Frank Thomas Retires

[Xanadoood]

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/Frank-T...-seasons-021210

 

Yes or No for the Hall?..

 

I think hes a lock his first year.

[MULTIPLIED REACTION]

Yes, but maybe not his first time. The BBWA are hard to figure most of the time.

[lerxt1990]

QUOTE (Xanadoood @ Feb 13 2010, 02:20 PM)

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/Frank-T...-seasons-021210 Yes or No for the Hall?.. I think hes a lock his first year.

"A five-time All-Star who batted .301 with a .419 on-base average, Thomas is tied for 18th with Ted Williams and Willie McCovey on baseball's home run list while driving in 1,704 runs. And in an era clouded by performance-enhancing drugs, he was outspoken against their use."

 

I say yes, and I say 'atta boy.

[PuppetKing2112]

Clearly yes.

[Test4VitalSigns]

Definitely a HOF.

 

A player who didn't NEED to do junk to play well. He was always a huge physical player from the beginning.

[lerxt1990]

QUOTE (Test4VitalSigns @ Feb 13 2010, 06:32 PM)

Definitely a HOF. A player who didn't NEED to do junk to play well. He was always a huge physical player from the beginning.

http://www.therushforum.com/html/emoticons/yes.gif Awesome player.

[RUSHHEAD666]

Instant Hall Of Famer!!

 

I have always loved The Big Hurt, and I really loved him when he came to Oakland and hit 39 home runs.

Oh and he blasted a few bombs against the Twinkies in the playoffs! We crushed Minnesota that year!

 

Frank Thomas rules, and I really believe that he was totally clean from steroids. Frank didn't need them!

Neither does Ken Griffey Jr. My other all time favorite NON-Athletic.

[mankad89]

No question. The man was an offensive force.

[rummut71]

Hall... All the way.

 

I watched him play all of the time during the 90's as I am A White Sox fan... His ability to bat for average, hit for power, be an RBI machine, along with having such a good eye he would walk 100+ times a year guaranteed made him a marvel to watch...

 

We don't need to bring up the steroid factor, because he is one of the few players that really REALLY pitched a bitch about it. He did it clean, making his #s look even more impressive. He would have had a 3rd MVP, but Giambi got it instead, tainted w/Oakland. Dick. http://www.therushforum.com/html/emoticons/tongue.gif

 

Frank did have an attitude problem at times, but your personality does not come into play when voting. I am glad that bad blood between him and Sox has been resolved and buried. They will retire #35 sometime this year. They should, because he is one of, if not the best, players ever to don the black and white...

 

I would say my first trip to the hall would be in 2014 for his induction but for one thing:

 

Greg Maddux and Tom Glavine become hall eligible in the same year. I don't know if there's enough room for everyone to get the 75% needed in the same year. Maddux is a lock. Doesn't leave much wiggle room.

 

Long story short: Frank was the man. Hall for certain.

[raygun47]

Maddux and Glavine are first vote Hall of Famers. And they deserve to be voted in as such. If either were left out the first time...it would show how silly the voting process is for sure. So...I guess we'll wait and see.

 

Big White Sox fan...so that being said...he should be in. He was the most dominant hitter for a stretch that I ever remember seeing, and I watch a little baseball. I don't see him getting in the first time out. Call it a hunch. I'd love to see it, but I get the feeling he hung on too long. I think it might cloud the judgment of some voters. And he was kind of a wiener sometimes. I met him in '92...and he was real cool, but I'll never forget the way Kenny Williams let him have it in Chicago...and no one came to his defense.

 

Love the game...but I think the second or third time might be the one.

[ReRushed]

No question.

 

The fact he hasn't been attached to steroid use, I can't imagine he's not in on the first ballot.

[troutman]

QUOTE (Test4VitalSigns @ Feb 13 2010, 02:32 PM)

Definitely a HOF. A player who didn't NEED to do junk to play well.  He was always a huge physical player from the beginning.

Let's hope not. Only time will tell. http://www.therushforum.com/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif

 

 

[Rush Cocky]

I guess with a 0.301 lifetime BA and 521 HRs he gets in.

 

I guess I have to accept on faith that he stayed clean of PEDs, since MLB has a done a shitty job of monitoring that during his tenure.

 

Apart from Griffry Jr., I'm not really sure who the clean guys are these days.

[mankad89]

QUOTE (Rush Cocky @ Feb 16 2010, 09:56 AM)

I guess with a 0.301 lifetime BA and 521 HRs he gets in. I guess I have to accept on faith that he stayed clean of PEDs, since MLB has a done a shitty job of monitoring that during his tenure. Apart from Griffry Jr., I'm not really sure who the clean guys are these days.

I'm convinced Pujols is clean, but I don't know if I'm in the minority

[ouchithurts]

I say no. More games 1311 at DH than at 1B, 971.

 

He was primarily a DH. If he had gotten 3K hits like Molitor I would have said yes.

[Rush Cocky]

QUOTE (ouchithurts @ Feb 16 2010, 12:09 PM)

I say no. More games 1311 at DH than at 1B, 971. He was primarily a DH. If he had gotten 3K hits like Molitor I would have said yes.

That's a good point.

 

And Hurt didn't even have 2,500 hits.

[Test4VitalSigns]

QUOTE (ouchithurts @ Feb 16 2010, 12:09 PM)

I say no. More games 1311 at DH than at 1B, 971. He was primarily a DH. If he had gotten 3K hits like Molitor I would have said yes.

Molitor played 44% of his games as a DH. Not as much as Frank but still that is almost half of his career as a DH and he got in no problem.

[Rush Cocky]

QUOTE (Test4VitalSigns @ Feb 16 2010, 12:52 PM)

QUOTE (ouchithurts @ Feb 16 2010, 12:09 PM) I say no. More games 1311 at DH than at 1B, 971. He was primarily a DH. If he had gotten 3K hits like Molitor I would have said yes. Molitor played 44% of his games as a DH. Not as much as Frank but still that is almost half of his career as a DH and he got in no problem. But Molitor also had over 3,000 hits. And 851 more than Thomas.   Just sayin'.

[Test4VitalSigns]

QUOTE (Rush Cocky @ Feb 16 2010, 01:10 PM)

QUOTE (Test4VitalSigns @ Feb 16 2010, 12:52 PM) QUOTE (ouchithurts @ Feb 16 2010, 12:09 PM) I say no. More games 1311 at DH than at 1B, 971. He was primarily a DH. If he had gotten 3K hits like Molitor I would have said yes. Molitor played 44% of his games as a DH. Not as much as Frank but still that is almost half of his career as a DH and he got in no problem. But Molitor also had over 3,000 hits. And 851 more than Thomas.   Just sayin'. They are two different types of hitters. So the comparison between the two is not really valid if you go by hits only.   Out of all the Hall of Famers only Babe Ruth, Mel Ott, Jimmy Foxx, Ted Williams, Hank Aaron and Willie Mays have career 500 homers and .300 average. Frank joins this group. He and current players A-Rod and Manny Ramirez are the only non-HoFers to be in that group.   There are only 26 players who have 3000 hits. Babe Ruth is not even one of them.     There are only 21 players with 500 homers.

[ILSnwdog]

[Tick]

I think he will get in but I feel its a lock that it won't be in his first year.

[Rush Cocky]

QUOTE (ILSnwdog @ Feb 16 2010, 02:19 PM)

Thomas was the most dangerous hitter in baseball during the 90s, and he did it without cheating.

He did it without cheating AS FAR AS WE KNOW. Have to add that caveat, because MLB didn't WANT to know as they didn't test. His large size brings that into question no matter how much the media may want to discredit such an argument.

 

So I agree with tick.....wait, what did I just say? http://www.therushforum.com/html/emoticons/wacko.gif ....it's not a given that he is a first ballot. But knowing the love that ESPN, prompted by the Chicago media has for the guy, it'll probably happen anyway. Just my 2 cents.

 

Oh, and "King of Car Porn"? http://www.therushforum.com/html/emoticons/rofl3.gif http://www.therushforum.com/html/emoticons/icon_really_happy_guy.gif http://www.therushforum.com/html/emoticons/z7shysterical.gif

[ILSnwdog]

QUOTE (Rush Cocky @ Feb 16 2010, 02:48 PM)

QUOTE (ILSnwdog @ Feb 16 2010, 02:19 PM) Thomas was the most dangerous hitter in baseball during the 90s, and he did it without cheating. He did it without cheating AS FAR AS WE KNOW. Have to add that caveat, because MLB didn't WANT to know as they didn't test. His large size brings that into question no matter how much the media may want to discredit such an argument.   So I agree with tick.....wait, what did I just say? http://www.therushforum.com/html/emoticons/wacko.gif ....it's not a given that he is a first ballot. But knowing the love that ESPN, prompted by the Chicago media has for the guy, it'll probably happen anyway. Just my 2 cents.   Oh, and "King of Car Porn"? http://www.therushforum.com/html/emoticons/rofl3.gif http://www.therushforum.com/html/emoticons/icon_really_happy_guy.gif http://www.therushforum.com/html/emoticons/z7shysterical.gif Mr. Cocky...Here is Frank Thomas when he was in college:   http://www.homeruncards.com/imagesrc/thomastp.jpg   When Frank was on ESPN once, he said "I've always been big. Hell, even my sisters are big."   Now fast forward about 16 years, and is Frank that much bigger here? http://girlybaseballchick.mlblogs.com/FrankThomas2.jpg   And Frank was one of the first players to petition for drug testing in baseball!   If I was going to bet money on one player who was clean during the steroid era, it would be the Big Hurt.   ETA: Notice the difference in Bonds or Sosa. Look how skinny they used to be. Thomas was never built like that. http://www.steroidsources.com/Steroid-Information/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/barry%20bonds.jpg http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o104/babesthatlovebaseball/Rookie%20To%20Now/Sammy_Sosa.jpg

[Test4VitalSigns]

QUOTE (ILSnwdog @ Feb 16 2010, 04:46 PM)

QUOTE (Rush Cocky @ Feb 16 2010, 02:48 PM) QUOTE (ILSnwdog @ Feb 16 2010, 02:19 PM) Thomas was the most dangerous hitter in baseball during the 90s, and he did it without cheating. He did it without cheating AS FAR AS WE KNOW. Have to add that caveat, because MLB didn't WANT to know as they didn't test. His large size brings that into question no matter how much the media may want to discredit such an argument.   So I agree with tick.....wait, what did I just say? http://www.therushforum.com/html/emoticons/wacko.gif ....it's not a given that he is a first ballot. But knowing the love that ESPN, prompted by the Chicago media has for the guy, it'll probably happen anyway. Just my 2 cents.   Oh, and "King of Car Porn"? http://www.therushforum.com/html/emoticons/rofl3.gif http://www.therushforum.com/html/emoticons/icon_really_happy_guy.gif http://www.therushforum.com/html/emoticons/z7shysterical.gif Mr. Cocky...Here is Frank Thomas when he was in college:   http://www.homeruncards.com/imagesrc/thomastp.jpg   When Frank was on ESPN once, he said "I've always been big. Hell, even my sisters are big."   Now fast forward about 16 years, and is Frank that much bigger here? http://girlybaseballchick.mlblogs.com/FrankThomas2.jpg   And Frank was one of the first players to petition for drug testing in baseball!   If I was going to bet money on one player who was clean during the steroid era, it would be the Big Hurt.   ETA: Notice the difference in Bonds or Sosa. Look how skinny they used to be. Thomas was never built like that. http://www.steroidsources.com/Steroid-Information/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/barry%20bonds.jpg http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o104/babesthatlovebaseball/Rookie%20To%20Now/Sammy_Sosa.jpg It should be said that Frank was very adamant that players should be tested for drugs way back in '95.   Also he was the ONLY single player that was interviewed for the Mitchell Report.     The guy went to Auburn on a football scholarship as a linebacker.

[Rush Cocky]

QUOTE (Test4VitalSigns @ Feb 16 2010, 05:42 PM)

The guy went to Auburn on a football scholarship as a linebacker.

Which is interesting because at 6-5 255 he's big enough to play defensive end. http://www.therushforum.com/html/emoticons/smile.gif

 

Don't get me wrong, I like the guy, but there have been plenty of guys that I have liked before.....most recently A-Rod......that have been found out to have been juicing at some point in their careers.

 

I wish him the best.