Mandalorian Hunter Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 QUOTE (ReRushed @ Jan 20 2008, 02:13 AM) QUOTE (-D-RocK- @ Jan 19 2008, 03:06 PM) Absolutely they were a groundbreaking band. Rush came out of Canada in the early 1970's when barely any other Canadian acts had established much of a following stateside or abroad. Rush's early success changed all of that. How many other bands can you name other than The Guess Who that came out of Canada in that time period? Answer: NONE. This is a good point. It's a good point if you're looking solely at the history of Canadian music. Unfortunately, there a quite a few more nations to take into account Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReRushed Posted January 20, 2008 Author Share Posted January 20, 2008 QUOTE (Mandalorian Hunter @ Jan 19 2008, 09:23 PM) QUOTE (streak85 @ Jan 19 2008, 11:47 PM) QUOTE (Mandalorian Hunter @ Jan 19 2008, 10:03 AM)Why are people referring to Alex's playing in the mid 80's? That is no way groundbreaking. Andy Summers and The Edge were doing stuff like that a LONG time before Alex was. Streak85, go check out John Entwhistle. Geddy was not a groundbreaking bassist. The solos to Red Sector A and Afterimage or even go farther back to the f**(kn Discovery. If you consider his effects and sounds - By Tor and The Snow Dog and as was previously mentioned, his award-winning sound on Power Windows. This is just to name a few. Lifeson either took Guitarist of the Year or ranked 2nd for Grace Under Pressure and Power Windows. definitely familiar with Entwhistle - Tommy, Quadrophenia, Happy Jack, My Generation, Eminence Front, Who's Next, etc. Geddy - the dynamic polyphony of Force Ten and Turn The Page, the Pass, and going farther back - Red Barchetta - groundbreaking in writing / technique / performance But that's the point i'm trying to put across. Alex wasn't groundbreaking in the 80's, as Andy Summers, and alot of new-wave acts were using minimalist solos, and textures in their songs. Like I've already said, there is no way he came up with those ideas first, but, he certainly perfected them. But that still doesn't make him groundbreaking. With Geddy, in terms of Red Barchetta and it's lead-like lines, it's nothing Entwhistle and Squire weren't doing since the late 60's. It's like he still thinks the earth is flat and no amount of evidence to the contrary will change his mind! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReRushed Posted January 20, 2008 Author Share Posted January 20, 2008 QUOTE (Mandalorian Hunter @ Jan 19 2008, 09:26 PM) QUOTE (ReRushed @ Jan 20 2008, 02:13 AM) QUOTE (-D-RocK- @ Jan 19 2008, 03:06 PM) Absolutely they were a groundbreaking band. Rush came out of Canada in the early 1970's when barely any other Canadian acts had established much of a following stateside or abroad. Rush's early success changed all of that. How many other bands can you name other than The Guess Who that came out of Canada in that time period? Answer: NONE. This is a good point. It's a good point if you're looking solely at the history of Canadian music. Unfortunately, there a quite a few more nations to take into account This is also a good point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandalorian Hunter Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 QUOTE (ReRushed @ Jan 20 2008, 02:26 AM) QUOTE (Mandalorian Hunter @ Jan 19 2008, 09:23 PM) QUOTE (streak85 @ Jan 19 2008, 11:47 PM) QUOTE (Mandalorian Hunter @ Jan 19 2008, 10:03 AM)Why are people referring to Alex's playing in the mid 80's? That is no way groundbreaking. Andy Summers and The Edge were doing stuff like that a LONG time before Alex was. Streak85, go check out John Entwhistle. Geddy was not a groundbreaking bassist. The solos to Red Sector A and Afterimage or even go farther back to the f**(kn Discovery. If you consider his effects and sounds - By Tor and The Snow Dog and as was previously mentioned, his award-winning sound on Power Windows. This is just to name a few. Lifeson either took Guitarist of the Year or ranked 2nd for Grace Under Pressure and Power Windows. definitely familiar with Entwhistle - Tommy, Quadrophenia, Happy Jack, My Generation, Eminence Front, Who's Next, etc. Geddy - the dynamic polyphony of Force Ten and Turn The Page, the Pass, and going farther back - Red Barchetta - groundbreaking in writing / technique / performance But that's the point i'm trying to put across. Alex wasn't groundbreaking in the 80's, as Andy Summers, and alot of new-wave acts were using minimalist solos, and textures in their songs. Like I've already said, there is no way he came up with those ideas first, but, he certainly perfected them. But that still doesn't make him groundbreaking. With Geddy, in terms of Red Barchetta and it's lead-like lines, it's nothing Entwhistle and Squire weren't doing since the late 60's. It's like he still thinks the earth is flat and no amount of evidence to the contrary will change his mind! Who, me? The earth is flat, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReRushed Posted January 20, 2008 Author Share Posted January 20, 2008 QUOTE (Mandalorian Hunter @ Jan 19 2008, 09:28 PM) QUOTE (ReRushed @ Jan 20 2008, 02:26 AM) QUOTE (Mandalorian Hunter @ Jan 19 2008, 09:23 PM) QUOTE (streak85 @ Jan 19 2008, 11:47 PM) QUOTE (Mandalorian Hunter @ Jan 19 2008, 10:03 AM)Why are people referring to Alex's playing in the mid 80's? That is no way groundbreaking. Andy Summers and The Edge were doing stuff like that a LONG time before Alex was. Streak85, go check out John Entwhistle. Geddy was not a groundbreaking bassist. The solos to Red Sector A and Afterimage or even go farther back to the f**(kn Discovery. If you consider his effects and sounds - By Tor and The Snow Dog and as was previously mentioned, his award-winning sound on Power Windows. This is just to name a few. Lifeson either took Guitarist of the Year or ranked 2nd for Grace Under Pressure and Power Windows. definitely familiar with Entwhistle - Tommy, Quadrophenia, Happy Jack, My Generation, Eminence Front, Who's Next, etc. Geddy - the dynamic polyphony of Force Ten and Turn The Page, the Pass, and going farther back - Red Barchetta - groundbreaking in writing / technique / performance But that's the point i'm trying to put across. Alex wasn't groundbreaking in the 80's, as Andy Summers, and alot of new-wave acts were using minimalist solos, and textures in their songs. Like I've already said, there is no way he came up with those ideas first, but, he certainly perfected them. But that still doesn't make him groundbreaking. With Geddy, in terms of Red Barchetta and it's lead-like lines, it's nothing Entwhistle and Squire weren't doing since the late 60's. It's like he still thinks the earth is flat and no amount of evidence to the contrary will change his mind! Who, me? The earth is flat, isn't it? Yes, you! Let me clarify, I mean streak85! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaporTrails04 Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 Groundbreaking not so much...but very influential. its my belief that if rush was never a band you wouldnt have bands such as tool, nin, or mars volta around today..and if they were they wouldnt be as good or as excepted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streak85 Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 But that's the point i'm trying to put across. Alex wasn't groundbreaking in the 80's, as Andy Summers, and alot of new-wave acts were using minimalist solos, and textures in their songs. Like I've already said, there is no way he came up with those ideas first, but, he certainly perfected them. But that still doesn't make him groundbreaking. With Geddy, in terms of Red Barchetta and it's lead-like lines, it's nothing Entwhistle and Squire weren't doing since the late 60's. my initial comments on Geddy being groundbreaking dealt with his ability to do what he does without a pick So, Squire is out of the picture (he uses a pick). Entwhistle and Geddy, there's no comparison. Here, not a promoter of YouTube and aren't a proponent of video cameras, if I were I could and would certainly demonstrate the dynamic polyphony and groundbreaking origins of Red Barchetta, Force Ten, Turn The Page, The Pass But you're so dense, it would still be a loss of time on this end Give it a few more years, maybe then and just maybe you'll know the difference Here, Andy Summers is young, young, young to Alex Lifeson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streak85 Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 QUOTE (ReRushed @ Jan 19 2008, 09:30 PM)Let me clarify, I mean streak85! If you knew my academic background, most likely you could be convinced to literally "eat shit and die" based on the topography of the earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCFIELDS Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 QUOTE (streak85 @ Jan 20 2008, 02:53 PM) Entwhistle and Geddy, there's no comparison. Please explain your thinking here............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobodys hero Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 Brillliant and innovative for sure. They have learned to create so much music for a three-some. Each individual member has their own special way of playing their instrument making them different from all others. I do believe they were groundbreaking in not only being a Canadian rock band when no others were, but growing and changing their music styles to fit the times. It has been said by many bands that they were greatly influenced/inspired by Rush. I do not think that is something you hear being said by a band that was not ground-breaking to some degree. Maybe not like the Beatles or even Zep or Sabbath. But definitely enough to make their mark on the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReRushed Posted January 20, 2008 Author Share Posted January 20, 2008 QUOTE (streak85 @ Jan 20 2008, 02:56 PM) QUOTE (ReRushed @ Jan 19 2008, 09:30 PM)Let me clarify, I mean streak85! If you knew my academic background, most likely you could be convinced to literally "eat shit and die" based on the topography of the earth. Seriously, did I hurt your feelings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandalorian Hunter Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 QUOTE (streak85 @ Jan 20 2008, 07:53 PM) But you're so dense, it would still be a loss of time on this end Give it a few more years, maybe then and just maybe you'll know the difference Oh joy someone brings the age thing in. I shan't bother with you again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandalorian Hunter Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 QUOTE (ReRushed @ Jan 20 2008, 08:01 PM) QUOTE (streak85 @ Jan 20 2008, 02:56 PM) QUOTE (ReRushed @ Jan 19 2008, 09:30 PM)Let me clarify, I mean streak85! If you knew my academic background, most likely you could be convinced to literally "eat shit and die" based on the topography of the earth. Seriously, did I hurt your feelings? My guess is he's one of the RIAB lot. Nasty pieces of work them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandalorian Hunter Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 QUOTE (streak85 @ Jan 20 2008, 07:53 PM) But that's the point i'm trying to put across. Alex wasn't groundbreaking in the 80's, as Andy Summers, and alot of new-wave acts were using minimalist solos, and textures in their songs. Like I've already said, there is no way he came up with those ideas first, but, he certainly perfected them. But that still doesn't make him groundbreaking. With Geddy, in terms of Red Barchetta and it's lead-like lines, it's nothing Entwhistle and Squire weren't doing since the late 60's.[/quote] my initial comments on Geddy being groundbreaking dealt with his ability to do what he does without a pick So, Squire is out of the picture (he uses a pick). Entwhistle and Geddy, there's no comparison. Here, not a promoter of YouTube and aren't a proponent of video cameras, if I were I could and would certainly demonstrate the dynamic polyphony and groundbreaking origins of Red Barchetta, Force Ten, Turn The Page, The Pass But you're so dense, it would still be a loss of time on this end Give it a few more years, maybe then and just maybe you'll know the difference Here, Andy Summers is young, young, young to Alex Lifeson. Oh, and yes, I am dense. Thick as a plank - that's me. Although, atleast I seem to have a graspe on what the word 'Groundbreaking' means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReRushed Posted January 20, 2008 Author Share Posted January 20, 2008 Why are so many people so sensitive and stubborn when discussing a rock band? A lot of people disagree about things on this message board and joke about it, with respect. But every once in a while... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuppetKing2112 Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 Streak85 is the new Floydfanatic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCFIELDS Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 QUOTE (Mandalorian Hunter @ Jan 20 2008, 03:03 PM) My guess is he's one of the RIAB lot. Nasty pieces of work them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandalorian Hunter Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 QUOTE (PuppetKing2112 @ Jan 20 2008, 08:11 PM) Streak85 is the new Floydfanatic! Here we go again. I wonder what he thinks of JT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandalorian Hunter Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 QUOTE (ReRushed @ Jan 20 2008, 08:11 PM) Why are so many people so sensitive and stubborn when discussing a rock band? A lot of people disagree about things on this message board and joke about it, with respect. But every once in a while... Meh, you get used to it when you're younger. I just find it laughable that an ADULT has to resort to that. Pathetic really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streak85 Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 QUOTE (PuppetKing2112 @ Jan 20 2008, 03:11 PM) Streak85 is the new Floydfanatic! On this end, really, really, really, not into Pink Floyd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streak85 Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 QUOTE (Mandalorian Hunter @ Jan 20 2008, 03:03 PM) [ My guess is he's one of the RIAB lot. Nasty pieces of work them. Not to let you down, but no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streak85 Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 QUOTE (Mandalorian Hunter @ Jan 20 2008, 03:15 PM)Pathetic really. On this end, this is what is thought of you. If a stupendous day occurs this year, you'll break a law in your country and land in prison or detention isn't there a minimum age requirement to join this forum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandalorian Hunter Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 QUOTE (streak85 @ Jan 20 2008, 08:43 PM) QUOTE (Mandalorian Hunter @ Jan 20 2008, 03:15 PM)Pathetic really. On this end, this is what is thought of you. If a stupendous day occurs this year, you'll break a law in your country and land in prison or detention isn't there a minimum age requirement to join this forum? Duly noted, or 'reported', shall we say Well, considering there are 13/14 year olds here, i'd say no, there isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streak85 Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 QUOTE (Storm Shadow @ Jan 19 2008, 03:56 AM) QUOTE (streak85 @ Jan 19 2008, 03:42 AM) QUOTE (WCFIELDS @ Jan 19 2008, 01:08 AM)The Beatles were totally groundbreaking........whether you like them or not, it's obvious........... Hold the ground with the Beatles and their "ingenuity" in certain parts of their songs - rooted here the rest of my living years and thankful for realizing it early on So, did the Beatles start like "a quantum leap forward in time and in space; the universe learned to expand" - seems like that would not be feasible Beatles and influential - OK and no wonder why the sweaty desire for dope and its invasion back in the 60s Beatles fanatics: what was the final tally of John's (the day tripper) "tripping" excursions before his life was suddenly extinguished? "Got to get you into my life" - marijuana (aka dope), what a hell of an influence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormtron Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 QUOTE (PuppetKing2112 @ Jan 20 2008, 03:11 PM) Streak85 is the new Floydfanatic! At least I could understand FF. I have to read this guys posts about five times to figure out what he's trying to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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