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Here is an arbitrary Top 10 list of plot turn peculiarities that, if nothing else, can generate healthy debate amongst the uber-fans:

 

-Obi-Wan Kenobi's age. The Jedi master goes from young action hero as played by Ewan McGregor to the distinctly elderly Old Ben Kenobi that young Luke meets at the outset of A New Hope. Alec Guinness was 63 at the time and Luke goes from birth to just a teenager between the two films.

 

-Forgetting the robots. Conveniently, R2-D2 and C-3PO have their memories wiped at the end of Revenge of the Sith. But isn't it curious that Darth Vader doesn't seem to notice Threepio, especially since as the child Anakin, he personally built the fussy golden robot? And when we meet Kenobi in the original film, he looks at R2 and declares: "I don't seem to remember ever owning a droid." This, though they had plenty of adventures together.

 

-Luke and Leia discuss their real mother in Return of the Jedi. Luke cannot remember her but Leia says that she died when Leia was very young (Duh! Like at birth!) and that all she remembers are images, feelings.

 

"She was very beautiful, kind, but sad." Hmm, must be The Force within her that allows such memories for a newborn.

 

-It was common knowledge that Obi-Wan would be no match for his former padewan Anakin in a light sabre duel and yet he manages to nearly finish the future Darth Vader off in their climactic face-off in Revenge of the Sith, leaving him sans face and legs and one arm.

 

-In the original trilogy, Darth Vader reveals to Luke that he is Luke's father and invites the lad to join him in ruling the galaxy. Fine, but even at the end of Sith, Anakin makes the same offer to Padme, to join him as his queen when he overthrows the Emperor. But he has just converted to the dark side and it seems awfully premature for Anakin to be having such dreams of power when he supposedly is still so loyal to Palpatine.

 

-Didn't the Jedi give up rather easily? Despite their 1,000-year code of honour, at the end of Sith they scatter to the far reaches of the galaxy in exile - Yoda on the swamp planet Dagobah and Obi-Wan on Tattooine - and take nearly 20 years before they are lured back into action by young Luke Skywalker. Some knights.

 

-The biggest credibility gap between the two trilogies will undoubtedly be the plummet in film technology between episodes III and IV. Obviously there is also a budget gap since Lucas shot the first film on a relative shoestring. Admittedly when the saga opened in 1977 the galaxy was in a depression and everything was rusted and clunky. But check out R2-D2 in the original and how cheesy this hand-painted tin can looks compared to the slick piece of technology he ended up as in the prequels.

 

-In Sith, Natalie Portman's Padme Amidala briefly sports the much-mocked cinnamon-bun hairstyle first worn by Carrie Fisher's Princess Leia in the first Star Wars movie. Like mother, like daughter, perhaps, but everyone knows that, even a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, no woman would ever wear a 20-year-old hairdo.

 

-It's interesting that despite the interstellar sophistication of the Star Wars era, obstetrics is still so primitive. Padme has no idea she is carrying twins until they are born. And Bail Organa agrees to adopt Leia because he and his Queen are unable to conceive themselves.

 

-And last but certainly not least, those troubling midi-chlorians and their messiah. Not mentioned at all in the original trilogy but in The Phantom Menace Qui-Gon Jinn notes that young Anakin Skywalker's bloodstream has the highest count of midi-chlorians he's ever seen. He explains that they are tiny microbes that live in the blood in a symbiotic relationship with human hosts, allowing them to connect to The Force. Also, young Anakin had no father, his mother declaring him to be the result of an immaculate conception of sorts.

 

So Anakin is seen to be "the chosen one," created by the midi-chlorian organisms to bring balance to the power of The Force. So what went wrong with this "divine" intervention

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QUOTE (dweezil @ May 23 2005, 02:35 AM)


WARNING: THIS POST CONTAINS SPOILERS!


































Here is an arbitrary Top 10 list of plot turn peculiarities that, if nothing else, can generate healthy debate amongst the uber-fans:

-Obi-Wan Kenobi's age. The Jedi master goes from young action hero as played by Ewan McGregor to the distinctly elderly Old Ben Kenobi that young Luke meets at the outset of A New Hope. Alec Guinness was 63 at the time and Luke goes from birth to just a teenager between the two films.

 

Good point, I was thinking the exact same thing.

QUOTE (dweezil @ May 23 2005, 02:35 AM)



-Forgetting the robots. Conveniently, R2-D2 and C-3PO have their memories wiped at the end of Revenge of the Sith. But isn't it curious that Darth Vader doesn't seem to notice Threepio, especially since as the child Anakin, he personally built the fussy golden robot? And when we meet Kenobi in the original film, he looks at R2 and declares: "I don't seem to remember ever owning a droid." This, though they had plenty of adventures together.

 

This is not surprising at all. Consider the thousands of R2 andC3 units in existance, and one would be surprised if either one of them remembered these particular droids over twenty years later.

QUOTE (dweezil @ May 23 2005, 02:35 AM)


-Luke and Leia discuss their real mother in Return of the Jedi. Luke cannot remember her but Leia says that she died when Leia was very young (Duh! Like at birth!) and that all she remembers are images, feelings.

"She was very beautiful, kind, but sad." Hmm, must be The Force within her that allows such memories for a newborn.

 

There have been two explanations, both very plausible. First, she was remembering her adopted mother, who died when she was very young. The second, and less plausible explanation, is that it was the force. One of the actors suggested that in a recent interview.

QUOTE (dweezil @ May 23 2005, 02:35 AM)


-It was common knowledge that Obi-Wan would be no match for his former padewan Anakin in a light sabre duel and yet he manages to nearly finish the future Darth Vader off in their climactic face-off in Revenge of the Sith, leaving him sans face and legs and one arm.

 

Common knowledge? While Darth Vader (that's who he was when they battled on the volcanic planet) may have been technically better than Obi-Wan, that doesn't mean that he will beat him every time. That's why they actually fight, to see who wins. In other words, the better football, baseball, army, etc... doesn't always win, there is a thing called an "upset."

QUOTE (dweezil @ May 23 2005, 02:35 AM)


-In the original trilogy, Darth Vader reveals to Luke that he is Luke's father and invites the lad to join him in ruling the galaxy. Fine, but even at the end of Sith, Anakin makes the same offer to Padme, to join him as his queen when he overthrows the Emperor. But he has just converted to the dark side and it seems awfully premature for Anakin to be having such dreams of power when he supposedly is still so loyal to Palpatine.

 

Why premature? The kid has been incredibly inpatient and paranoid since he was a young Padawan. If he didn't have visions of glory, then that would have been inconsistent with his character, not the other way around.

QUOTE (dweezil @ May 23 2005, 02:35 AM)



-Didn't the Jedi give up rather easily? Despite their 1,000-year code of honour, at the end of Sith they scatter to the far reaches of the galaxy in exile - Yoda on the swamp planet Dagobah and Obi-Wan on Tattooine - and take nearly 20 years before they are lured back into action by young Luke Skywalker. Some knights.

 

Going from a force of several hundred down to....... two, would make any group flee for their lives in exile. The only reason they came back was because of a series of events that happened beyond their control. Leia sent the plans to the death star to Obi-Wan, where coincidentally, he met Luke. All Obi was going to do was take the plans to Alderan. Yoda only agreed (reluctantly) to train Luke.. he never took any direct part into the "action." I think this "complaint" is incredibly weak.

QUOTE (dweezil @ May 23 2005, 02:35 AM)


-The biggest credibility gap between the two trilogies will undoubtedly be the plummet in film technology between episodes III and IV. Obviously there is also a budget gap since Lucas shot the first film on a relative shoestring. Admittedly when the saga opened in 1977 the galaxy was in a depression and everything was rusted and clunky. But check out R2-D2 in the original and how cheesy this hand-painted tin can looks compared to the slick piece of technology he ended up as in the prequels.

 

Not much one can do here except purposefully make your movie look bad just to be consistent, which is idiotic, at best. Anyway, they did the best they could, including having Capt. Antilles low tech rebel runner at the end of episode III, which made for a nice transistion to episode IV.

QUOTE (dweezil @ May 23 2005, 02:35 AM)



-In Sith, Natalie Portman's Padme Amidala briefly sports the much-mocked cinnamon-bun hairstyle first worn by Carrie Fisher's Princess Leia in the first Star Wars movie. Like mother, like daughter, perhaps, but everyone knows that, even a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, no woman would ever wear a 20-year-old hairdo.

 

Obviously this 'observation' was written by a heterosexual man. All fashion trends recycle.. twenty years sounds just about typical.

QUOTE (dweezil @ May 23 2005, 02:35 AM)


-It's interesting that despite the interstellar sophistication of the Star Wars era, obstetrics is still so primitive. Padme has no idea she is carrying twins until they are born. And Bail Organa agrees to adopt Leia because he and his Queen are unable to conceive themselves.

 

Good points

QUOTE (dweezil @ May 23 2005, 02:35 AM)


-And last but certainly not least, those troubling midi-chlorians and their messiah. Not mentioned at all in the original trilogy but in The Phantom Menace Qui-Gon Jinn notes that young Anakin Skywalker's bloodstream has the highest count of midi-chlorians he's ever seen. He explains that they are tiny microbes that live in the blood in a symbiotic relationship with human hosts, allowing them to connect to The Force. Also, young Anakin had no father, his mother declaring him to be the result of an immaculate conception of sorts.

 

I thought that in episode III there was an inference that Darth Sidious' mentor raped Anakin's mother? Maybe I read too much into that. In any event, the immaculate conception myth is ridiculous.

QUOTE (dweezil @ May 23 2005, 02:35 AM)


So Anakin is seen to be "the chosen one," created by the midi-chlorian organisms to bring balance to the power of The Force. So what went wrong with this "divine" intervention

 

Nothing, everything was perfect. Great job by Lucas in being consistent that Anakin was the chosen one, who did eventually bring balance back to the force. For those (like the snide author of this particular "complaint") who don't understand how Anakin fulfilled the prophecy, I suggest they rewatch Episode VI, especially near the end.

 

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QUOTE (Mandalorian Hunter @ May 23 2005, 03:42 PM)
I still think Luke was the chosen one. He turned Vader to the good side, who in turn destroyed the Emperor. Maybe the prophecy was alittle inaccurate and it was two that needed to bring the force into balance?

If Vader was the one that destroyed the Emperor (remember luke was in the process of being murdered, without much problem, by the Emporer), then how was the prophecy innacurate?

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QUOTE (pedro2112 @ May 23 2005, 03:30 PM)
QUOTE (Mandalorian Hunter @ May 23 2005, 03:42 PM)
I still think Luke was the chosen one. He turned Vader to the good side, who in turn destroyed the Emperor. Maybe the prophecy was alittle inaccurate and it was two that needed to bring the force into balance?

If Vader was the one that destroyed the Emperor (remember luke was in the process of being murdered, without much problem, by the Emporer), then how was the prophecy innacurate?

If it wasn't for Luke then Vader would still have obeyed the Emperor. confused13.gif

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QUOTE (NeilPeartFan2112 @ May 23 2005, 04:44 PM)
QUOTE (pedro2112 @ May 23 2005, 03:30 PM)
QUOTE (Mandalorian Hunter @ May 23 2005, 03:42 PM)
I still think Luke was the chosen one. He turned Vader to the good side, who in turn destroyed the Emperor. Maybe the prophecy was alittle inaccurate and it was two that needed to bring the force into balance?

If Vader was the one that destroyed the Emperor (remember luke was in the process of being murdered, without much problem, by the Emporer), then how was the prophecy innacurate?

If it wasn't for Luke then Vader would still have obeyed the Emperor. confused13.gif

And if it wasn't for Anakin's mother, Vader never would have been born. Big deal. The prophecy was that anakin would bring order back to the force, which he did. Luke didn't (couldn't have) nor could anyone else but anakin. Therefore the prophecy was true and accurate.

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QUOTE (pedro2112 @ May 23 2005, 04:08 PM)
QUOTE (NeilPeartFan2112 @ May 23 2005, 04:44 PM)
QUOTE (pedro2112 @ May 23 2005, 03:30 PM)
QUOTE (Mandalorian Hunter @ May 23 2005, 03:42 PM)
I still think Luke was the chosen one. He turned Vader to the good side, who in turn destroyed the Emperor. Maybe the prophecy was alittle inaccurate and it was two that needed to bring the force into balance?

If Vader was the one that destroyed the Emperor (remember luke was in the process of being murdered, without much problem, by the Emporer), then how was the prophecy innacurate?

If it wasn't for Luke then Vader would still have obeyed the Emperor. confused13.gif

And if it wasn't for Anakin's mother, Vader never would have been born. Big deal. The prophecy was that anakin would bring order back to the force, which he did. Luke didn't (couldn't have) nor could anyone else but anakin. Therefore the prophecy was true and accurate.

Ok... wacko.gif

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QUOTE (dweezil @ May 23 2005, 10:52 PM)
Pedro,
I'm so glad you commented on my post.

Cause I jacked it and have no clue about Star Wars!! rofl3.gif rofl3.gif rofl3.gif rofl3.gif

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I love it when you stir things up! laugh.gif

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QUOTE (dweezil @ May 22 2005, 10:35 PM)

Here is an arbitrary Top 10 list of plot turn peculiarities that, if nothing else, can generate healthy debate amongst the uber-fans:

Screw it all!

 

It's a movie, for God's sake, not reality! laugh.gif

 

To quote Tim Allen in Galaxy Quest:

 

There is no "quantum flux". There's no "auxiliary". THERE'S NO GODDAMNED SHIP. You got it?

 

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QUOTE (pedro2112 @ May 23 2005, 05:08 PM)
QUOTE (NeilPeartFan2112 @ May 23 2005, 04:44 PM)
QUOTE (pedro2112 @ May 23 2005, 03:30 PM)
QUOTE (Mandalorian Hunter @ May 23 2005, 03:42 PM)
I still think Luke was the chosen one. He turned Vader to the good side, who in turn destroyed the Emperor. Maybe the prophecy was alittle inaccurate and it was two that needed to bring the force into balance?

If Vader was the one that destroyed the Emperor (remember luke was in the process of being murdered, without much problem, by the Emporer), then how was the prophecy innacurate?

If it wasn't for Luke then Vader would still have obeyed the Emperor. confused13.gif

And if it wasn't for Anakin's mother, Vader never would have been born. Big deal. The prophecy was that anakin would bring order back to the force, which he did. Luke didn't (couldn't have) nor could anyone else but anakin. Therefore the prophecy was true and accurate.

No body knows when a prophecy will come true.. Seems to me they were a generation ahead of the prophecy http://www.websmileys.com/sm/obscene/eck13.gif

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QUOTE (slacker @ May 24 2005, 11:01 AM)
QUOTE (pedro2112 @ May 23 2005, 05:08 PM)
QUOTE (NeilPeartFan2112 @ May 23 2005, 04:44 PM)
QUOTE (pedro2112 @ May 23 2005, 03:30 PM)
QUOTE (Mandalorian Hunter @ May 23 2005, 03:42 PM)
I still think Luke was the chosen one. He turned Vader to the good side, who in turn destroyed the Emperor. Maybe the prophecy was alittle inaccurate and it was two that needed to bring the force into balance?

If Vader was the one that destroyed the Emperor (remember luke was in the process of being murdered, without much problem, by the Emporer), then how was the prophecy innacurate?

If it wasn't for Luke then Vader would still have obeyed the Emperor. confused13.gif

And if it wasn't for Anakin's mother, Vader never would have been born. Big deal. The prophecy was that anakin would bring order back to the force, which he did. Luke didn't (couldn't have) nor could anyone else but anakin. Therefore the prophecy was true and accurate.

No body knows when a prophecy will come true.. Seems to me they were a generation ahead of the prophecy http://www.websmileys.com/sm/obscene/eck13.gif

 

Obviously the prophecy became true when Darth Vader killed the emperor and then died himself. confused13.gif

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QUOTE (Huck @ May 24 2005, 06:16 AM)
Obviously the prophecy became true when Darth Vader killed the emperor and then died himself. confused13.gif

Exactly

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Yeah, that is pretty messed up.. For the record, it's not my creation.

 

Geddy Skywalker, Princess Neil, Alex Solo....

 

 

 

 

Get it, Alex Solo??? lol His middle name is "guitar"...

 

AlexFinal.gif

 

 

 

 

 

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QUOTE (Earthshine @ May 24 2005, 05:56 PM)
Yeah, that is pretty messed up.. For the record, it's not my creation.

Geddy Skywalker, Princess Neil, Alex Solo....




Get it, Alex Solo??? lol His middle name is "guitar"...

AlexFinal.gif

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