Czarcasm

More like a glory hole if you ask me.

QUOTE (rushgoober @ May 12 2012, 07:14 PM) FANBOYISM IS KILLING RUSH MUSIC! http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/8374/fanboi.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/77/Fanboy1DC.jpg/250px-Fanboy1DC.jpg http://borgdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/fanboys-poster.jpg http://www.feistees.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/prtdg.jpg http://o.aolcdn.com/photo-hub/news_gallery/6/8/686438/1284904600942.JPEG http://www.yakkityyaks.com/wp-content/gallery/misc/brady_bunch.jpg http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mg2I7qWw_R8/T1BQdTIg2RI/AAAAAAAAAes/1N9_0nnGIwo/s1600/ren-n-stimpy.gif http://www.wastedspace.com/happy/cover.jpg Totally agree.

This topic made my day. I relate far more with this than I do the other one about negativity

Limbo was great already, and the production on the album was shite. Can you imagine how great it would sound live with proper arrangement? I'd love to hear Limbo live. WMT...not so much.

QUOTE (Powlich @ May 5 2012, 11:18 AM) I really like this topic, so I just had to register. Hi everybody! Now, here is the deal: - If we're talking about studio versions, I would say "Freeze" is my favourite song in the "fear" series. The studio recordings of the last 2 songs on MP plus most of Signals and GuP are to thin sounding. If they had the same power as in the GuP live video, that period could probably be my favourite. Much more guitar, but no less keyboard. - Most overrated album: Counterparts. Can't see what's so special about it. People talk all the time about "the best thing since CP". I would say VT, S&A and probably also CA is their best stuff since Power Windows. (at least) - Most overrated song could be "Jacobs ladder". They could easily cut 1-2 mins of that song. They could do that with many old "epics", and it would help the old albums to rock all the way through. - Most underrated song could be "Spindrift". I really like the powerfull singing in some parts of the song. (not Geddy's ooooooo's) The outro is rocking soooo hard! - The guitar solo in BU2B is the best one of the 3 new songs, and I almost don't want to call it a solo. - Can't see why people are going crazy about Alex's shredding solos in songs like Headlong flight or Working man on the latest tour. If any other guitarrist would have played exactly the same, most of you would call it emotionless crap. I myself prefer his more melodic 80's solos. - I don't see any of the band members as master musicians. I just like the way they write music, and tries to explore new horizons. Dream Theater plays with their brains, Rush with their hearts. For me Rush > DT because of that. - My favourite Rush music video is....... Far cry! - C'mon girls, are the Rush guys really THAT good looking!? - I like it when they don't try to hurry the realease of the new album. We all want quality, don't we? Just my thoughts! I'm flattered that my topic made you sign up! Welcome to TRF and enjoy your stay!

QUOTE (losingit2k @ May 1 2012, 12:44 PM) QUOTE (Czarcasm @ May 1 2012, 11:31 AM) It's a long song that easily could easily fit the 4 1/2 minute format. Actually the single version is way better with the fat trimmed off. It's like if they made The Colour of Right 7 minutes long. That wouldn't be an epic, and anyone who said that it was would be lynched here. In fact I don't consider The Camera Eye and Epic as it's just the same 4 minute song played twice with different lyrics and a pretty opening. Rush's last rue epic was Natural Science. It was bold, had changing time signatures, felt mysterious and grand and the lyrics supported the epicness of the music. HF has the same simple lyrics played over power chords for 7 minutes with the only break being a demented solo and the distorted vocals out of nowhere. Caravan is immensely more epic than this in both sound and atmosphere. Deal with it. Oh I'm dealing with the fact that you just compared "Headlong Flight" to "The Colour of Right". Which isn't even in the same ballpark. When I listen to " The Colour of Right" all I hear is what is wrong. Can you please compare "Headlong Flight" to something more appropriate like, "Freewill", "Limelight", "By-Tor & the Snowdog"! You're so full of what is right, you can't see what is good! >Comparing HF to classic Rush "I LEARNED TO FIGHT I LEARNED TO LOVE I LEARNED TO FeeEEeeEEEeeL "I WISH I COULD LIVE IT ALL AGAAAAAAAAIIIN" For 7 minutes. By Tor was pure unconcentrated prog goodness. HF is an average Rock song painfully extended to 7 minutes. No considerable changes in time signatures, a shit tier solo, the atmosphere of the song dies in the first minute. I don't even like 70's rush and I know that HF doesn't hold a candle to any of the good songs you just mentioned. I'm not even a troll, I just think your fanboy is showing at the moment. Which is fine, seeing as how it's Forum made for fanboys. Just try to think about what you're saying, k?

QUOTE (GeddyLeeRoth @ Apr 25 2012, 08:23 AM) QUOTE (rushgoober @ Apr 25 2012, 03:24 AM) QUOTE (jnoble @ Apr 23 2012, 08:02 PM) QUOTE (That One Guy @ Apr 23 2012, 12:34 PM) Rush Update: I can't stop listening to HYF and Presto. Caress of Steel will come soon You can stop listening to HYF after Turn The Page ends. Trust me, you won't be missing anything. That's when the album ends for me! It was nice of them to stick the two clunkers at the end - that way you don't have to skip any tracks per se, you just turn it off after track 8! No, anyone in their right mind would skip Second Nature also. It sucks ass. YES +1 That song is top 20 worst rush song material.

QUOTE (rushgoober @ May 1 2012, 11:56 AM) QUOTE (GeddyRulz @ May 1 2012, 09:49 AM) QUOTE (rummut71 @ May 1 2012, 11:43 AM) Out of the 150+ song canon, I have no trouble skipping over at least a third of them. I'm with ya. Of every Rush song ever recorded, I put only 80 on my iPod. That equates to nearly half, I guess (the last time I checked, circa VT, Rush had roughly 160 songs), but still. Even some of the Rush songs I have on my iPod, I skip when they come up. I started a thread awhile back called "How many Rush songs do you always SKIP?" http://www.therushforum.com/index.php?showtopic=58681&hl= I listed 48 songs I would always skip, but of those only 4 were from their first 12 albums, and 44 from their last 9 (including Feedback & Clockwork Angels so far). Still, that leaves an incredible amount of songs that I like or love (mostly love), so it's all good! I'm gonna try that now, seeing as how I'm genuinely curious. Maybe I'll add to the thread you made.

QUOTE (Unattractive Truth @ May 1 2012, 11:47 AM) I would rather listen to Hold Your Fire, Presto, and Counterparts than Fly By Night, Caress of Steel, and A Farewell to Kings. +1

QUOTE (danielmclark @ May 1 2012, 11:30 AM) I'm about to get back to work so I can't write my own list yet... but if this is supposed to be a thread of unpopular opinions, I don't think trashing VT, I Think I'm Going Bald, Presto and the rap in RTB is really in the spirit of the thread I'll come up with a list later on, but it'll have things on it like: Tom Sawyer is overrated, Moving Pictures isn't their best album, 2112 is lyrically weak... opinions I genuinely have that probably 90% of people here disagree with. I agree with what you said already man. Can't wait to read a full list.

This poll made my day!

Yes, I'm quite a bit less optimistic. HF isn't a bad song, but the grandiose feeling of the first two tracks are missing and the lyrics are incredibly repetitive. Far more than in Caravan, because the music in HF isn't strong enough to support the bad lyrics. In fact, If I buy CA on MP3 I'm going to go into the options and swap out the full length version of HF for the single version. I like the "fat free" version far more as a song. That's my two cents. And it's not a bad first poll, but next time make the options clearer. I.E. make them something along the lines of 1.More optimistic 2. No change 3. Less Optimistic Or something along those lines.

It's a long song that easily could easily fit the 4 1/2 minute format. Actually the single version is way better with the fat trimmed off. It's like if they made The Colour of Right 7 minutes long. That wouldn't be an epic, and anyone who said that it was would be lynched here. In fact I don't consider The Camera Eye and Epic as it's just the same 4 minute song played twice with different lyrics and a pretty opening. Rush's last rue epic was Natural Science. It was bold, had changing time signatures, felt mysterious and grand and the lyrics supported the epicness of the music. HF has the same simple lyrics played over power chords for 7 minutes with the only break being a demented solo and the distorted vocals out of nowhere. Caravan is immensely more epic than this in both sound and atmosphere. Deal with it.

QUOTE (Merely Space @ May 1 2012, 11:20 AM) Oh, I nearly forgot my most controversial opinion: Headlong Flight is NOT an epic. Well that's hardly an opinion. Headlong Flight is to an epic what Half the World is to a rock anthem.

QUOTE (GeddyRulz @ May 1 2012, 11:18 AM) QUOTE (Czarcasm @ May 1 2012, 10:22 AM) Confess your Rush related sins here, friends. I'll begin. I think that Hand over Fist is not only one of the stronger tracks from Presto, but also one of Rush's stronger tracks from the 1980's. I think that as an actual prog band, Rush is mediocre. They pale in comparison next to better prog bands such as Pink Floyd and ELP. That's why I like the 80's more than the 70's in Rush's catalogue. I think 90's Rush is superior to 70's Rush. I LOVE You Bet Your Life. Ah, That's MUCH better. And just to clarify, this is NOT a troll thread. These are genuine opinions I have about Rush. Your turn. Do you have any rush related sins? Vapor Trails is actually quite good. Grace Under Pressure is only mediocre. Not bad, but it lacks that one "awesome" song compelling me to spin it. It's just a collection of good-but-not-great songs, IMO. Were it not for the sublime "Available Light," I'd have the same opinion of Presto. Hold Your Fire is the best Rush album from the keyboard era, besting GUP and PoW. "The Pass" is over-rated, by both the band and its fans. Meh. Same with "Bravado." Snoozers! Other than "Dreamline," Roll the Bones is poop. (Actually, this one I know I'm not alone on.) I get into trouble with this opinion every time: While nobody in the band is "replaceable," and I certainly wouldn't advocate that somebody really BE replaced, I think Alex would be much easier to replace than Geddy or Neil. I believe there's easily a hundred equally good guitarists out there, but there's only one Neil Peart or Geddy Lee. [Forget it, people. Let it go this time; let me get away with it. It's just my opinion; I don't really WANT to replace Alex!] YES. Your comment about The Pass mirrors my own. And while I would never replace Alex, I can see where you're coming from, friend. Geddy and Neil are the strongest rhythm section in rock! Changing that would be a crime! Can you imagine if Dave Gilmour replaced Alex? Even for a tour?! I would give Rush all of my money.

QUOTE (Cyclonus X-1 @ May 1 2012, 11:09 AM) 2112 and A Farewell to Kings are in the bottom half of my Rush album rankings. I'd rather listen to Anagram (for Mongo) than La Villa Strangiato. Power Windows is my least favorite Rush album, and I hope the band does not play Middletown Dreams during the next (or any other upcoming) tour. No One at the Bridge is the part of Lamneth I like the least. The Color of Right is one of my fifteen favorite Rush songs. I like You Bet Your Life. Far Cry is among my least favorite S&A tunes. I liked la Villa a while back, now not so much. I have to agree with you. YBYL is Awesome also! The ending solo gives me chills and the chanting sections are just so different and so

QUOTE (rushgoober @ May 1 2012, 11:08 AM) 1. Their debut is one of their best albums. So many people criticize this album and I just don't get it - I understand that lyrics got much better after this album, and you can't compare Rutsey to Peart, but Rutsey still was pretty great, and the album just kicks so much ass that those deficiencies don't bother me in the slightest. 2. I can't stand I Think I'm Going Bald - the lyrics, while trying to make a point, are just too silly for Rush. The guys obviously have great senses of humor, but trying to stick that into a song just doesn't work for them (RTB rap anyone? ). Their music, especially in the 70's and 80's was so great, that trying to make a funny song just seems beneath them and will drag an album down. 3. Most of the time they do narration, it ruins a song for me. This is especially evident with The Necromancer (which would have been great otherwise) and Cygnus X-1 (which along with the screaming at the very end drags down the song immensely). The rap in RTB is awful for this reason as well. 4. Hold Your Fire is one of their best albums. This is the other album I love that so often gets thrown under the bus. Admittedly, the last two songs keep this album from true greatness, but otherwise the first 8 songs are excellent. 5. The keyboard era was incredible. A lot of people hate the keyboard era, but I loved it, and I've bitterly missed the keyboards in every subsequent Rush album. These albums were innovative and interesting, and the keys added a level of depth to the music that's been missing ever since they went back to basics. 6. Presto is a very mediocre album. The quality of the lyrics dropped dramatically from HYF to Presto - most people don't agree. The notable exceptions are The Pass and Chain Lightning, which are great, but the lyrics on the rest of the album go from average to pretty embarrassingly bad, especially some of the lyrics on War Paint, Scars and Superconductor. 7. Available Light is an EXTREMELY overrated song. I can't stand the falsetto he uses when he sings "in the available light" - major turn off. I just don't get the song. 8. RTB is simply not a good album. Dreamline is excellent, Bravado is ok and the instrumental is ok, but most of the rest of it awful. I thought some of the lyrics in Presto were embarrassingly bad, but here we have Face Up, Neurotica and You Bet Your Life, not to mention (again) the horrendous rap in RTB. The Big Wheel and Heresy are also pretty bad. 9. Ghost of a Chance is a depressing song. Some find it uplifting, but I don't. I DO believe in all those things he emphatically states he doesn't believe in in the song. 10. Counterparts was a comeback album after two major duds. A lot of people don't see those as duds, so they don't share this view. 11. T4E has no memorable songs at all. The album is just heavy and that's pretty much it for me. Resist is highly overrated and only started really getting attention when they did the acoustic version of it. And again there are songs with horribly embarrassing lyrics, perhaps more so than some of the songs on Presto and RTB, namely Test For Echo, Totem, Dog Years and Virtuality. What on earth was Neil thinking with some of these lyrics? 12. VT is a complete disaster in every conceivable way. There's the obvious mastering problem, but outside of that the songs just aren't good - the lyrics are depressing and the songs are just too structured and relentlessly intense. There's no guitar solos, the songs are too long, the album is too long, there's the annoying Geddy choirs, etc. The album should have been scrapped. The album is a true embarrassment to their legacy. I can't understand how anyone likes it. 13. S&A is actually a very good album, and again it's a HUGE comeback album. Many here seem to hate on it. The first three songs in particular are outstanding, and the instrumentals are by far their best post-1981. 14. The first three songs from CA aren't that good, with the exception of Headlong Flight which is very good, but not great. 15. The atheistic lyrics on Faithless and BU2B bother me. I admit it, they just do. He's entitled to his beliefs, or lack thereof, but it's hard for me to like a song that I so sincerely disagree with philosophically. I feel similarly about Ghost of a Chance. Many argue that songs like Freewill and other older songs have the same theme, but I disagree - previously his beliefs were done in a way much more open to interpretation, but in these songs they're very blatant and obvious. I don't think doing really polarizing songs like these were a good idea, and I'd feel exactly the same way if the songs were super religious on the other end of the spectrum. I just don't like the preachiness either way. Some people don't care (especially if they agree with the philosophy in these songs), and that's cool, but I do. 16. I don't give a shit about Neil's blog or books. I like to have it pointed out where he gives Rush related information and news, but the rest of it I see no point in personally. I sincerely feel that if he wasn't a member of this band beloved by so many, his books would have gone nowhere. 17. That said, Neil is NOT an asshole. I have no problem whatsoever with his behavior or choices in how he interacts (or doesn't as the case may be) with fans. That's completely his choice. I care only if he gives his all into his drumming and songwriting, and that he does, even if I don't always love everything he comes up with. 18. While I like the personalities and humor of the members of the band, I love this band pretty much 100% because of their music and lyrics. I also appreciate their integrity, but only in the way it affects the music, meaning they've always put out what they wanted to put out as opposed to just what they thought would be popular or successful. Of course this hasn't always worked in their favor when they've put out sub-standard albums, but you can't win 'em all! It's cool that they're nice guys and have avoided the controversy and problems that so many bands face, but I only care about that in terms of them being able to keep on making music. I agree with most of your points, Goob. I don't mind the atheistic lyrics, but making songs to show it off just seems overly offensive for no reason. I love Hold Your Fire, easily in my top 5 and your point about 80's rush and the synths is spot on. I like RTB for the music more than the lyrics, and I have to agree that the lyrics are sub par. But I love Available Light! It's uplifting and atmospheric while also being quite haunting. The falsetto adds to the feeling of the song beautifully. Anyway this isn't a thread for judgement Thanks for the reply man!

Confess your Rush related sins here, friends. I'll begin. I think that Hand over Fist is not only one of the stronger tracks from Presto, but also one of Rush's stronger tracks from the 1980's. I think that as an actual prog band, Rush is mediocre. They pale in comparison next to better prog bands such as Pink Floyd and ELP. That's why I like the 80's more than the 70's in Rush's catalogue. I think 90's Rush is superior to 70's Rush. I LOVE You Bet Your Life. Ah, That's MUCH better. And just to clarify, this is NOT a troll thread. These are genuine opinions I have about Rush. Your turn. Do you have any rush related sins?

QUOTE (NYM86 @ Apr 28 2012, 02:53 PM) iPod with some decent to high-end headphones, probably Skullcandys or Shures. >High Quality >Skull Candy DOHOHOHOHOHO For a second there I thought you were serious. 10/10, I would laugh again good sir.

CARAVAN A MILLION TIMES OVER

QUOTE (GangsterOnBoats @ Apr 28 2012, 01:25 PM) Technically speaking, I think the Rush from the first album could easily have performed a song like BU2B because of its simplistic 4 chord nature, but Headlong Flight is certainly more of a challenge. Heaviness wise, its a different story because it would have been near impossible to get music as heavy as theirs is now back then. Also, Have you noticed that taking any one Rush album out from the chronology makes their timeline of albums senseless? Its really amazing to see that each album truly is a stepping stone, for instance, how could you go from Hemispheres to Moving Pictures without Permanent Waves? Or how could you go from Roll the Bones to Test For Echo without Counterparts? The only one that I notice seems to be the weirdest jump Is from Grace to Power Windows. The sheer sadness and thematic-ness of Grace under pressure is a sharp contrast to the "happy" sounding Power Windows. You could easily remove P/G and it would still make sense with their chronology. The jump from Signals to Power Windows seems feasible, if there was a 3 year gap between albums. They just intensified the keyboards and got a new producer. The positive sound from Signals would just become stronger on PW. You could also remove Test For Echo, as strange as that sounds. Or even VT. Is the jump from Test for Echo to SnA that large? Both have a mixed collection of songs.(Some good some bad) And the albums also have a mix of styles on them. The rest you're 100% correct about though.

QUOTE (GeddyRulz @ Apr 21 2012, 06:53 AM) Wow! A big thanks to whoever first mentioned the www.youtube-mp3.org website! I've now converted three other YouTube clips to MP3 for my iPod, including two songs which iTunes doesn't have (and therefore neither did I, on mp3). This is bloody awesome! Glad you like it, man!

Guys seriously. Just convert the official youtube video to an mp3 file. Then just put the downloaded mp3 onto itunes. It has decent sound quaslity and isn't a podcast.

Don't worry about it man, at least half of the posters here have their hindsight obscured by nostalgia. (Many people on TRF think anything post 1982 isn't worth listening to.) Guys, come on. You don't have a mature discussion by saying shit like "My opinion>your opinion " I'm not really familiar with the entirety of 2112 to be honest, but I have to agree that HF is much heavier than anything Rush has released in the past 15 years. One thing that HF has over 2112 is the lyrical content. We can agree on that, can't we guys?"

QUOTE (Dscrapre @ Apr 19 2012, 10:35 AM) Sorry Bud. 2112 is immortal. Headlong flight is great. Definitely the best song since Counterparts (and maybe even further back then that) but, It's not even on the same planet as Natural Science, Hemispheres, La Villa, or 2112. That said, your opinion is valid. You can like HF more than 2112, but you will find very few people who will agree with you. I know I won't. >La Villa >Heavy Pick one.