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#41 Steve Smith

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 09:06 AM

The point is that the bass guitar does not always have to be melting the frets.

This band from my part of the world were just wonderful and the bass guitar player was superb but he just worked with the drummer and solid together to support the band so well.

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Posted 22 March 2017 - 09:01 AM

" I was quite happy with being told to play bass. It was 2 less strings,and being a lazy man, it was fantastic for me!" Gary Lee Weinrib aka Geddy Lee :geddy:

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Posted 22 March 2017 - 09:14 AM

Most bass players I know could care less about chops. They like the groove and the ability to lock in with the drummer. Guys like billy Sheehan , with his solos, are chuckled at. Respected, sure. But no one needs to play the bass like that.

Geddy is a good balance. Melodic lines with just enough chops.

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Posted 22 March 2017 - 10:13 AM

View PostXanadoood, on 22 March 2017 - 09:14 AM, said:

Most bass players I know could care less about chops. They like the groove and the ability to lock in with the drummer. Guys like billy Sheehan , with his solos, are chuckled at. Respected, sure. But no one needs to play the bass like that.

Geddy is a good balance. Melodic lines with just enough chops.

Billy Sheehan does nothing for me at all.

If I want to listen to mega bass virtuoso I'd pick John Myung all day. At least he has control and knows what fits a song when needed:


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Posted 22 March 2017 - 01:03 PM

View PostXanadoood, on 22 March 2017 - 09:14 AM, said:

Most bass players I know could care less about chops. They like the groove and the ability to lock in with the drummer. Guys like billy Sheehan , with his solos, are chuckled at. Respected, sure. But no one needs to play the bass like that.

Geddy is a good balance. Melodic lines with just enough chops.

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View PostXanadoood, on 22 March 2017 - 09:14 AM, said:

Most bass players I know could care less about chops. They like the groove and the ability to lock in with the drummer. Guys like billy Sheehan , with his solos, are chuckled at. Respected, sure. But no one needs to play the bass like that.

Geddy is a good balance. Melodic lines with just enough chops.

Billy Sheehan does nothing for me at all.

If I want to listen to mega bass virtuoso I'd pick John Myung all day. At least he has control and knows what fits a song when needed:



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Posted 22 March 2017 - 04:36 PM

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Yes, but probably harder to master.

I think the physical layout of a 6 string electric is harder to play, simply because the strings are much closer together and pickups tend to reveal all your mistakes much easier.  Mastering a 6 string at the level proficient enough to be considered 'master' is certainly not for slouches.
Indeed not. Maybe it's because of where my interest lies, but it seems there are far more guitar masters (the phrase "a dime a dozen" comes to mind) than bass masters.

It's definitely more popular, but I was speaking purely from a mechanics point of view.  Guitar and what it takes to play it at that level IMO is more difficult due to mechanical challenges (assuming finger / hand size not being factored).

I think playing to a high standard they are both different disciplines. As a reasonably accomplished guitar player I would not argue with you, but I would also say that it would take me a long time and a lot of practise to play the bass to the same standard.

The six string guitar is such an idio syncratic instrument. The tuning for a start does not follow any traditional logic. Why tune it in 5th's then tune the 5th string as a 4th?

That is why it is almost impossible to learn to play music on guitar by the traditional musical staves.

That is why I preferred to learn piano to study musical theory at college.

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Posted 22 March 2017 - 06:42 PM

View PostXanadoood, on 22 March 2017 - 09:14 AM, said:

Most bass players I know could care less about chops. They like the groove and the ability to lock in with the drummer. Guys like billy Sheehan , with his solos, are chuckled at. Respected, sure. But no one needs to play the bass like that.

Geddy is a good balance. Melodic lines with just enough chops.

Billy Sheehan is considered to be a wanker. In this sense it means playing bass like a guitar. Too many worthless notes just trying to look cool.

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Posted 22 March 2017 - 06:52 PM

View PostEagleMoon, on 22 March 2017 - 06:42 PM, said:

View PostXanadoood, on 22 March 2017 - 09:14 AM, said:

Most bass players I know could care less about chops. They like the groove and the ability to lock in with the drummer. Guys like billy Sheehan , with his solos, are chuckled at. Respected, sure. But no one needs to play the bass like that.

Geddy is a good balance. Melodic lines with just enough chops.

Billy Sheehan is considered to be a wanker. In this sense it means playing bass like a guitar. Too many worthless notes just trying to look cool.

Eagle I think that is a bit unfair

Billy Sheehan is a great player. He just did his own thing.

Why the f**k should a bass player not use the right hand finger taping technique playing like a guitarist?

The technique is not exclusive to 6 string you know?

So many different styles and techniques on the bass

Eddie Van Halen adapted the "slap bass" technique to work on guitar.

It is all just creativity and invention Eagle

My favourite all time bass guitar player is Jaco Pastorius and he never gave a shit about what was supposed to be "normal"

He did incredible stuff including harmonics on the bass which had not been tried before XXXXXX

https://youtu.be/Ae0nwSv6cTU

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Posted 22 March 2017 - 07:04 PM

View PostSteve Smith, on 22 March 2017 - 04:36 PM, said:

View Poststoopid, on 15 March 2017 - 08:00 PM, said:

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View PostJARG, on 15 March 2017 - 02:33 PM, said:

Yes, but probably harder to master.

I think the physical layout of a 6 string electric is harder to play, simply because the strings are much closer together and pickups tend to reveal all your mistakes much easier.  Mastering a 6 string at the level proficient enough to be considered 'master' is certainly not for slouches.
Indeed not. Maybe it's because of where my interest lies, but it seems there are far more guitar masters (the phrase "a dime a dozen" comes to mind) than bass masters.

It's definitely more popular, but I was speaking purely from a mechanics point of view.  Guitar and what it takes to play it at that level IMO is more difficult due to mechanical challenges (assuming finger / hand size not being factored).

I think playing to a high standard they are both different disciplines. As a reasonably accomplished guitar player I would not argue with you, but I would also say that it would take me a long time and a lot of practise to play the bass to the same standard.

The six string guitar is such an idio syncratic instrument. The tuning for a start does not follow any traditional logic. Why tune it in 5th's then tune the 5th string as a 4th?

That is why it is almost impossible to learn to play music on guitar by the traditional musical staves.

That is why I preferred to learn piano to study musical theory at college.

Interesting point. My brother and his son both play keys, and they really don't " get" the guitar. My brother has said all guitar players play in the key of E... haha

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Posted 22 March 2017 - 07:15 PM

View PostXanadoood, on 22 March 2017 - 07:04 PM, said:

View PostSteve Smith, on 22 March 2017 - 04:36 PM, said:

View Poststoopid, on 15 March 2017 - 08:00 PM, said:

View PostJARG, on 15 March 2017 - 07:22 PM, said:

View Poststoopid, on 15 March 2017 - 02:45 PM, said:

View PostJARG, on 15 March 2017 - 02:33 PM, said:

Yes, but probably harder to master.

I think the physical layout of a 6 string electric is harder to play, simply because the strings are much closer together and pickups tend to reveal all your mistakes much easier.  Mastering a 6 string at the level proficient enough to be considered 'master' is certainly not for slouches.
Indeed not. Maybe it's because of where my interest lies, but it seems there are far more guitar masters (the phrase "a dime a dozen" comes to mind) than bass masters.

It's definitely more popular, but I was speaking purely from a mechanics point of view.  Guitar and what it takes to play it at that level IMO is more difficult due to mechanical challenges (assuming finger / hand size not being factored).

I think playing to a high standard they are both different disciplines. As a reasonably accomplished guitar player I would not argue with you, but I would also say that it would take me a long time and a lot of practise to play the bass to the same standard.

The six string guitar is such an idio syncratic instrument. The tuning for a start does not follow any traditional logic. Why tune it in 5th's then tune the 5th string as a 4th?

That is why it is almost impossible to learn to play music on guitar by the traditional musical staves.

That is why I preferred to learn piano to study musical theory at college.

Interesting point. My brother and his son both play keys, and they really don't " get" the guitar. My brother has said all guitar players play in the key of E... haha

Brian May once said that working with Freddie made him so much better on guitar because he had to learn to play in all those piano keys that Freddie wrote in that were a complete f***ing bitch on guitar. Keys like A flat, E flat and D flat which are just a beast!!!! Brian never used a capo or de-tuned, he just had to learn the fretboard better XXXXXXX

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Posted 22 March 2017 - 09:05 PM

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View PostXanadoood, on 22 March 2017 - 09:14 AM, said:

Most bass players I know could care less about chops. They like the groove and the ability to lock in with the drummer. Guys like billy Sheehan , with his solos, are chuckled at. Respected, sure. But no one needs to play the bass like that.

Geddy is a good balance. Melodic lines with just enough chops.

Billy Sheehan is considered to be a wanker. In this sense it means playing bass like a guitar. Too many worthless notes just trying to look cool.

Eagle I think that is a bit unfair

Billy Sheehan is a great player. He just did his own thing.

Why the f**k should a bass player not use the right hand finger taping technique playing like a guitarist?

The technique is not exclusive to 6 string you know?

So many different styles and techniques on the bass

Eddie Van Halen adapted the "slap bass" technique to work on guitar.

It is all just creativity and invention Eagle

My favourite all time bass guitar player is Jaco Pastorius and he never gave a shit about what was supposed to be "normal"

He did incredible stuff including harmonics on the bass which had not been tried before XXXXXX

https://youtu.be/Ae0nwSv6cTU

I didn't say anything about  being normal, that's not exactly what I mean. I mean he plays bass like a guitar. Not just the tapping. Comparing Jaco to him is like comparing a 747 to a prop plane. There is creative playing and then there is showing off with not a whole lot of talent behind it.

Edited by EagleMoon, 22 March 2017 - 09:06 PM.


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Posted 23 March 2017 - 06:04 AM

Plus Stu Hamm does a shitload of bass tapping and nobody I know thinks he's a bass douche :D

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Posted 23 March 2017 - 08:33 PM

View PostXanadoood, on 22 March 2017 - 07:04 PM, said:

View PostSteve Smith, on 22 March 2017 - 04:36 PM, said:

View Poststoopid, on 15 March 2017 - 08:00 PM, said:

View PostJARG, on 15 March 2017 - 07:22 PM, said:

View Poststoopid, on 15 March 2017 - 02:45 PM, said:

View PostJARG, on 15 March 2017 - 02:33 PM, said:

Yes, but probably harder to master.

I think the physical layout of a 6 string electric is harder to play, simply because the strings are much closer together and pickups tend to reveal all your mistakes much easier.  Mastering a 6 string at the level proficient enough to be considered 'master' is certainly not for slouches.
Indeed not. Maybe it's because of where my interest lies, but it seems there are far more guitar masters (the phrase "a dime a dozen" comes to mind) than bass masters.

It's definitely more popular, but I was speaking purely from a mechanics point of view.  Guitar and what it takes to play it at that level IMO is more difficult due to mechanical challenges (assuming finger / hand size not being factored).

I think playing to a high standard they are both different disciplines. As a reasonably accomplished guitar player I would not argue with you, but I would also say that it would take me a long time and a lot of practise to play the bass to the same standard.

The six string guitar is such an idio syncratic instrument. The tuning for a start does not follow any traditional logic. Why tune it in 5th's then tune the 5th string as a 4th?

That is why it is almost impossible to learn to play music on guitar by the traditional musical staves.

That is why I preferred to learn piano to study musical theory at college.

Interesting point. My brother and his son both play keys, and they really don't " get" the guitar. My brother has said all guitar players play in the key of E... haha
That's funny. I'm guessing most of it is A, D, or E.  Even the stuff that's in Eb is just because they tuned down a half step and it's played as if it was in E.

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Posted 23 March 2017 - 11:27 PM

View PostDel_Duio, on 23 March 2017 - 06:04 AM, said:

Plus Stu Hamm does a shitload of bass tapping and nobody I know thinks he's a bass douche :D

Right. Because he does it tastefully and he is a great pocket player as well.

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Posted 24 March 2017 - 12:55 PM

View PostEagleMoon, on 22 March 2017 - 09:05 PM, said:

View PostSteve Smith, on 22 March 2017 - 06:52 PM, said:

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Most bass players I know could care less about chops. They like the groove and the ability to lock in with the drummer. Guys like billy Sheehan , with his solos, are chuckled at. Respected, sure. But no one needs to play the bass like that.

Geddy is a good balance. Melodic lines with just enough chops.

Billy Sheehan is considered to be a wanker. In this sense it means playing bass like a guitar. Too many worthless notes just trying to look cool.

Eagle I think that is a bit unfair

Billy Sheehan is a great player. He just did his own thing.

Why the f**k should a bass player not use the right hand finger taping technique playing like a guitarist?

The technique is not exclusive to 6 string you know?

So many different styles and techniques on the bass

Eddie Van Halen adapted the "slap bass" technique to work on guitar.

It is all just creativity and invention Eagle

My favourite all time bass guitar player is Jaco Pastorius and he never gave a shit about what was supposed to be "normal"

He did incredible stuff including harmonics on the bass which had not been tried before XXXXXX

https://youtu.be/Ae0nwSv6cTU

I didn't say anything about  being normal, that's not exactly what I mean. I mean he plays bass like a guitar. Not just the tapping. Comparing Jaco to him is like comparing a 747 to a prop plane. There is creative playing and then there is showing off with not a whole lot of talent behind it.

Well Eagle you certainly feel strongly about this subject I will grant you that. If I am honest then I would have to agree with you with some of the points you made.

I was never a fan of Sheehan really but to just say he is no good is being a bit unfair IMHO

I just don't think that a musician should be compelled to always have to follow the set "rules", otherwise we would never have any innovation.

Jimi Hendrix broke every single rule and he was a genius and he set the standard for other rock players to follow.

I do respect your opinion although I don't necessarily agree with it.

Mark King from Level 42 was once regarded as the best bass player in the world. I liked the band and I liked him but there are many who say that he took the slap technique too much to extremes and it was overkill

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Posted 24 March 2017 - 05:01 PM

Mark King is amazing.  What he does fits in the music and style and doesn't seem like showboating at all.  Love his work.

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Posted 24 March 2017 - 05:11 PM

You have put the time in no matter what you do, just remember it's a journey and have fun along the way. The guitar has chords to learn, but it is easier to play physically where as a bass has heavier strings but generally you are only playing one string at a time. Try both and see which one you like better.

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Posted 24 March 2017 - 05:13 PM

View PostAncient Ways, on 24 March 2017 - 05:01 PM, said:

Mark King is amazing.  What he does fits in the music and style and doesn't seem like showboating at all.  Love his work.

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Posted 24 March 2017 - 05:44 PM

bloody stupid thread

Come up with something better

Are eggs better than bacon???

the bass guitar has the same four notes as the six string, just an octave lower

E A D G

It is not rocket science




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