Gilbertk Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 (edited) At first I thought it was the Watchmaker, but after reading the lyrics.. could it be the Anarchist? Is the story Hero vs Anarchist and the Watchmaker is simply a figure in the world that actually plays no part in the story? I'm not 100% (or even 10%) clear on the story.. I can't wait for the book. Edited June 7, 2012 by Gilbertk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake2112 Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 My only problem is it seems Caravan through Carnies is one story of Hero vs Anarchist and then from Halo Effect onward it goes on a completely different tangent. So no, I don't think the Watchmaker has any impact on the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
losingit2k Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 If you are refering to the voice at the end of two of the songs which asks " What do you lack?" that's the voice of the Peddlar! i The Peddlar ii The Peddlar If not, I don't know what you are refering too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gedneil Alpeart Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 That low deep voice like the RTB rap voice in the middle of HF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gompers Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 For a second, I thought this was related to the TV show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jomboni Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 I don't know about the deep voice in HF, but I think the "telephone voice" (as one reviewer called it) might be an effect that's being used when the song switches the point of view away from the main character. i.e. the bluesy part in Clockwork Angels might be either the Watchmaker... or the angels? And in the Anarchist the "I lack their smiles and their diamonds" part is obviously the point of view of the Anarchist. I could be totally off about that! I just think the plotline jumps around so much that it can't all be representing one person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Del_Duio Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 QUOTE (Jomboni @ Jun 7 2012, 12:14 PM) I don't know about the deep voice in HF, but I think the "telephone voice" (as one reviewer called it) might be an effect that's being used when the song switches the point of view away from the main character. That's a good theory, like how Ged switches from singing (hero) to wailing (Priests) in 2112. Only this time it's as easy as using a megaphone (?) or turning on a mic effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly D Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Another way this album is somewhat like Tommy or Quadrophenia- different songs about different character with many voices and a vague plot. . . but I'm still baffled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilbertk Posted June 7, 2012 Author Share Posted June 7, 2012 QUOTE (losingit2k @ Jun 7 2012, 11:41 AM) If you are refering to the voice at the end of two of the songs which asks " What do you lack?" that's the voice of the Peddlar! i The Peddlar ii The Peddlar If not, I don't know what you are refering too. "The days were dark And the nights we bright.. Hey man... I would never trade tomorrow for today Yeahhhh....." *ENTER SNARE SOLO* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilbertk Posted June 7, 2012 Author Share Posted June 7, 2012 QUOTE (Kelly D @ Jun 7 2012, 12:51 PM) Another way this album is somewhat like Tommy or Quadrophenia- different songs about different character with many voices and a vague plot. . . but I'm still baffled Exactly. I'm glad they tried to make the album in a way that lets the individual songs breathe but.. a LITTLE context apart from the novel would have been nice. Oh well, I guess we'll just have to wait for the book to fully understand Oh and thanks, now I've got 'The Real Me' stuck in my head! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangster of Goats Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 (edited) I'm almost convinced "what do you lack?" is Neil. (As in, Neil provided the voice.) Or maybe I read that somewhere? Edited June 7, 2012 by Bangster of Goats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly D Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 QUOTE (Gilbertk @ Jun 7 2012, 07:39 PM) Oh and thanks, now I've got 'The Real Me' stuck in my head! Not the worst thing in the world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beherit Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 narrator from the necromancer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DistantEarlyRushFan Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 QUOTE (beherit @ Jun 7 2012, 08:40 PM)narrator from the necromancer? \m/ \m/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dscrapre Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 The deep voice in HF is pretty obviously Fredrich Gruber. I'm still not sure what the deal with the megaphone is. I think it's the Watchmaker during the title track and the Anarchist during The Anarchist. Like someone else said, it might be a device to switch perspective away from the hero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeaveMyThingAlone Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 QUOTE (Dscrapre @ Jun 7 2012, 09:23 PM) The deep voice in HF is pretty obviously Fredrich Gruber. No, it's Alex. Freddie Gruber had already passed when they recorded Headlong Flight so he didn't make a cameo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dscrapre Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 QUOTE (LeaveMyThingAlone @ Jun 7 2012, 08:28 PM) QUOTE (Dscrapre @ Jun 7 2012, 09:23 PM) The deep voice in HF is pretty obviously Fredrich Gruber. No, it's Alex. Freddie Gruber had already passed when they recorded Headlong Flight so he didn't make a cameo No, I mean the character "Fredrich Gruber". He's mentioned in the HF song description. He's a tribute to Freddie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly D Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 QUOTE (Dscrapre @ Jun 7 2012, 10:23 PM) The deep voice in HF is pretty obviously Fredrich Gruber. I'm still not sure what the deal with the megaphone is. I think it's the Watchmaker during the title track and the Anarchist during The Anarchist. Like someone else said, it might be a device to switch perspective away from the hero. Do you think Fredrich Gruber is to this protagonist as Pangloss is to Candide? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilbertk Posted June 8, 2012 Author Share Posted June 8, 2012 QUOTE (Kelly D @ Jun 7 2012, 08:17 PM) QUOTE (Gilbertk @ Jun 7 2012, 07:39 PM) Oh and thanks, now I've got 'The Real Me' stuck in my head! Not the worst thing in the world Hence the "thanks"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilbertk Posted June 8, 2012 Author Share Posted June 8, 2012 QUOTE (LeaveMyThingAlone @ Jun 7 2012, 09:28 PM) QUOTE (Dscrapre @ Jun 7 2012, 09:23 PM) The deep voice in HF is pretty obviously Fredrich Gruber. No, it's Alex. Freddie Gruber had already passed when they recorded Headlong Flight so he didn't make a cameo In the liner notes, a character named Fredrich Gruber is mentioned. QUOTE ( Neil Peart @ CA) THINKING BACK OVER MY LIFE, AND TELLING STORIES ABOUT MY "GREAT ADVENTURES" - they didn't always feel that grand at the time. But on balance, I wouldn't change anything. In the words of one of our great alchemists, Friedrich Gruber, "I wish I could do it all again." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dscrapre Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Kelly D @ Jun 8 2012, 06:42 AM) QUOTE (Dscrapre @ Jun 7 2012, 10:23 PM) The deep voice in HF is pretty obviously Fredrich Gruber. I'm still not sure what the deal with the megaphone is. I think it's the Watchmaker during the title track and the Anarchist during The Anarchist. Like someone else said, it might be a device to switch perspective away from the hero. Do you think Fredrich Gruber is to this protagonist as Pangloss is to Candide? You assume that I'm capable of reading books. Gruber is a mentor to the hero, which makes sense considering that the real-life Freddie Gruber was something of a mentor to Neil. There seem to be many parallels between Candide and CA. That's rush for ya', getting me all fired up about literature. Edited June 8, 2012 by Dscrapre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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