Star Trek

[RUSHHEAD666]

I love him! Good for Will! Has more balls than anyone on here.

[Fordgalaxy]

I love him! Good for Will! Has more balls than anyone on here.

 

I bet he has two, like most of us. :16ton:

Edited October 13, 2021 by Fordgalaxy

[RUSHHEAD666]

I love him! Good for Will! Has more balls than anyone on here.

 

I bet he two, like most of us. :16ton:

 

 

Hahaha! Correct.

[Rush Cocky]

Watching live coverage of Kirk’s real orbital flight.

 

Boldly paying where only a few have paid before. :)

 

I'm watching too. This is cool.

I’m sure Shatner got paid negotiating an appearance fee.

Yeah, but it was in dilithium crystals, which turned out later to be fake (yep, zirconium).

[JohnRogers]

[JohnRogers]

I haven't started watching the new season of DISCO. I'm sure I'll get to it but I'm just feeling ambivalent?

[grep]

I haven't started watching the new season of DISCO. I'm sure I'll get to it but I'm just feeling ambivalent?

 

I don't have a lot of positives to say about it this season. Discovery is feeling less and less like Trek each episode. All the girl power touch feely emo stuff isn't working for me. I just can't relate, and it's turning me off. EDIT: Also, Michael f***ing Burnham being the center of every episode, the most qualified to do every job.... out of a crew of 400....

 

Source: Lifelong fan, TOS first run is the first thing I remember seeing on TV.

 

At this point I'm just watching to find out if the thing threatening the galaxy this season is indeed V'ger.

 

YMMV.

Edited December 4, 2021 by grep

[JohnRogers]

I haven't started watching the new season of DISCO. I'm sure I'll get to it but I'm just feeling ambivalent?

 

I don't have a lot of positives to say about it this season. Discovery is feeling less and less like Trek each episode. All the girl power touch feely emo stuff isn't working for me. I just can't relate, and it's turning me off.

 

Source: Lifelong fan, TOS first run is the first thing I remember seeing on TV.

 

At this point I'm just watching to find out if the thing threatening the galaxy this season is indeed V'ger.

 

YMMV.

Oy, that will motivate me to fire up the Paramount+.

[JohnRogers]

[grep]

 

SO......SAY.....WE...................ALL

[Mosher]

I still love Discovery. I had gripes in the first season but the third was solid.

This season was great until the most recent episode.

 

I didn't like the last one much at all. I HATE the Elven Jedi in Picard, so bringing them into this bothers me as well.

 

But on the whole I love the show. Burnham being good at everything firstly isn't true, she sucks at picking her battles and gambles too much.

 

That said, the star being good at everything (in the way she is) was done with Kirk as well. It's not new.

 

The socio-political bent isn't new either. Even being overtly so isn't new.

 

I would prefer the old story of the week style, combined with the modern lack of a reset button.

 

But as it is I love it.

 

I've loved every Trek incarnation except Picard and Enterprise.

 

I merely liked Enterprise and I tolerate Picard.

 

Like many I'm really looking forward to Strange New Worlds, I'm hoping they tell Trek stories the way I prefer them.

 

My all time favorite remains DS9

Edited December 8, 2021 by Mosher

[KenJennings]

What sociopolitical message is present in Discovery?

 

Picard had a great political message about refugeeism and borders. It tackled the dangers of isolationism and advocated a globalist (galaxyist) intergovernmental policy. It spoke to modern considerations of fear and otherness, and reminded audiences of the hopeful benevolence that Star Trek models; presenting a universe that has faltered in that model; as a succinct mirror to the state of the world today.

 

Discovery doesn't advocate for ideas very much at all. It simply leans on hollow representation and preaches to the choir without ever serving a real world analogue or the pros and cons of an idea. It's morality isn't a justification or a parable; it's just a coat of paint. There is simply nothing challenging in an episode of Discovery.

[Mosher]

I'm specifically addressing the widespread criticism Discovery gets for being too preachy- the sociopolitical bent I am talking about. My point was specific to it being on the nose- just like historic Trek. "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" is a famous example.

 

My point is that Discovery isn't stepping outside of historic Trek which is a very common criticism.

 

Now Discovery does have more subtle commentaries, most notably to my memory the tardigrade arc.

 

My issue with Picard isn't the message.

My issue with Picard is the focus on battles over thought. I don't hate Picard, I was probably too hard on it. I just really hate the Jedi Elves and the focus on fighting.

 

I do love Discovery, but I'm not arguing that they're telling new mortality studies. The window dressing they have is more than that. Representation matters, and that was recognized in early Trek, putting a Russian on the bridge, a woman, and non-white people was a decision based on the importance of representation.

 

I won't fault Discovery for correctly doing the same thing.

 

I agree that Discovery's stories do not hit analogs the way DS9 did so well, but that's not my contention. My contention is that the SJW approach of Discovery isn't new, nor is it less subtle. Star Trek was always in your face with representation.

 

What I love most about Star Trek is that it was set in a world that was about tolerance of other cultures, people were motivated by their interests and contributed to society based on their interests, people were encouraged and supported in pursuing their interests, and it was a socialist state.

 

So I want my Trek to reflect that.

 

Obviously many people reject some of those aspects in favor of others.

 

 

[grep]

 

I agree that Discovery's stories do not hit analogs the way DS9 did so well, but that's not my contention. My contention is that the SJW approach of Discovery isn't new, nor is it less subtle. Star Trek was always in your face with representation.

 

What I love most about Star Trek is that it was set in a world that was about tolerance of other cultures, people were motivated by their interests and contributed to society based on their interests, people were encouraged and supported in pursuing their interests, and it was a socialist state.

 

So I want my Trek to reflect that.

 

 

I have no issue at all with the representation. Per se.

 

I don't know how to be more clear about it, the over the top girl power stuff... I just cannot identify with it. Sure, put Michael in the chair. I couldn't care less. Janeway, Burnham, some blue guy. Who cares?

 

I guess that perhaps I just like more of the TOS and DS9 era action and plots. The dark stuff.

 

Writing and style. Not the inclusion itself.

 

Take for example the JJverse. I have the same complaints - with Spock, Kirk, and Sulu in the chair. Shitty writing and emo personas.

 

 

Unlike say, the Mandaloian where there are strong female roles to go with the action.

[JohnRogers]

[JohnRogers]

I agree that Discovery's stories do not hit analogs the way DS9 did so well, but that's not my contention. My contention is that the SJW approach of Discovery isn't new, nor is it less subtle. Star Trek was always in your face with representation.

 

What I love most about Star Trek is that it was set in a world that was about tolerance of other cultures, people were motivated by their interests and contributed to society based on their interests, people were encouraged and supported in pursuing their interests, and it was a socialist state.

 

So I want my Trek to reflect that.

 

 

I have no issue at all with the representation. Per se.

 

I don't know how to be more clear about it, the over the top girl power stuff... I just cannot identify with it. Sure, put Michael in the chair. I couldn't care less. Janeway, Burnham, some blue guy. Who cares?

 

I guess that perhaps I just like more of the TOS and DS9 era action and plots. The dark stuff.

 

Writing and style. Not the inclusion itself.

 

Take for example the JJverse. I have the same complaints - with Spock, Kirk, and Sulu in the chair. Shitty writing and emo personas.

 

 

Unlike say, the Mandaloian where there are strong female roles to go with the action.

I watched the first episode of season four last night. I remember a few things irritated me. The one I still remember from last night was the steampunk flame effect on the bridge of Discovery...come on, man.

[Mosher]

I guess I don't see the girl power stuff at all.

 

Burnham conquers all, Kirk conquers all. Same stuff in my book. I feel the show is getting better at showing the strengths of others (still not enough, I have been wanting so much more from the other bridge officers. They've at least given Detmer more.)

 

I also prefer DS9 style stories most of all, but Discovery has me as a fan.

 

Again, my expectation is that Strange New Worlds will be better than any Trek this century.

 

As to the movies, too much Star Wars for me.

[grep]

I guess I don't see the girl power stuff at all.

 

Burnham conquers all, Kirk conquers all. Same stuff in my book. I feel the show is getting better at showing the strengths of others (still not enough, I have been wanting so much more from the other bridge officers. They've at least given Detmer more.)

 

I also prefer DS9 style stories most of all, but Discovery has me as a fan.

 

Again, my expectation is that Strange New Worlds will be better than any Trek this century.

 

As to the movies, too much Star Wars for me.

 

To each their own. I'm glad you're getting something out of the show.

[grep]

 

Cut to Wes and Riker stuffing dollar bills into some dancers' thongs

[grep]

nevermind. Can't get the image I want to show up. Edited December 9, 2021 by grep

[grep]

You know..... the new episode flows more like classic Trek. TOS, ENT, VOY... whatever.

 

Well done. All the right elements. IMO.

[JohnRogers]

DISCO S4 E2 Anomaly. It should be called Emotional Speeches. I was bored to tears and question if I should press on.

 

I’ll fire up an episode of Hawkeye, it may be mindless fun but at least it’s fun.

[Fordgalaxy]

Star Trek related.

[JohnRogers]

Star Trek related.

:lol:

[JohnRogers]

<p> Edited December 28, 2021 by JohnRogers