough reason to put together something that's more uplifting or positive? those of us who have been to hell and back understand this. i think most of us were expecting or looking forward to something different than neil's preachy lyrics on religion, but sometimes you don't always get what you want. cmon neil, stop sitting on those hot coals and give us something different cus i'm sick of it. it is getting old. give us something just a little uplifting. hopefully if it's a concept album it will come to some sort of more uplifting resolution. i doubt it, but i guess it's possible. one can only hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 *treeduck sits back and admires the pre-Neil Rush logo* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
presto123 Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 QUOTE (traeplien @ Jun 2 2010, 04:24 PM) QUOTE (osage2112 @ Jun 2 2010, 04:07 PM) He's got a lot of anger, directed at Religion, so I guess he believes in a Watchmaker, but does not like him very much. He sounds like a Diest...God exists, but has taken a Hands Off approach to his creation. Your take??? Be gentle. I'm not trying to pin the guy down (He don't have to share anything of my beliefs), just throwing out a supposition, sayin. Osage Why does God have to always be pooled with religion? I think religion is a joke but there is not a person alive who more strongly believe in a higher power than myself. Is Neil an atheist or just agnostic? Great post. I believe in a higher power as well but think a lot of religion is a joke. I see people all around me that go to church every week and then forget everything they were taught by the book as soon as they walk out the doors. I guess because they are actually GOING they will be spared come judgement day. Give me a break. I think Neil is just saying think for yourself and decide for yourself what your beliefs are. He's not bashing religion by any stretch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave @Lakeside Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 Yes Neil is angry. He has a right to be. BU2B seem related to Faithless- could be a part two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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